Re: # 126Masadi

That is the point i have been trying to explain in my debate with Gill that "good" is not a logical abstraction by any means even if logic were relevant here on these issues.
Omnipotence is "logical abstraction" regardless of the relevance (or even validity) of logic, for omnipotence has absolute definition for every one regardless of one’s own inclination and temperament.

""Good" and "evil" on the other hand are relative as Masadi has mentioned. Gill has been calling them "attributes" however; technically they don’t qualify to be attributes. .they are the ’MODES’ of SUBSTANCE because they have derivative value. They (modes) are derived from the attributes and can be derived in infinite numbers from attributes. Religion has mentioned these ’MODES and attributes in countable quantity. Though at the same time Quran says that ""there is nothing like HIM". these modes and attributes are only to make divine reality for humans.

So debate of contradiction is meaningless on more grounds than one. I challenge anybody here to show me that these two statements..;

God is omnipotent
God is good
are contradictory on the ground of the existence of evil in the world. Both statements have different predicate therefore any debate regarding contradiction is an exercise in futility.

Boy... how do i tell you guys that these are obvious and basic things and every serious student of philosophy knows that....

the problem of evil within the framework of religion arises because of ignoring the fact that religion talks about two universes of discourse, one material or temporary world and other hereafter? Now whether hereafter actually exits or not, you have to take it into account if you are analyzing the "internal coherence" and consistency of religion, for if you claim religious assertion to be contradictory you will have to show it by taking all concepts of religion into account and only than can you apply Logic.

According to the Quran "latter is always better than the former" so for Quran world is temporary and ’evil’ is nothing but only a "possibility". In this way "death" which looks an evil to agnostic mind, is the way to find eternal peace. So the the question of evil becomes meaningless even in ‘’non-logical’’ way.