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Graphs on Hindu-Muslim education statistics from the 2001 Census of India
These arose from a past discussion with nycoolest, cliftonbridge and kalyan and were long overdue for ilogging for future reference. The images may not post in which case this ilog will be deleted.
1. Indian Muslim-Pakistani education level demographic comparison in absolute numbers
Total Pakistani college graduates and above = 2331245 (2.33 million)out of 132 million pop (1998 census)
Total Indian Muslims college graduates and above = 2387681 (2.38 million) out of 138 million pop(2001 census)
Pakistan Census 1998
http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/fbs/publications/
Yea r%20Book%202005/population/16.22.pdf
India Census 2001
http://www.censusindia.net/results/C.Series/C.series.p df/C9.India.pdf
2. Age-wise distributon in absolute numbers of Indian Muslims at various educational levels:
3. Same as Graph 2 but annotated with likely year of school enrollment:
4.Age-wise distribution as percentage of total population in that age group, annotated with likely year of school enrollment:
5.Ratio of Muslim,Hindu grads to total pop. at different ages
6.Ratio of Muslim,Hindu ratios of grads to total pop. at different ages
Ratio of Muslim,Hindu grads at different ages
Ratio of Muslim,Hindu total pop. at different ages
7.Ratio of Muslims to Hindus at various educational levels
Ratio of Muslims to Hindus at various educational levels weighted with ratio of Muslim:Hindu pop
Comments:
a.The 20-24, 25-29, 30-34, 35-59 sum total pop. numbers are averaged by number of years in the interval. For 60+ I averaged by 20 (60-79).
b.Comment on x axis:
The point marked 20 is 20-24 age group
25 is 25-29
30 is 30-24
35 is 35-59
60 is 60 and above
61 is undefined
c. The census took place in February 2001. I assumed an child of age 10 in Feb 2001 was born between Feb 1990- Feb 1991 so most likely got enrolled in 1996. But 1997 could be more likely depending on the cut off date in every state/school.
These graphs show
1. Increase in primary education level is in the lower age groups - ie a result of increased enrollment as kalyan said.
2. The children who contributed to increased enrollment hadn’t reached college age by February 2001 when the 2001 census enumeration took place.
3. Before the increased enrollment, a steady proportion of students passed on to the next level of education, there is no abrupt disparity between levels indicating overt discrimination as cliftonbridge implied.
There are a couple of disturbing things also which I’ll point out.
4. The 1994-entrants apparently had highest number of primary school educated in absolute numbers
5. The 1993-entrants apparently had the highest percentage of primary school educated
6. Babri Masjid was demolished in Dec 1992.
7. Numbers and percentages of primary level educated seems to have fallen off since, percentage wise and in absolute numbers but it could also be that in Feb 2001, a significant proportion of 10 and 11 year olds hadn’t yet graduated from primary school.
8. Dunno what’s up with year 1989 entrants. I checked the raw numbers which do say that more children completed secondary than dropped out before secondary.
In conclusion (graphs 1-4), kalyan seems to be right that one cannot project the higher number of primary school educate to lower number of college graduates as discrimination, rather it is time lag, ie, the higher number of primary school educated haven't reached college age yet. kalyan's thesis can be verified in the next census if they do it religion-wise again.
Conclusions from graphs 5-7:
9.The %ge of Muslims going to college is approx half the %age of Hindus going to college
10.At primary level, equal proportions of Hindus and Muslims finish, however the Muslim:Hindu ratio gets worse with increasing educational level until the graduate and above level where the %age of Muslims is half the %age of Hindus.
11.There appears to be no abrupt change across various ages nor from one educational level to the next. But it is well to remember that these are numbers averaged over 100-800 million pop. approx.
Source of numbers :
http://www.censusindia.net/results/C_Series/C_series_pdf/ C9_India.pdf
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Re: # 110
And to make an amendment... according to Sadna's corrected figures... Pakistani percentage of graduates (inclusive of all communities) was absolutely higher in 1998 ... than Indian Muslim percentage of graduates in 2001.
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#110 Posted by MantoLives on August 18, 2007 11:15:16 pm
Sadna..
If that were true, why would you try and switch numbers cleverly in your ilog?
And what is this emphasis on 97% majority when you are comparing all Pakistanis to Indian Muslims?
For one thing Pakistanis (and that 100% population since the number is inclusive of Non-muslims) who started from scratch and had a much lower literacy rate than Indian Muslims in 1947 have done well to CROSS the number of Indian Muslim graduates... or maybe Indian Muslims have done really badly.
Secondly why don't you produce some job placement numbers as well?
So in other words not only is the Pakistani number of graduates(inclusive of all communities) absolutely higher than the Indian Muslim number... but when it comes to job placement, per capital income etc there is no comparison. You would not even attempt to graph that because you are a liar without shame.
Now coming to hyet given that Pakistan's 160 million population has 50 million Cell phone users.... and India's 1.1 billion have 100 million cell phone users... could it be deduced that atleast double (if not more) the number of Pakistani Muslims can afford a cell phone than say Indian Muslims. What does that show you?
By correcting your lie ... you've just forfeited an argument that you had carefuly concocted for the fools who are willing to believe you.
Why don't you tell them the truth... not only are there more graduates to population in Pakistan as opposed to the Indian Muslim population... but while the growth of graduates in the Indian Muslim population has stagnated... Pakistani graduates have grown rapidly.
Now atleast have some shame and don't talk about 9 44. Do you really think anyone is going to accept that just because you posted the actual figures inconspiciously somehwere on the website... you didn't actually distort this figure?
2.38 million graduates in a population of 138 million Indian Muslims constitutes 1.72% in 2001 (by which time PAKISTANI graduates would have increased considerably)
Meanwhile ... when you invert it -as you shamelessly tried to do Indian Muslims' graduates would far exceed Pakistani graduates.
The very fact that entire Pakistani population produced more graduates than Indian Muslim population by 1998-2001 ... when the Indian Muslim population produced many times more graduates in 1947.... shows how far Pakistan has come.
Thus as usual your attempt was a shameless one.
Can you explain what exactly was it that you were cutting and pasting.
Total Pakistani college graduates and above = 2331245 (2.33 million)out of 132 million pop (1998 census)
Total Indian Muslims college graduates and above = 2387681 (2.38 million) out of 138 million pop(2001 census)
Sadna just edited her ilog to read:
"These arose from a past discussion with nycoolest, cliftonbridge and kalyan and were long overdue for ilogging for future reference. The images may not post in which case this ilog will be deleted"
The real reason you are deleting this is because you were caught fudging the population numbers. Remember Pakistani population in 1998 was at 132 Million but you have reported it as 138... where as Indian Muslim population was 138 in
2001 ... and you've reprted it as 132.
Very clever... and the cop out even more so.
Have some shame. Just apologise for being a liar.
Use first link.
Don't you dare change this ... without an apology.
She has cleverly placed Pakistan's population number at 138 Million ....when it was 132 Million in 1998. What a loser. Here is the figure http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/demographic_indicators98/demograp hic_indicators.html
And then she claims the Indian Muslim population was 132 million when infact in 2001 it was 138 million.
Have you no shame woman? Please edit the above and then re-graph.
ere goes Sadna with her age old propaganda that has been refuted several times.
Forget that you are comparing 2001 and 1998 or 138 million Indian Muslims to 132 million Pakistanis (inclusive of all religious communities)... forget that the college graduates amongst Indian Muslims were manifold in 1947 ... whereas Muslims in Pakistan region were still stuck in agriculture and soldiery... Forget that HP showed that the criterion used by the Indians for literacy was inferior to Pakistan's.... these are all inconvenient facts that blow a million holes in Sadna's ignorant arguments.
Lets just consider for a second that yes Indian Muslims are producing just as many graduates as Pakistanis (inclusive of all communities).... one wonders what then is the percentage of Indian Muslims employed in commerce, medicine, law, IT, the armed forces etc? We have a conclusive figure vis a vis the Indian Army ... 14% Muslims (that too according to the government census) with less than 2% representation. This trend follows in more or less all fields.
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