Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

To Mr. goonga,

Would you please tell me which law you are talking about that we are non-Muslims?

If you are talking about the so called Pakistani 1974 law, which was passed by the national assembly of Pakistan, then you should remember that national assembly was declared as non-islamic assembly by the next President Mr. Zia-ul-Haq, as it consisted of people who drink wine, etc.

So, this so called Islamic-national Assembly (actually non-islamic assembly according to Mr. Zia ul Haq, president of Pakistan), which consisted of people who drink wine, etc, does not have the right to declare anyone muslim or non-muslim.

We are MUSLIM, and we do not care what anyone else think about us.

I am soryy but I do not care if you think me a man of God or not. It simply does not matter, does it?

You still have to quote any single example around the globe, where Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was mentioned like you have mentioned?

abd,

I wont call your name in complete as you are not man of God, atleast by law.

I was just trying to ask you that I am not jealous from your progressing community, I am just asking to spare it to be called Muslim, Qadiyani or Mirzai is good, its distinct and different as you are different in all aspects from main stream muslims.
As far as your so called prophet is concered, its old story that people know about them and your jamaat and your playing 'Yes Sir' here. My friends and class fellows were mirzai and I know very well and they are your elites.
I was just curious that is there any thought proveoked yet to be different due to islamic-terrorism saga around the globe but it seems that your jamaat is still confident and hoping to hijack Islam, still?

Bit Earlier: it was
misguided terrorist muslim community = [main stream/conservative] msulims

Mr. Mureed,

If it hurt you, my apologies but from the language you used for your parents, what anyone can guess from that?

Anyway, as I have said earlier you should not burn your blood being Jealous to Jamaat Ahmadiyya's progress.

Abuabdullah the spokes person of Jamaat Ahmadiyya

In heat of the moment or as slip of tonque you showed your true character when you wrote to me that I didn't know who my father was and leadership of Jamaat Ahmadiyya will not even spit on my face .

It is true that Mirza sahib wrote extensively about revival of Islam and as a learned person he always benefitted from Quran and Knowledge of previous Islamic scholars ..

But people smugglers and black mailers like you who eye European women during Summer Jalsas or gatherings of London have nothing to do with Islam or revival of Islam.

You clever ones and fabricators are just selling the name of Islam.

to remix:
would you please give a little more details to prove your claim?

both are thought to be infidel terrorists

To remix:

Like what kind of Shiite dilemmas?

To goonga:

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community firmly believes in and acts upon the Qur'anic teaching: "There is no compulsion in religion." (2:257) It strongly rejects violence and terrorism in any form and for any reason. In addition, it does not believe that Islam was spread or will be spread by sword, as other mainstream Muslims do, so it is not regarded as terrorist Muslim community. Can you quote any single example around the globe, where Ahmadiyya Muslim Community was mentioned like you have mentioned?

they too are suffering from certain dilemmas like shiites.

yaar your community is very good and respectable law abiding citizens then why you dont earn a brand new graceful identity and why carrying burden of misguided terrorist muslim community's tag?

To MatloobZaman:

You should make it clear that there are two Jesus or one Jesus with two definitions, anyway,

1- The Jesus Alaihssalam, Prophet of Bani Israel
2- The Jesus, Son of God.

In Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, Masih and Mahdi Maud Alaihssalam's writings, which you quoted here, he mentioned the Jesus Son of God, who does not exist except in the Christian imagination or the writings of people like you. Do you believe in this Jesus, Son of God????????????

The reason why Hadrat Mirza Sahib used this language against this imaginary Son of God is because the Christians of his time, in particular, were insulting Hadrat Muhammad PBUH and his companions. So Hadrat Mirza sahib explained the character of so called Son of God, FROM THE BOOKS OF CHRISTIANS.

For the sake of justice, you should not quote Hadrat Mirza Sahib’s writing out of context.

Counter point
Mirza Ghulam's Tirade against Jesus Christ(pbuh)
(In light of his own Writings)

Among his other claims, Mirza Ghulam also stated to be the Promised Messiah of the revelations and superior to Jesus(pbuh), the son of Mary(RA), in every aspect. However, when he became aware of the authentic teachings (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet Muhammad(SAW) confirming the fact that Jesus(pbuh) will descend before the end of this world, he had to resort to deception and treachery to misguide and impress the uninformed.

Naturally, all learned Muslims and Christians were disgusted that a person of such a questionable character would even dare to make such an outrageous claim. They could not reconcile Mirza's many faults with the perfection of the Messiah and refused to pay any attention to his claims. But, the claim to being the Messiah was an integral part of Mirza's satanic scheme to promote himself to prophethood; hence, he insisted in propagating his lies. Outraged Christians demanded that he perform miracles as Jesus(pbuh) had done and ridiculed him when he was unable to do so.

In return, Mirza resorted to making blasphemous statements about Jesus(pbuh), one of the greatest Prophets. Since Mirza was neither willing to correct his own moral and ethical flaws nor able to perform miracles, he could not have ever hoped to raise his own status to that of Jesus(pbuh) - whom he viewed as his competitor to messiahship. Instead, Mirza resorted to making desperate and slanderous remarks in an attempt to try to lower the status of Jesus(pbuh) to his own level!

Listed are some of the better known writings of Mirza Ghulam in this regard. I apologize, in advance, for any offense you might find at these writings - and hope that Allah(SWT) will forgive for having reproduced these blasphemous statements. Please be assured that no Muslim would hold these same beliefs.

Mirza Insults the Family of Jesus(pbuh)

* "Jesus's three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood Jesus came into existence."(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda; Anjam-i-Atham, P. 9, appendix)
* "You may have tried to find a solution to my claims about the Messiah's parental and maternal grandmothers. I am tired of thinking. Up to now, no nice solution has occurred to me. What a glorious God is HE whose paternal and maternal grandmothers are of such repute?"(Nur-ul-Quran, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 394; Nur-ul-Quran, Vol. 2, P. 45)
* "Islam, unlike Christianity, does not teach us that God was born of a woman - and was fed by sucking blood from the womb of his mother for nine months - the blood which had the qualities of prostitutes like the daughters of Saba, Tamar, and Rabah." (Anjam-e-Athum, P. 41)
* "Jesus had an inclination for prostitutes perhaps due to his ancestral relationship with them..."(Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)

Mirza Insults Mary(RA)

* "Mary's eminence is such that she put off her marriage for a long time, but after constant pressure of the community leaders, and due to her pregnancy, she accepted to get married. However, people raise objection about how she could have been married while pregnant, that being against the teachings of the Torah. People also object to Mary breaching the oath of celibacy. People also question why Mary set the foundation of polygamy. In other words, why did Mary agree to marry Joseph the carpenter, despite his being already married."(Kasthi-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 18; Kasthi-i-Nuh, P. 26)
* "Mary's hanging out with her fiancee Joseph before wedlock is a strong testimony of an Israelite custom.... Going out with fiancees among people in some frontier tribes had exceeded the limits to such an extent that sometimes pregnancy comes before wedlock, yet it is not looked down upon."(Ayyam-ul-Sulh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 300)
* "... Because the Messiah, son of Mary, had worked as a carpenter with his father Joseph for twenty two years, we know that he was able to invent different sorts of machines and instruments."(Azalah-i-Auham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 3, P. 254)
* "Jesus's three paternal and maternal grandmothers were fornicators and prostitutes, from whose blood Jesus came into existence." [See: Mirza Insults the family of Jesus(pbuh)](Anjam-i-Atham, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 291, addenda)
* "Jesus, The Messiah, had four brothers and two sisters; all of them were his real brothers and sisters. I mean that they all were the offspring of Joseph and Mary."
(Kashti-i-Nuh, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 19, P. 18)

Hope that everyone can readily see what Mirza Ghulam is insinuating here:

* It was common among Jews to go out with their fiancee and have premarital sex;
* Mary(RA) was a Jew and used to go out with his fiancee, Joseph;
* Mary(RA) broke her oath of celibacy (had multiple children);
* Joseph was the Father of Jesus(pbuh);
* Jesus(pbuh) had Paternal grandmothers (did Jesus(pbuh) even have a father?);
* Jesus(pbuh) had brothers/sisters and all were the children of Joseph and Mary(RA).

In short, Mirza insolently suggested that Mary(RA) had engaged in premarital sex with Joseph; and Jesus(pbuh) was the result of that fornication. Each one of these claims of Mirza are unfounded and untruthful charges.

Mirza Claims himself Superior to Jesus(pbuh)

* "To this nation, God sent His promised Messiah (Mirza), who is better than the first Messiah (Jesus) in all regards. I swear by God in whose hands my soul rests that if the Messiah, son of Mary, were my contemporary, he could not have done the works that I can do. Nor would he be able to match the signs (miracles) which I am bringing."
(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 152; Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, P. 148)
* "To this community, God sent the promised Messiah (Mirza) who is better in all glory that the first Messiah (Jesus) and calls this new Messiah Ghulam Ahmad."
(Dafi-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 233; Dafi-ul-Bala P. 27)
* "After all, when God and His Apostle (Muhammad(SAW)) and all the Prophets have declared the supremacy of the second Messiah (Mirza) of this period due to his great achievements; then, it is a satanic act to question me 'Why do you proclaim yourself superior to the first Messiah, the son of Mary?'."(Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 159)

* "Give up all mention of the son of Mary, because Ghulam Ahmad is superior to him."(Dafi-ul-Bala, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 18, P. 240; Dafi-ul-Bala, P. 30)

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani abused Jesus(pbuh) and, in doing so, rejected verses of Quran speaking of Jesus(pbuh) and his family. He was no more than an opportunist and a fabricator.

May God forgive me for reproducing the profanities & indignities inflicted by Mirza Ghulam Ahmed & contained in publications outlined within parentheses above.

Mannerism of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani!
(In light of his own Writings)

Mirza Ghulam Qadiani did not have any scruples at using profanities to try to ridicule, intimidate, or threaten people who did not accept his false claim to prophethood.

Here are a few examples of his writings:

"My enemies are dirty swine and their women are more wretched than bitches."(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 53; Najmul Huda, P. 10, 53)

"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547; Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548)

[Mirza Ghulam translated this Arabic word as "Bastard" in
(Roohany Khazaen Vol. 11, P. 282)

"The one who has no belief in our ultimate victory is fond of becoming bastard and he is bound to be product of fornication." (Roohany Kazaen, Vol. 9, P. 31; Anwar ul Islam, P. 30)

"Are they prepared to swear? No, they'll never do so because they are liars and are derooting the corpse of falsehood like dogs."(Supplement to Anjam-e-Atham, P. 25; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 309)

His eulogy about Maulvi Saadullah Ludhianwi was:
"I look a sinful man among debauched who is more scoundrel and an execrated being like Satan... He who is called Saadullah by the ignorant is slanderer, wicked and a falsifier... You injured me, bastard. I won't be truthful if you won't have a disgraceful death."(Haqiqat-ul Wahi, P. 14-15; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 734-735)

"If Abdullah Athum is saved from death (as per Mirza's prophecy) and if all the world say the Christian was correct, then the bastard will not follow the right path."
(Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 32)

"Abdul Haq is not content with our victories. He is itching to become a bastard."(Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)

"There is nothing more foul than a pig in the world. But the ulema who oppose me are more foul than pigs. "(Anjam-i-Atham, P. 21)

"You have inflicted pain on me with your foulness. You are not truthful. I pray that you die in shame, you son of a harlot."(Anjam-i-Atham, P. 288)

"This bastard of a doctor does not thread the straight path."(Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)

He called Shaikhul Islam Saanaullah of Amristar:"O, the son of wind, o traitor..." (Ijaz-i-Ahmadi, P. 43/77)

The puzzling thing is that he himself wrote:
"I have never abused anyone."(Moahiburahman, P. 18)

"He is worst who is abusive, his heart is as filthy as Latrine."(Sar-e-Sumain, P. 74)

"Abuses and rebukes are not the acts of a believer and a believer can not be a curser."(Azalat-ul-Auham, P. 66)

Is this how a Prophet or even a rightly guided individual would speak?

In general, the impression that I am forming about modern Hinduism is that "modern" Hindus, especially upper-caste Hindus, don't really believe in the religious teachings or dogmas of their faith. Instead, they identify with the aspect of Hinduism that gives them elevation, power, and prestige in the caste-based totem pole of Hinduism


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