HP vs HP

Dear HP Sahib,
I don't know why I am arguing with you. When you are not distracted by the need to score personal points or make jabs at Urdu-speakers from Karachi, you demonstrate occasional bouts of both brilliance and logic. I am going to allow you to debate yourself by jogging your memory with the following posts from your more rational side - please let me know which HP wins the debate:

From: Hotel Babylon: The Marriot Hotel Explosion

Posted by HP Sep 21, 2008 03:28 pm

A second attempt of this magnitude would actually bring the Zardari's government down and if something like this happens the people in Pindi should just start walking over the President House, the army House, the Parliament and the prime Minister house. People in Pakistan are so fed up that they should commit a mass suicide to stop the litany of nonsense by some major fukups leading the army and the country.

The US can be present in FATA with cooperation from the Pakistan army. After all Pakistan has never said no to providing bases to the US.


Emerging Pakistan-U.S. relations

Posted by HP Sep 20, 2008 03:31 pm

Initially, it was good to use the Pak army agents as alqaeeda or Taliban in the area to maintain the occupation but now I think it is beyond the Pak army and the ISI. They have lost control and that worries the US.

Emerging Pakistan-U.S. relations

Posted by HP Sep 20, 2008 02:17 pm

Alqaeeda is a hoax but there is no doubt that Taliban are a reality. They are supported by the people in FATA. I think some of us get caught up in the conspiracy theories too. The US does not have enough army to fight these folks in FATA and that is why they are pressing Pakistan to help out.

For the last six years the US paid every single dollar spent on the 100,000 Pakistani army posted in the tribal areas but results are not encouraging.

posted this on Pavo ilog but it is appropriate to post it here too.(RE:Gen Aziz's article Pavo posted.)

So first he establishes his credibility by calling OBL search a hoax. A conclusion that many analyst before have mentioned-including Yours truly- on many occasions.
But really the thrust of the article is to redeem the army and I think it is part of the concerted efforts by the GHQ and ISI.

He is blaming everything on everyone but he never says what role the Pak army played. Instead he refers to Pak army involvement developed in bits and pieces. Then he claims this:

"The reason for its entry was simply state terrorism: we were terrorised into supporting this war on 'terrorism', which has now become "our war", since we have no other way to justify it"

Does he really think we are chutia or the Pak army thinks that it can again fool people in believing this non-sense?

Pavo and Ijaz, you two are far more politically savvy to buy this crap.

The Army is the US partner in the drama that is being played out in Afghanistan and FATA. Now the US has two dimwit politicians playing the game and the army is breathing long and deep to pump air in to its chest again.

Wasn't it clear to you from the beginning that the civilian in Pakistan are being set up to save the army for another day?

After seven years of complying with the US policies, Gen. Kayani is trying to be the only patriot left in Pakistan to dump the whole thing in the civilians lap.

Zardari is no genius and he has not much left in Pakistan. So he will do his job...of being the stop gap person until the army is ready to take over again.

Article like this(Gen Aziz) will appear regularly in Pakistani press,and we will see more dimwits on TV praising the army for its great stand against the US.

Exonerate the army at your own peril.
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A word about Zardari. He really can't outfox anyone unless the person is ready to be outfoxed. Let us be clear here Altaf Hussain was the first person to pump Zardari for the President's slot. Do we not know where Altaf Hussain got this revelation from?

Zardari as politician is extremely vulnerable due to his past shenanigans. His vulnerability makes him the most manipulatable politician in Pakistan and he is one risk with the lowest cost for both the army and the US.

What is going for him is that the Pak awam are a little more sharper now and many see the game as it is being played out. Some Journalists have finally woken up too after living on lifafa all their lives.