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Hillary Draws Strong Rebuke in Pakistan
The US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's botched attempts at public diplomacy have drawn sharp rebuke from an American in Pakistan. Todd Shea, the head of Comprehensive Disaster Response Services in Pakistan, has criticized Clinton's statements during her recent visit as "insensitive, corrosive, arrogant and flat out wrong". The CDRS is an NGO on the ground in Kashmir and it has been working to provide a field medical center and healthcare services to the earthquake victims in Azad Kashmir since 2005. Like Greg Mortenson's work on building schools, the work done by Todd Shea's relief efforts have engendered positive feelings among Pakistanis toward the Americans. In effect, Greg and Todd have been attempting to fill the vacuum left by the US State Department in practical public diplomacy on the ground in Pakistan.
CDRS says it has worked directly and successfully with nearly every professional organization and major participant working with the earthquake recovery effort in District Muzzafarabad, including The Pakistan Army, Oxfam, Islamic Relief, The Turkish Red Crescent Society, The Pakistan Red Crescent Society, Abbas Hospital, PIMS Hospital, The U.S. Army M*A*S*H, The U.S. Army helicopter forces, The German Army helicopter forces, The Canadian Army DART Team, UNICEF, The World Health Organization, The Canadian Relief Foundation, Concern For Children, SOS Children’s Villages of Pakistan, The Alpine Club, Aid In Emergency, The Cuban Government contingent of physicians, The office of The Federal Health Minister of Pakistan, The Office of the AJK Secretary Of Health and The Federal Relief Commission of Pakistan.
Here is the text of an open letter by Shea addressed to Pakistanis and Americans:
Dear America and Pakistan,
I can't believe how insensitive, corrosive, arrogant and flat out wrong U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was with her statements while in Pakistan on what had been billed as an opportunity for the U.S. to reach out to the Pakistani people in a positive way. Thanks to her corrosive attitude and evasiveness when pressed a bit by fair questions from ordinary Pakistanis, the plan backfired. I can't imagine what she was thinking or what got into her. I had really looked forward to her visit and believed she would use her time wisely to be charming and statesmanlike while encouraging Pakistan's people, acknowledging their suffering and extending a hand of committed friendship and making a pledge that America will never again abandon Pakistan and leave them to clean up the mess. Instead, I feel terribly disappointed and feel as though a great opportunity to improve relations was trashed by ill-timed, ill-tempered and divisive remarks.
As she "scolded" Pakistan, bombs were going off all over the place even as even she disrespected her hosts while sitting in a secure environment, while Pakistani citizens who aren't so lucky are dying in their own streets and the Army is going after the bad guys and their extremist ideology that America planted and then abandoned in the mountains of Pakistan and Afghanistan after the Soviet Union was defeated in the 80s, leaving a poor nation to deal alone with the brutal and destructive aftermath of 3 million refugees in Pakistan (still there) and a severe shortage of schools, hospitals, rehabilitation... and Hope. It's not Pakistan's fault that America didn't live up to its lofty principles and instead made horrible decisions that helped steer the world towards a collision course with disaster. If we could spend enormous amounts of money to rebuild our big enemies of Japan and Germany after World War II, why then couldn't we spend some of our money to rebuild our FRIENDS after they helped the U.S. become the World's lone superpower? It's a question that each and every American who loves their country should think deeply about before they go shooting their mouths off about how Pakistan hasn't done enough to fight the terrorism that we allowed to metastasize into a cancer on the entire world though short-sightedness, selfishness, arrogance and probably some racism too.
Americans should take a hard look at our past foreign policy towards the Pakistan-Afghanistan region with regards to collecting, sending, training, arming and supporting extremists to help fight our ideological battles and then abruptly leaving the scene (once our short term strategic global objectives were met) without repatriating foreign fighters, debriefing and disarming indigenous fighters, aiding heartbroken mothers and traumatized children who had never known anything other than war and sorrow, providing better education, opportunity, infrastructure and healthcare so a wartorn place could start anew and begin building a brighter future. Resources were desperately needed and we ignored our responsibilities and forgot about what we and our founding documents stand for. Americans should see our leader's abandonement of the region in the 90s like someone helping to start a wildfire and then leaving the scene, then coming back later while peoples houses are burning to the ground and human beings are engulfed in the flames of terror to publicly scold the brave firefighters who are putting their lives on the line about how they're not doing enough to fight the fire- and then have the arrogant audacity to criticize the victimized families who live in the neighborhood about fire safety.
Americans who are ignorant of the facts or don't understand them should study their history more closely and be willing to "look in the mirror" with some thoughtful introspection on what Afghanis and Pakistanis have suffered for so many years.
As an American who dearly loves his Country and Pakistan and who has spent most of the last four years working on ground to help Pakistanis rebuild their lives from disasters, I wish to apologize to Pakistan's citizens for The Secretary of State's undiplomatic behavior in your suffering nation.
Respectfully,
Todd Shea
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Posted by RiazHaq on
Sunday November 1, 2009 08:20 am
My Dear Pathetic Bigots:
This is the problem with you guys, you cannot digest truthful observations and honesty....and the plain and obvious truth is that India remains a poor, backward, third world country with grand ambitions in its neighborhood.
India has over a billion people with a government having a worse record than Pakistan's in terms of hunger, poverty, sanitation and other very basic human necessities. UN agencies and various aid orgs from other nations are pumping billions of dollars to provide basic relief to help the poor in India barely survive.
India's share of the world's poorest people has increased to 39 percent from 25 percent in 1980. In comparison, the Below Poverty Line population worldwide has decreased from 1,470 million to 970 million. There are reportedly 301 million Indians below the poverty line, just 19 million less than in 1983. The Human Development Report by the UN has been ranking India among the lowest 60 or 65 countries in the list of 193 nations that are part of the annual study. India's poor performance on this score was in spite of the around nine percent growth rate in its GDP. There are reports in the media about farmers committing suicide or selling their wives to pay mounting debts. Though the recorded figures of such cases aren't high in a big country such as India with 1.17 billion people, it still indicates the desperate state of certain communities.
This is the problem with you guys, you cannot digest truthful observations and honesty....and the plain and obvious truth is that India remains a poor, backward, third world country with grand ambitions in its neighborhood.
India has over a billion people with a government having a worse record than Pakistan's in terms of hunger, poverty, sanitation and other very basic human necessities. UN agencies and various aid orgs from other nations are pumping billions of dollars to provide basic relief to help the poor in India barely survive.
India's share of the world's poorest people has increased to 39 percent from 25 percent in 1980. In comparison, the Below Poverty Line population worldwide has decreased from 1,470 million to 970 million. There are reportedly 301 million Indians below the poverty line, just 19 million less than in 1983. The Human Development Report by the UN has been ranking India among the lowest 60 or 65 countries in the list of 193 nations that are part of the annual study. India's poor performance on this score was in spite of the around nine percent growth rate in its GDP. There are reports in the media about farmers committing suicide or selling their wives to pay mounting debts. Though the recorded figures of such cases aren't high in a big country such as India with 1.17 billion people, it still indicates the desperate state of certain communities.
Posted by khadijabibi on
Sunday November 1, 2009 01:45 am
RiazHaq: 11:55
This is the problem with you guys, you cannot digest truthful observations and honesty. Dude, it's nothing but the world which is doubtful of Pakistan's seriousness.
Did not you see what Richard Halbrooke wrote?
We want see what they (Pakistani Army) did.....Did they desperse them or decimate them.....See! everyone knows Pakistani cunningness.
State Dept was fully behind her statement and it is confirmed. Which means it was American stand vis a vis Pakistan and not Hillary´s personal remarks.
You want the drones to stop! THEY NEVER WILL and you know it. So why talk rubbish anyway.
Can you stop 54 acre American fortress embassy under construction housing 1000 marines? The answer again is NO.
Do U think USA will change thier policy on Israel? NO.
You were told clear cut - U want the money take it or leave it.......What more shameful dialogue could it be other than this.
Accept that you need money, without which you can not survive anyway.
Going round n round, talking trash here n there wont bring any goodwill for Pakistan and U know it....
Your country is pony mule - nothing it can do other than Gadha mazuri!
You can vent yr frustration on Hillary, but she delivered US official line of thoughts. And nothing you people can do to stop USA in whatever she does.
This is the problem with you guys, you cannot digest truthful observations and honesty. Dude, it's nothing but the world which is doubtful of Pakistan's seriousness.
Did not you see what Richard Halbrooke wrote?
We want see what they (Pakistani Army) did.....Did they desperse them or decimate them.....See! everyone knows Pakistani cunningness.
State Dept was fully behind her statement and it is confirmed. Which means it was American stand vis a vis Pakistan and not Hillary´s personal remarks.
You want the drones to stop! THEY NEVER WILL and you know it. So why talk rubbish anyway.
Can you stop 54 acre American fortress embassy under construction housing 1000 marines? The answer again is NO.
Do U think USA will change thier policy on Israel? NO.
You were told clear cut - U want the money take it or leave it.......What more shameful dialogue could it be other than this.
Accept that you need money, without which you can not survive anyway.
Going round n round, talking trash here n there wont bring any goodwill for Pakistan and U know it....
Your country is pony mule - nothing it can do other than Gadha mazuri!
You can vent yr frustration on Hillary, but she delivered US official line of thoughts. And nothing you people can do to stop USA in whatever she does.
Posted by bharat25t on
Sunday November 1, 2009 01:32 am
Riaz this is ur 100th ILOG
Posted by RiazHaq on
Saturday October 31, 2009 11:55 pm
LA Times report quotes a Pakistani editorial that says "One cannot help feeling that [Clinton's trip] was an abortive exercise," remarked an editorial in the Nation, an English-language newspaper, "and she went away fully conscious of that failure."
At a televised town hall meeting in Islamabad on Friday, a woman in a mostly female audience characterized U.S. drone missile strikes on suspected terrorist targets in northwestern Pakistan as de facto acts of terrorism themselves. A day earlier in Lahore, a college student asked Clinton why every student who visits the U.S. is viewed there as a terrorist.
The opinions Clinton heard weren't the strident voices of radical clerics or politicians with anti-American agendas. Some of the most biting criticisms came from well-mannered university youths and respected, seasoned journalists, a reflection of the breadth of dissatisfaction Pakistanis have with U.S. policy toward their country.
In those voices, a sense that Pakistan was paying a heavy price for America's "war on terror" rang clear.
"You had one 9/11, and we are having daily 9/11s in Pakistan," Asma Shirazi, a journalist with Geo TV, told Clinton during the Islamabad town hall meeting.
Clinton's visit came at a time when Pakistanis' suspicions about U.S. intentions in their country were at an all-time high.
A five-year, $7.5-billion aid package to Pakistan recently signed into law by President Obama has stoked much of the animosity. Measures in the legislation aimed at ensuring the money isn't misspent have been perceived by Pakistanis as levers that Washington can use to exert control over their country.
Pakistanis also continue to be incensed by U.S. reliance on drone missile strikes to take out top Al Qaeda and Taliban commanders in Pakistan's lawless tribal areas along the Afghan border.
CIA-operated drone strikes have killed at least 13 senior Al Qaeda and Taliban militants in the tribal areas in the last 18 months. But Pakistani government and military leaders say the strikes have also killed hundreds of civilians and amount to violations of Pakistan's sovereignty.
At the Islamabad town hall meeting, a female student from a university in Peshawar, a city shaken by a car bomb blast Wednesday that killed 118 people, summed up the anger over the drone attacks.
"What is actually terrorism in U.S. eyes?" the woman asked. "Is it the killing of innocent people in, let's say, drone attacks? Or is it the killing of innocent people in different parts of Pakistan, like the bomb blast in Peshawar two days ago? Which one is terrorism, do you think?"
Pressed by the forum's moderator whether she thought U.S. drone missile strikes were tantamount to terrorism, Clinton answered, "No, I do not."
On the one occasion when Clinton struck her own assertive tone, the message appeared to get through. Her suggestion to Pakistani journalists in Lahore that elements within the Pakistani government likely were aware of the whereabouts of Al Qaeda leaders but were not acting on the information struck a chord on the opinion pages of major Pakistani newspapers.
"If we are honest, we cannot deny that much of what she said was true," remarked an editorial that appeared today in the News, a major English-language Pakistani daily.
At a televised town hall meeting in Islamabad on Friday, a woman in a mostly female audience characterized U.S. drone missile strikes on suspected terrorist targets in northwestern Pakistan as de facto acts of terrorism themselves. A day earlier in Lahore, a college student asked Clinton why every student who visits the U.S. is viewed there as a terrorist.
The opinions Clinton heard weren't the strident voices of radical clerics or politicians with anti-American agendas. Some of the most biting criticisms came from well-mannered university youths and respected, seasoned journalists, a reflection of the breadth of dissatisfaction Pakistanis have with U.S. policy toward their country.
In those voices, a sense that Pakistan was paying a heavy price for America's "war on terror" rang clear.
"You had one 9/11, and we are having daily 9/11s in Pakistan," Asma Shirazi, a journalist with Geo TV, told Clinton during the Islamabad town hall meeting.
Clinton's visit came at a time when Pakistanis' suspicions about U.S. intentions in their country were at an all-time high.
A five-year, $7.5-billion aid package to Pakistan recently signed into law by President Obama has stoked much of the animosity. Measures in the legislation aimed at ensuring the money isn't misspent have been perceived by Pakistanis as levers that Washington can use to exert control over their country.
Pakistanis also continue to be incensed by U.S. reliance on drone missile strikes to take out top Al Qaeda and Taliban commanders in Pakistan's lawless tribal areas along the Afghan border.
CIA-operated drone strikes have killed at least 13 senior Al Qaeda and Taliban militants in the tribal areas in the last 18 months. But Pakistani government and military leaders say the strikes have also killed hundreds of civilians and amount to violations of Pakistan's sovereignty.
At the Islamabad town hall meeting, a female student from a university in Peshawar, a city shaken by a car bomb blast Wednesday that killed 118 people, summed up the anger over the drone attacks.
"What is actually terrorism in U.S. eyes?" the woman asked. "Is it the killing of innocent people in, let's say, drone attacks? Or is it the killing of innocent people in different parts of Pakistan, like the bomb blast in Peshawar two days ago? Which one is terrorism, do you think?"
Pressed by the forum's moderator whether she thought U.S. drone missile strikes were tantamount to terrorism, Clinton answered, "No, I do not."
On the one occasion when Clinton struck her own assertive tone, the message appeared to get through. Her suggestion to Pakistani journalists in Lahore that elements within the Pakistani government likely were aware of the whereabouts of Al Qaeda leaders but were not acting on the information struck a chord on the opinion pages of major Pakistani newspapers.
"If we are honest, we cannot deny that much of what she said was true," remarked an editorial that appeared today in the News, a major English-language Pakistani daily.
Posted by RiazHaq on
Saturday October 31, 2009 11:50 pm
Hillary is negative reviews of her "pathetic performance" in Pakistan. Here's sample comment by Michael Scheuer of Georgetown University as published by National Journal Online:
Mrs. Clinton's pathetic performance in Pakistan today underscores that neither she, the State Department, nor President Obama is what America needs in wartime. Clinton and almost all of our governing elite are worthless caricatures of a leaders so long as they fail to make the protection of the United States the single basis from which all policy flows. Like a hectoring school marm, Mrs. Clinton today told the Pakistanis that she could not believe they did not know the location of Osama bin Laden. Whether or not the Pakistanis know, the reality is that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda are America's problem not Pakistan's. Indeed, Pakistan under Musharraf and Zidari have contributed more to the U.S. war in Afghanistan than any of our other allies. Zidari and his Army are now on the verge of seeing their country consumed in a civil war because of what they have done to assist the Bush and Obama administrations. What we need to hear from Mrs. Clinton, Obama, McCain, and the rest is:
"Thanks, Pakistan, for all you have done. We American leaders have behaved as abject, child-like creatures since 9/11 and have looked to use bribery as a tool for enticing other people to do America’s dirty work. That was and is a stupid and cowardly policy. From here on out, we recognize that 9/11 was an act of war against the United States -- not an attack against Western civilization, per Colin Powell’s fatuous claim -- and that we alone are responsible for eradicating those who attacked America. We are capable of doing so, and we intend to do so and end this problem as quickly as possible. "
This is what America needs to hear from Mrs. Clinton. Alas, we will not hear it from her or any other member of the Obama team. We will keep looking for other countries we can bribe to do America's dirty work. Geography may become a problem shortly, however. After Pakistan is gone as a viable state, who will Washington turn to get bin Laden or any other foe who appears? The mighty legions of Turkmenistan, perhaps?
Mrs. Clinton's pathetic performance in Pakistan today underscores that neither she, the State Department, nor President Obama is what America needs in wartime. Clinton and almost all of our governing elite are worthless caricatures of a leaders so long as they fail to make the protection of the United States the single basis from which all policy flows. Like a hectoring school marm, Mrs. Clinton today told the Pakistanis that she could not believe they did not know the location of Osama bin Laden. Whether or not the Pakistanis know, the reality is that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda are America's problem not Pakistan's. Indeed, Pakistan under Musharraf and Zidari have contributed more to the U.S. war in Afghanistan than any of our other allies. Zidari and his Army are now on the verge of seeing their country consumed in a civil war because of what they have done to assist the Bush and Obama administrations. What we need to hear from Mrs. Clinton, Obama, McCain, and the rest is:
"Thanks, Pakistan, for all you have done. We American leaders have behaved as abject, child-like creatures since 9/11 and have looked to use bribery as a tool for enticing other people to do America’s dirty work. That was and is a stupid and cowardly policy. From here on out, we recognize that 9/11 was an act of war against the United States -- not an attack against Western civilization, per Colin Powell’s fatuous claim -- and that we alone are responsible for eradicating those who attacked America. We are capable of doing so, and we intend to do so and end this problem as quickly as possible. "
This is what America needs to hear from Mrs. Clinton. Alas, we will not hear it from her or any other member of the Obama team. We will keep looking for other countries we can bribe to do America's dirty work. Geography may become a problem shortly, however. After Pakistan is gone as a viable state, who will Washington turn to get bin Laden or any other foe who appears? The mighty legions of Turkmenistan, perhaps?
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 11:04 pm
White House backs Clinton's Pakistan remarks
WASHINGTON: The White House is standing behind Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's blunt suggestion that Pakistani officials know where top terrorists are hiding, Geo news reported.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Friday that Clinton's public comments echoed what U.S. officials tell the Pakistanis in private. He said they do not undermine Pakistani anti-terror cooperation.
Said Gibbs, "I think those remarks were completely appropriate."
U.S. committed to root out Taliban leadership: Clinton
Stay tuned.....
WASHINGTON: The White House is standing behind Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton's blunt suggestion that Pakistani officials know where top terrorists are hiding, Geo news reported.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Friday that Clinton's public comments echoed what U.S. officials tell the Pakistanis in private. He said they do not undermine Pakistani anti-terror cooperation.
Said Gibbs, "I think those remarks were completely appropriate."
U.S. committed to root out Taliban leadership: Clinton
Stay tuned.....
Posted by RiazHaq on
Saturday October 31, 2009 10:55 pm
Here's a view of India's RAW's involvement with the Taliban to foment trouble in Pakistan as seen by Laura Rozen in her article in Foreign Policy Magazine:
While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan, the former intelligence official said. "The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the former (US) intelligence official who served in both countries said. "The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there."
There are strong indications that the Indian security and intelligence establishment has finally launched the covert war in Pakistan that they have been planning for about a year. The Indian officials have been seething since last year because of their inability to "punish" Pakistan following the Mumbai terrorist attacks that they blamed on Pakistan. They shelved the idea of lightning air strikes strategy dubbed "Cold Start" against Pakistan for fear of sparking a major war. But they have continued to talk about covert actions by Indian agents to destabilize and balkanize Pakistan. Former RAW chief B. Raman has argued that India appoint a covert ops specialist as the new head of RAW. He said last December that “at this critical time in the nation’s history, RAW has no covert action specialists at the top of its pyramid. Get a suitable officer from the IB or the Army. If necessary, make him the head of the organization.”
K.C. Verma, a former IB official and a RAW outsider, was appointed earlier this year as the new head of RAW. This choice appears to have been made at the suggestion of intelligence hawks like B. Raman to appoint an outsider, in spite of significant resistance from within the agency. Mr. Verma has been tasked with rapidly building strong covert ops capabilities within RAW. It is not a coincidence that the terrorist attacks in Pakistan have dramatically increased since Verma took the reins of RAW.
Indians have demonstrated that they have the strong motives and the means to hurt Pakistan. They have established a powerful presence in Afghanistan along the border with Pakistan and deployed significant resources to carry out a very violent covert war inside Pakistan, and they appear to have now found the opportunity among the willing allies in the Pakistani Taliban faction in Mehsud tribe.
While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan, the former intelligence official said. "The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan," the former (US) intelligence official who served in both countries said. "The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there."
There are strong indications that the Indian security and intelligence establishment has finally launched the covert war in Pakistan that they have been planning for about a year. The Indian officials have been seething since last year because of their inability to "punish" Pakistan following the Mumbai terrorist attacks that they blamed on Pakistan. They shelved the idea of lightning air strikes strategy dubbed "Cold Start" against Pakistan for fear of sparking a major war. But they have continued to talk about covert actions by Indian agents to destabilize and balkanize Pakistan. Former RAW chief B. Raman has argued that India appoint a covert ops specialist as the new head of RAW. He said last December that “at this critical time in the nation’s history, RAW has no covert action specialists at the top of its pyramid. Get a suitable officer from the IB or the Army. If necessary, make him the head of the organization.”
K.C. Verma, a former IB official and a RAW outsider, was appointed earlier this year as the new head of RAW. This choice appears to have been made at the suggestion of intelligence hawks like B. Raman to appoint an outsider, in spite of significant resistance from within the agency. Mr. Verma has been tasked with rapidly building strong covert ops capabilities within RAW. It is not a coincidence that the terrorist attacks in Pakistan have dramatically increased since Verma took the reins of RAW.
Indians have demonstrated that they have the strong motives and the means to hurt Pakistan. They have established a powerful presence in Afghanistan along the border with Pakistan and deployed significant resources to carry out a very violent covert war inside Pakistan, and they appear to have now found the opportunity among the willing allies in the Pakistani Taliban faction in Mehsud tribe.
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 10:09 pm
No proof of Indian role in Balochistan: Hillary
n a firm backing of India's position, the US has brushed aside Pakistani allegations of New Delhi's involvement in the ethnic strife in Balochistan saying there was no evidence to suggest any Indian "mischief" in the region.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, during an interaction with Pakistani newspaper editors on her just concluded visit to the country, also praised the restraint shown by the Indian government in the immediate aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks. She also advised the civilian and military leadership in Pakistan to speak in one voice and work together to resolve their issues.
Responding to a comment by one of the participants at the interaction that many Pakistanis believed that India was doing "some mischief" in Balochistan, Clinton said: "Well, first of all, we have no evidence of that. I mean, we just have no evidence of that."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Pakistan is a cry baby...
n a firm backing of India's position, the US has brushed aside Pakistani allegations of New Delhi's involvement in the ethnic strife in Balochistan saying there was no evidence to suggest any Indian "mischief" in the region.
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, during an interaction with Pakistani newspaper editors on her just concluded visit to the country, also praised the restraint shown by the Indian government in the immediate aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks. She also advised the civilian and military leadership in Pakistan to speak in one voice and work together to resolve their issues.
Responding to a comment by one of the participants at the interaction that many Pakistanis believed that India was doing "some mischief" in Balochistan, Clinton said: "Well, first of all, we have no evidence of that. I mean, we just have no evidence of that."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Pakistan is a cry baby...
Posted by RiazHaq on
Saturday October 31, 2009 09:07 pm
Here's a NY Times report today about growing Maoist insurgency in India:
India’s Maoist rebels are now present in 20 states and have evolved into a potent and lethal insurgency. In the last four years, the Maoists have killed more than 900 Indian security officers, a figure almost as high as the more than 1,100 members of the coalition forces killed in Afghanistan during the same period.
If the Maoists were once dismissed as a ragtag band of outdated ideologues, Indian leaders are now preparing to deploy nearly 70,000 paramilitary officers for a prolonged counterinsurgency campaign to hunt down the guerrillas in some of the country’s most rugged, isolated terrain.
For India, the widening Maoist insurgency is a moment of reckoning for the country’s democracy and has ignited a sharp debate about where it has failed. In the past, India has tamed some secessionist movements by coaxing rebel groups into the country’s big-tent political process. The Maoists, however, do not want to secede or be absorbed. Their goal is to topple the system.
Once considered Robin Hood figures, the Maoists claim to represent the dispossessed of Indian society, particularly the indigenous tribal groups, who suffer some of the country’s highest rates of poverty, illiteracy and infant mortality. Many intellectuals and even some politicians once sympathized with their cause, but the growing Maoist violence has forced a wrenching reconsideration of whether they can still be tolerated.
“The root of this is dispossession and deprivation,” said Ramachandra Guha, a prominent historian based in Bangalore. “The Maoists are an ugly manifestation of this. This is a serious problem that is not going to disappear.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/world/asia/01maoist.html?_r=1
India’s Maoist rebels are now present in 20 states and have evolved into a potent and lethal insurgency. In the last four years, the Maoists have killed more than 900 Indian security officers, a figure almost as high as the more than 1,100 members of the coalition forces killed in Afghanistan during the same period.
If the Maoists were once dismissed as a ragtag band of outdated ideologues, Indian leaders are now preparing to deploy nearly 70,000 paramilitary officers for a prolonged counterinsurgency campaign to hunt down the guerrillas in some of the country’s most rugged, isolated terrain.
For India, the widening Maoist insurgency is a moment of reckoning for the country’s democracy and has ignited a sharp debate about where it has failed. In the past, India has tamed some secessionist movements by coaxing rebel groups into the country’s big-tent political process. The Maoists, however, do not want to secede or be absorbed. Their goal is to topple the system.
Once considered Robin Hood figures, the Maoists claim to represent the dispossessed of Indian society, particularly the indigenous tribal groups, who suffer some of the country’s highest rates of poverty, illiteracy and infant mortality. Many intellectuals and even some politicians once sympathized with their cause, but the growing Maoist violence has forced a wrenching reconsideration of whether they can still be tolerated.
“The root of this is dispossession and deprivation,” said Ramachandra Guha, a prominent historian based in Bangalore. “The Maoists are an ugly manifestation of this. This is a serious problem that is not going to disappear.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/01/world/asia/01maoist.html?_r=1
Posted by bharat25t on
Saturday October 31, 2009 07:53 pm
Anil Sahib::
Zeemax sahib:
Not only the picture, but the questions and reasoning presented also. People like you have work cut out to not let the three elements destroy it. In one generation they will be ready to kick lazy and corrupt behinds.
But there is also Zardari Son lodged in a UK Pakistani Ghetto who will be ready to take over and mint more money out of Pak Mafia operations... Also there are more Musharrafs, Kiyanis in the making in Pak army who will further destroy this nation...
Zeemax sahib:
Not only the picture, but the questions and reasoning presented also. People like you have work cut out to not let the three elements destroy it. In one generation they will be ready to kick lazy and corrupt behinds.
But there is also Zardari Son lodged in a UK Pakistani Ghetto who will be ready to take over and mint more money out of Pak Mafia operations... Also there are more Musharrafs, Kiyanis in the making in Pak army who will further destroy this nation...
Posted by bharat25t on
Saturday October 31, 2009 07:40 pm
According to Kary Lugar bill..... Is it Hillary Clinton who has to certify every 6 months that Pakistan is doin wat it was told to do and paid for??????
Posted by anil on
Saturday October 31, 2009 06:55 pm
Riaz mian:
Zeemax sahib posted Hilary's conversation with very smart women. Many of the questions and great answers by Hillary. This is the image that is not even known to exist, but touches even the coldest hearted red-neck. Liberals will dote it.
Why would you not use these moments and such stories? They deliver the message that I see among my Pakistani friends. This moderate, this smart, this driven Pakistan will get accepted and respected in the world.
Army, corrupt politicians, or Islamic fundamentalist / terrorists will not. They have been selling Pakistan for 60 years, and have their running dogs (very sadly including you) who sustain images.
Please do not forget to read my comment on Zeemax sahib's thread (http://www.chowk.com/unplugged/t/77635) and his response also. For your convenience, I have reproduced the both here:
"Post by Nebukadresar on Oct 31, 2009 6:04:10 am
anil Sahib,
The picture above should be the face of the Pakistani nation. You can see the diversity in all three in appearance and manner, but all three (and Mehr Bukhari not in the picture) had the same line of questions. They think in the same way as far as Pakistan is concerned.
It is true this is not reflected in the leadership. But it will evolve. This renews my faith in the resilience and homogeneity in thought of the mainstream Pakistani nation."
Below is what I had written:
"Post by anil on Oct 31, 2009 5:47:56 am
Zeemax sahib:
The group sharing the stage with Hillary can lead the nation. Can it be that such a talent is not showing up in the leadership because of long military rules. Irrespective of their religious beliefs, such a group not only can rule, but will be respected and accepted by the comity of nations. In my view emergence of such a leaders is possible only under a democratic system. I hope people like you on the right ensure democratic institutions are built and not destroyed by military, corrupt civilian leaders, and yes by those whom I call Islamic fundamentalist and terrorists.
I think you owe it to your daughters."
You call yourself Pak Alumni Worldwide, and count tattian, peshab ghar and pakhana in your padosi? Phir aapko, jaisa moonh vaisa thappad mil jata hai. Certainly Pak Alumni World Wide in Silicon Valley can do much better, unless you are sadist and masochistic.
A video clip of Todd Shea singing Dil Dil Pakistan, is not the response.
Zeemax sahib posted Hilary's conversation with very smart women. Many of the questions and great answers by Hillary. This is the image that is not even known to exist, but touches even the coldest hearted red-neck. Liberals will dote it.
Why would you not use these moments and such stories? They deliver the message that I see among my Pakistani friends. This moderate, this smart, this driven Pakistan will get accepted and respected in the world.
Army, corrupt politicians, or Islamic fundamentalist / terrorists will not. They have been selling Pakistan for 60 years, and have their running dogs (very sadly including you) who sustain images.
Please do not forget to read my comment on Zeemax sahib's thread (http://www.chowk.com/unplugged/t/77635) and his response also. For your convenience, I have reproduced the both here:
"Post by Nebukadresar on Oct 31, 2009 6:04:10 am
anil Sahib,
The picture above should be the face of the Pakistani nation. You can see the diversity in all three in appearance and manner, but all three (and Mehr Bukhari not in the picture) had the same line of questions. They think in the same way as far as Pakistan is concerned.
It is true this is not reflected in the leadership. But it will evolve. This renews my faith in the resilience and homogeneity in thought of the mainstream Pakistani nation."
Below is what I had written:
"Post by anil on Oct 31, 2009 5:47:56 am
Zeemax sahib:
The group sharing the stage with Hillary can lead the nation. Can it be that such a talent is not showing up in the leadership because of long military rules. Irrespective of their religious beliefs, such a group not only can rule, but will be respected and accepted by the comity of nations. In my view emergence of such a leaders is possible only under a democratic system. I hope people like you on the right ensure democratic institutions are built and not destroyed by military, corrupt civilian leaders, and yes by those whom I call Islamic fundamentalist and terrorists.
I think you owe it to your daughters."
You call yourself Pak Alumni Worldwide, and count tattian, peshab ghar and pakhana in your padosi? Phir aapko, jaisa moonh vaisa thappad mil jata hai. Certainly Pak Alumni World Wide in Silicon Valley can do much better, unless you are sadist and masochistic.
A video clip of Todd Shea singing Dil Dil Pakistan, is not the response.
Posted by saleemhaddi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 06:23 pm
an american in pakistan rebukes clinton!!!no response from shell shocked generals kicked on their groins by hillairy,no response from top polit bossess,all were pissing in thier pants till clinton left
Posted by ahmedmadani on
Saturday October 31, 2009 05:39 pm
Pres. Obama is furious with his foreign minister for showing imprudence and arrogance in pakistan.
Now her husband is powerful politician so he will wait and dismiss her at appropriate time.
She was supposed to go to Delhi and make hajamt of sing without soap and water for indulging in violent terror and siding with TTP and company.
But mr. Obama was so alarmed by her performance as he thought lady is out of control and will attack mohatma gandhi for giving inspiration to ttp and likes and even insult by eating beef burgers in McDonalds.
Within 6 months mrs clinton will be gone. She dug her grave by her sensesless talk leading to rise of hate america in islamic world.
let us hope let obama be freed from lobbst and let him come out when he said without kashmir GWT will never end.
Now her husband is powerful politician so he will wait and dismiss her at appropriate time.
She was supposed to go to Delhi and make hajamt of sing without soap and water for indulging in violent terror and siding with TTP and company.
But mr. Obama was so alarmed by her performance as he thought lady is out of control and will attack mohatma gandhi for giving inspiration to ttp and likes and even insult by eating beef burgers in McDonalds.
Within 6 months mrs clinton will be gone. She dug her grave by her sensesless talk leading to rise of hate america in islamic world.
let us hope let obama be freed from lobbst and let him come out when he said without kashmir GWT will never end.
Posted by pakdoc on
Saturday October 31, 2009 05:14 pm
pakistanis donot hate americans riaz..they hate the US government.... american citizens themselves hate their govt......why blame us.....pakistanis also hate their own govt.... its the corrupt leadership ppl hate not the citizens...be it US, Pakistan, India or Afghanistan or any other place in the world.....
i know many hindus who are good friends of mine.. they r timid and nice ppl...thank God i donot know hindus like fatehmolla, nkg and bharat personally... these are the kind that unfortunately, sit in their parliament... hence the state sponsored attrocities in india...
i have been born and raised in pakistan, amongst muslims...none were violent or abbusive....have had many shia and sunni friends...none discriminated...these sect discriminations are mostly political...common man doesnot witness it in his/her everyday life...muslims are helpful and loving ppl...they take care of their neighbours and elders...i have met extremely religious ppl but none were violent... donot admix political propoganda with reality...
neither our govt, not US or india's truly represents its ppl...these are a bunch of corrupt elites who take turns in looting their respective countries and in america's case...looting the world....hence the hatred....... social workers like greg mortenson and todd shea, are common americans who r tolerant and respectful of others customs and beliefs.....hence never encounter hatred...instead pakistanis love them and pray for them, in gratitude of their help......
a common american citizen and US govt officials are like apples and oranges..donot mix them.....situation is similar in other democracies of the world....
i know many hindus who are good friends of mine.. they r timid and nice ppl...thank God i donot know hindus like fatehmolla, nkg and bharat personally... these are the kind that unfortunately, sit in their parliament... hence the state sponsored attrocities in india...
i have been born and raised in pakistan, amongst muslims...none were violent or abbusive....have had many shia and sunni friends...none discriminated...these sect discriminations are mostly political...common man doesnot witness it in his/her everyday life...muslims are helpful and loving ppl...they take care of their neighbours and elders...i have met extremely religious ppl but none were violent... donot admix political propoganda with reality...
neither our govt, not US or india's truly represents its ppl...these are a bunch of corrupt elites who take turns in looting their respective countries and in america's case...looting the world....hence the hatred....... social workers like greg mortenson and todd shea, are common americans who r tolerant and respectful of others customs and beliefs.....hence never encounter hatred...instead pakistanis love them and pray for them, in gratitude of their help......
a common american citizen and US govt officials are like apples and oranges..donot mix them.....situation is similar in other democracies of the world....
Posted by RiazHaq on
Saturday October 31, 2009 04:24 pm
Here is a quiz for the bigots who think Pakistanis hate Americans:
Why are Americans like Greg Mortenson and Todd Shea warmly welcomed and loved in Pakistan and Hillary gets indifference or hostility from the same people? ....
Here's a hint: Three Cups of Tea.
What does it mean?
On the first cup, you're a stranger, and on the second, a guest. By the third cup, you're family.
Read more at: http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/03/general-kayanis-three-cups-of-tea.html
Why are Americans like Greg Mortenson and Todd Shea warmly welcomed and loved in Pakistan and Hillary gets indifference or hostility from the same people? ....
Here's a hint: Three Cups of Tea.
What does it mean?
On the first cup, you're a stranger, and on the second, a guest. By the third cup, you're family.
Read more at: http://www.riazhaq.com/2009/03/general-kayanis-three-cups-of-tea.html
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 02:17 pm
I was the first one to advise her not to travel to Pakistan for her own safety and chastity.
Pakistan is full of wolves!
Pakistan is full of wolves!
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 02:15 pm
Ambi mambi would not mary any salwar kameez moslem who would kill her on hounor killing basis - karo kiri...
She knows her limitations - she is more than educated sexy chick!
She knows her limitations - she is more than educated sexy chick!
Posted by pakdoc on
Saturday October 31, 2009 02:14 pm
u sure r lighter bibi!
the world media attests to that FACT..lol!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16157113/
the world media attests to that FACT..lol!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16157113/
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 02:12 pm
For yr info Pakidaku!
We r already email-IM-cellphone friends....
We r already email-IM-cellphone friends....
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 02:08 pm
Ambi bibi knows this fatehmolla very well you jealous moslem!
Pakidaku you are no MATCH for her, while I am a LIGHTER!
lol
Pakidaku you are no MATCH for her, while I am a LIGHTER!
lol
Posted by pakdoc on
Saturday October 31, 2009 02:04 pm
khadija bibi u r such a lesbian!!!
did u forget u had adopted a deceptive female name?? lol
did u forget u had adopted a deceptive female name?? lol
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 01:57 pm
""".its obvious our separation gives u sleepless nights:):)"""
No darling - better chop of a gangrenous limb!
We are happy on the contrary to see that 180 million madersa educated camel drivers are far off our borders and never to be seen again......but u r an exception - come I marry u;)))
No darling - better chop of a gangrenous limb!
We are happy on the contrary to see that 180 million madersa educated camel drivers are far off our borders and never to be seen again......but u r an exception - come I marry u;)))
Posted by AmbiBambi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 01:50 pm
Waisay KB --For money, Pakis are known to sell thier mothers!--
If we "Pakis" are really like that, why didnt u guys just bribe us to keep us from separating from u in 1947...its obvious our separation gives u sleepless nights:):)
If we "Pakis" are really like that, why didnt u guys just bribe us to keep us from separating from u in 1947...its obvious our separation gives u sleepless nights:):)
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 01:48 pm
"""Yeah, hillary's visit was a flop.""""
Flop???
You must be in a slumber!
It was a great success - first ever since the invention of slice bread in terms of Pakistan USA relation LOL
Flop???
You must be in a slumber!
It was a great success - first ever since the invention of slice bread in terms of Pakistan USA relation LOL
Posted by bharat25t on
Saturday October 31, 2009 01:48 pm
"Dil DIl Pakistan" video........You too Riaz Haq..... Insecure like rest of Pakistan who get an orgasm when a Gora says Allah-Allah...or in this case sings Dil Dil Pakstan....
If all the Pakistani institutes stopped working like a mafia and stopped killing-selling each other then aapko yeh din bhi dekhna na hota..
If all the Pakistani institutes stopped working like a mafia and stopped killing-selling each other then aapko yeh din bhi dekhna na hota..
Posted by a_r_j_u_n298 on
Saturday October 31, 2009 01:40 pm
she drew a rebuke?? the fact is that she bitch slapped pakis and pakiland...
Posted by pakdoc on
Saturday October 31, 2009 01:39 pm
yeah, hillary's visit was a flop..she failed to impress or convince anyone she visited....she was hoping to score some lame PR points by visiting historical sites in lahore *rollign eyes*...
none of the conferences she conducted were fruitful for her... no-one concurred with her statements and her mission to tilt media opinion towards american policies was a terrible failure....infact journalists gave her a gleefully hard time :) two thumbs up to the direct and open questions!
one of the newspaper headlines correctly said..... She came, she charmed, she failed to convince......Looks like US has not only lost the war in the field, but also in the hearts and minds of the people....
none of the conferences she conducted were fruitful for her... no-one concurred with her statements and her mission to tilt media opinion towards american policies was a terrible failure....infact journalists gave her a gleefully hard time :) two thumbs up to the direct and open questions!
one of the newspaper headlines correctly said..... She came, she charmed, she failed to convince......Looks like US has not only lost the war in the field, but also in the hearts and minds of the people....
Posted by khadijabibi on
Saturday October 31, 2009 01:30 pm
Who gives a fook about teddy loony Shia - where does he count vis a vis Kayani-Zardari who have thier mouth shut???
Collect USD, because you need them, and not these teddy bears!
For money, Pakis are known to sell thier mothers!
Collect USD, because you need them, and not these teddy bears!
For money, Pakis are known to sell thier mothers!
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