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#148 Posted by Kulharee on June 19, 2008 12:04:12 pm
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Good detective work there Colombo. Now tell me why do Shias curse Ayesha? I personally don’t have any problem with that. I say let people be people."}
Mr. Kulharee,
Thank you for agreeing that you are a confirmed LIAR. The disagreement between Shias and Sunnis and Shias and other Shias is over succession for the positions of Khalifa and Imam. This is a matter that does not affect the core beliefs of Muslims, unlike the Qadiani assertion of having Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as a "prophet" and "messenger" of Allah.
Individuals may curse various figures in Islamic history, but that is not sanctioned nor approved by Shia religious leaders. Insulting the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and associating false "prophets" with the religion he formed are not trivial expressions of approval or disapproval for Muslims. ALL Muslims agree that the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is the central person in the religion of Islam and is the LAST Messenger of Allah.
{"Explain this to me:"}
I will try, but your comprehension of rational explanations is characteristically below average.
{"- which community in Pakistan is being persecuted (Ahmadis or Sunnis???)"}
In Pakistan, all communities are persecuted due to military rule, mindless suicide bombings, and lack of adherence to civilized manner of interaction among diverse groups. Having said that, it is correct to state that ALL minorities in Pakistan, including the Qadianis, Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians are better protected physically and materially in comparison to Muslims in India, especially in Gujarat and Mumbai.
{"- which community is singled out in terms of legislation (Ahmadis or Sunnis???)"}
Again, all communities are suffering from the lack of effective legislation, and more importantly, the lack of enforcement of existing laws. If you are specifically referring to the 1974 legislation declaring Qadianis to be non-Muslims, then you must appreciate the wisdom of that act. It is far better to resolve the dispute through legislation than to fight it out in the streets. The overwhelming majorities of Pakistanis and Muslims do not consider Qadianis to be Muslim - thanks to their blasphemous statements against the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and their insistence on having Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as a "prophet."
{"- which community is discriminated against in Pakistan (Ahmadis or Sunnis???)"}
If anyone is discriminated in Pakistan, it is the poor, the uneducated, and the lower classes. Qadianis, because of their stature as Punjabis, albeit non-Muslims, have a much higher standard of living than the rural Muslim masses in Sindh, NWFP, Baluchistan.
{"- which community cant write a Kalma on its mosque (nor can call it a mosque)"}
Naturally, as non-Muslims and proven blasphemers against the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and Islam, Qadianis are not allowed to ridicule the Last Messenger (PBUH) and his religion. It is only rational that insulting the Kalima or the Muslim place of worship by mimicking them and infringing upon these traditional symbols of Islam should be prohibited in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
{"and an idiot like you is worried about some stupid cartoons. Wao. You sure have your priorities very straight."}
Now, you get to the crux of the problem. This is the area where Qadianis and Muslims differ distinctly. The sanctity of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is of the highest priority for almost all Muslims. To me, the name and stature of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) are more important than Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UN, or any concept other than God Himself.
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{"Salim, there is something inherently wrong with you, that’s why I don’t blame you. People usually start drinking after they get married. You just do everything backwards. There is hope that one day you will convert to the real Islam – Ahmadiyyah."}
Mr. Kulharee,
Don't hold your breath. There is a far greater chance of you becoming a nun than I becoming a Qadiani.
{"and we all know what made salim change his views and become such a big defender of mo.."}
Arjun,
By now you may have realized that I am a devout, loyal, grateful, and genuine follower of the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). He is central to my thoughts, my beliefs, my actions, even my mere existence. I would much rather call myself a Mohammedan, because I respect the Holy Prophet (PBUH) to a degree just short of worship.
Naturally, anyone who insults my Holy Prophet (PBUH) is not going to be my friend and any cause, faith, individual, entity, or organization that condones, encourages, and especially commits such blasphemy is not going find me the least bit compassionate about its interests. I think I stated that very clearly.
Now, you can appreciate why certain Hindus, Qadianis, and even so-called Muslims and Pakistanis are on my shit list.
{"and we all know what made salim change his views and become such a big defender of mo..it's the whole on again off again relationship he's had...with the bottle.. "}
Arjun,
I would like to stay away from discussing personal issues. Since you brought up the matter of the bottle, I am pleased to inform you that, thanks to my wife, I have not consumed any alcohol in over three years. When I made the comments sympathetic to Qadianis, I was abstaining from alcohol just as much as I avoid the stuff today. While I did drink frequently during my early youth, I was never an alcoholic and any charges of such connotation are baseless.
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