The Interview
Rajesh Shankaran February 26, 2006
#49 Posted by jay1 on March 3, 2006 6:05:21 am
#48..
may peace be upon both of us!! :)
swarrier you seem to be a noble guy!
This is the problem..
people take ``fact pointing`` as personal attacks especially in the ``green world``!
And that is the point i am making ..unless there is tolerance for dissent (even for the heck of it), no progress is possible.
Krishna`s ``satyam apriyam na brooyat`` applies, but i hate to conform to that.
That is a politician`s point of view..``dont disenchant the masses`` etc.
If only indians called a spade a spade, half the ``minority kat kat`` would be solved!
Other wise this pandering to vote banks, and pseudo secularism will lead to endless trouble.
People who ``demand`` thing MUST understand ``tali ek hath se nahi bajaa karti``.
No point in ``taka take`` all the time with no ``give``!
Minorities clamouring for ``sameness`` at one place, cant clamour for ``special treatment`` at some other place. (that is what is happening in india with impunity..``1000 rs /dish biryanis for haj yatris and what for the amarnath yatris? think about this ...)
Jayen
may peace be upon both of us!! :)
swarrier you seem to be a noble guy!
This is the problem..
people take ``fact pointing`` as personal attacks especially in the ``green world``!
And that is the point i am making ..unless there is tolerance for dissent (even for the heck of it), no progress is possible.
Krishna`s ``satyam apriyam na brooyat`` applies, but i hate to conform to that.
That is a politician`s point of view..``dont disenchant the masses`` etc.
If only indians called a spade a spade, half the ``minority kat kat`` would be solved!
Other wise this pandering to vote banks, and pseudo secularism will lead to endless trouble.
People who ``demand`` thing MUST understand ``tali ek hath se nahi bajaa karti``.
No point in ``taka take`` all the time with no ``give``!
Minorities clamouring for ``sameness`` at one place, cant clamour for ``special treatment`` at some other place. (that is what is happening in india with impunity..``1000 rs /dish biryanis for haj yatris and what for the amarnath yatris? think about this ...)
Jayen
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#48 Posted by swarrier on March 2, 2006 10:29:43 am
Re: # 47
My dear chap, some of your sentiments are quite admirable and some of your statements are true. However all I`m saying is (and which you no doubt agree) all people aren`t the same and this is only a tale spun by Rajesh. And you`ve scared everybody off this story. I bet Rajesh hates us both.)))
My dear chap, some of your sentiments are quite admirable and some of your statements are true. However all I`m saying is (and which you no doubt agree) all people aren`t the same and this is only a tale spun by Rajesh. And you`ve scared everybody off this story. I bet Rajesh hates us both.)))
#47 Posted by jay1 on March 2, 2006 10:09:08 am
#44..
regarding fighting..
who says i am fighting?
I am only ``showing`` you some ``bad`` facts! (bad to your liking that is! )
and regarding fighting etc, i am doing my thing well on this site.
Muhammad proper would be a sad man if he were alive today!
What have his followers turned into, cut throats, hate mongers and likeer ke fakeers?
On a science forum i had this ``islamic student`` girl aggressively asking me the koran foretells that the earth will stop rotating on such and such a day, what do you say to that?
well i gave her a piece of my mind since she asked for it.
I told her the arabs who ruled spain and founded such exquisite cities as granada in spain, that had street lighting and public baths 1000 years ago, were NOT this breed we see now..no construction all destrcution!!
They civilised europe and made them so green with envy that the europeans literally had the renaissance forced on them!
Too bad their progeny is mired too deep in self flagellation and bigotry.
The hindus in a parallel were forced out of their stupor by ram mohan roy and dayanand saraswati to a very large extent.
Where are their islamic equivalents?
In spiritualism there is a golden rule..unless the shishya is ready the guru does not appear!
well in this case trhe shishyas will take long for the guru to appear it seems.
Jayen
regarding fighting..
who says i am fighting?
I am only ``showing`` you some ``bad`` facts! (bad to your liking that is! )
and regarding fighting etc, i am doing my thing well on this site.
Muhammad proper would be a sad man if he were alive today!
What have his followers turned into, cut throats, hate mongers and likeer ke fakeers?
On a science forum i had this ``islamic student`` girl aggressively asking me the koran foretells that the earth will stop rotating on such and such a day, what do you say to that?
well i gave her a piece of my mind since she asked for it.
I told her the arabs who ruled spain and founded such exquisite cities as granada in spain, that had street lighting and public baths 1000 years ago, were NOT this breed we see now..no construction all destrcution!!
They civilised europe and made them so green with envy that the europeans literally had the renaissance forced on them!
Too bad their progeny is mired too deep in self flagellation and bigotry.
The hindus in a parallel were forced out of their stupor by ram mohan roy and dayanand saraswati to a very large extent.
Where are their islamic equivalents?
In spiritualism there is a golden rule..unless the shishya is ready the guru does not appear!
well in this case trhe shishyas will take long for the guru to appear it seems.
Jayen
#46 Posted by jay1 on March 2, 2006 9:57:18 am
Hi
#44..wow! that is refreshing..you might get a feeling oh i am on the right side! well you are, but you are still an exception.
secondly a guy like you should not be missing the obvious point! why had rajiv gandhi to intervene?
Do you know the muslim personal law board had created such a ruckus about that case?
Oh but being a ``fashionably secular guy`` you would only fault rajiv gandhi (peace be upon him) :)
You WOULDNT be caught saying anything BAD about the muslim personal law board would you?
Who knows you would be the next guy they would be scalping? so selective in amnesia!
Secondly the guys who killed 100s of indians over a silly mosque, are brazenly silent over that shia ``resting place of imams`` that was destroyed by sunni fundos!
Wow ! i beg you to take a stand on that?
Oh but you would ofcourse say ``woh unka mamla hai! ``
a 1000 ways of quoting the bible when things get too close for comfort!
Jayen
#44..wow! that is refreshing..you might get a feeling oh i am on the right side! well you are, but you are still an exception.
secondly a guy like you should not be missing the obvious point! why had rajiv gandhi to intervene?
Do you know the muslim personal law board had created such a ruckus about that case?
Oh but being a ``fashionably secular guy`` you would only fault rajiv gandhi (peace be upon him) :)
You WOULDNT be caught saying anything BAD about the muslim personal law board would you?
Who knows you would be the next guy they would be scalping? so selective in amnesia!
Secondly the guys who killed 100s of indians over a silly mosque, are brazenly silent over that shia ``resting place of imams`` that was destroyed by sunni fundos!
Wow ! i beg you to take a stand on that?
Oh but you would ofcourse say ``woh unka mamla hai! ``
a 1000 ways of quoting the bible when things get too close for comfort!
Jayen
#45 Posted by swarrier on March 2, 2006 7:14:56 am
Re: # 44
His name is Aditya. It`s Sanskrit. I hope you would know that. It means Lord of the Sun. Is that good enough for you?
Now let`s keep this short. If you don`t have any more opinions of the story you can join fights in other places on chowk. There are plenty of areas.
The Shah Bano case, if you remember , the court`s verdict was overturned by Rajiv Gandhi and his cronies due to politiical reasons. All it did was prevent a poor old Muslim woman from getting some money to live a life.
Don`t tar everybody with the same brush.
Adios
His name is Aditya. It`s Sanskrit. I hope you would know that. It means Lord of the Sun. Is that good enough for you?
Now let`s keep this short. If you don`t have any more opinions of the story you can join fights in other places on chowk. There are plenty of areas.
The Shah Bano case, if you remember , the court`s verdict was overturned by Rajiv Gandhi and his cronies due to politiical reasons. All it did was prevent a poor old Muslim woman from getting some money to live a life.
Don`t tar everybody with the same brush.
Adios
#44 Posted by jay1 on March 2, 2006 6:00:38 am
#43 ..
No idea where you stand in the social pecking order..
normally people low down and way up are always liberal.
for the low down ones it does not matter..poor souls that they are..
for the high andd mighty..they dont care!
It is the ``poor`` middle class that carries the baggage.
I would be pleasantly surprised if your nephew had a hindu name! (most likely not).
THAT IS THE TEST ..HOW MUCH ARE THE MUSLIMS READY TO LET GO TO ASSIMILATE.
After all we do have thousands of christian ``sudhakars`` and ``ashas``..but sadly one NEVER comes across muslims with indian names. (read hindu not because i am a chauvinist but because these are secular irreligous names springing out of thousands of years of ``local`` civilisation) ..BUT MUSLIMS love to show they are different.
Hence the stupid opposition to amending the personal law for the muslims (shah bano if you remember).
Again if you undertake a study..90% cases are such, where non-muslim spouses are ``forced`` to convert. (forced implying ``shadi karni hai to ...vegairah vagarah..vagairah which i have come to call the ``or else!`` factor)
Jayen
No idea where you stand in the social pecking order..
normally people low down and way up are always liberal.
for the low down ones it does not matter..poor souls that they are..
for the high andd mighty..they dont care!
It is the ``poor`` middle class that carries the baggage.
I would be pleasantly surprised if your nephew had a hindu name! (most likely not).
THAT IS THE TEST ..HOW MUCH ARE THE MUSLIMS READY TO LET GO TO ASSIMILATE.
After all we do have thousands of christian ``sudhakars`` and ``ashas``..but sadly one NEVER comes across muslims with indian names. (read hindu not because i am a chauvinist but because these are secular irreligous names springing out of thousands of years of ``local`` civilisation) ..BUT MUSLIMS love to show they are different.
Hence the stupid opposition to amending the personal law for the muslims (shah bano if you remember).
Again if you undertake a study..90% cases are such, where non-muslim spouses are ``forced`` to convert. (forced implying ``shadi karni hai to ...vegairah vagarah..vagairah which i have come to call the ``or else!`` factor)
Jayen
#43 Posted by swarrier on March 1, 2006 6:49:44 am
Re: # 42
Actually Rajesh what you have labelled heroism here would be labelled as passivity. If you want to look at the characters themselves Rohit does not come across as a hero. He comes comes across more as a bigot. Now if Rohit had said the same thing in a room where there was even one Muslim then we could argue that he had courage of his convictions nothing more. That would still not make him a hero though. But he said this in a room where there were no Muslims as far as I can make out.
As for Ranjana you can admire her as well as her husband for breaking conventions. But not heroism. How about having the not present husband as the hero. He could have defied his family? I speak from experience here.
My cousin is married to a Muslim. The opposition to the marriage came from his family not hers. His family was originally bothered about him marrying into a non Muslim family.
I agree with the characterisation of the the narrator. A shiftless individual like most of us are. As Tara Deshpande said in Bombay Boys, ``not hero material yaar``.
And Jay1 . My cousin has not converted. She has a son and my nephew is perfectly happy without any religious baggage.
Actually Rajesh what you have labelled heroism here would be labelled as passivity. If you want to look at the characters themselves Rohit does not come across as a hero. He comes comes across more as a bigot. Now if Rohit had said the same thing in a room where there was even one Muslim then we could argue that he had courage of his convictions nothing more. That would still not make him a hero though. But he said this in a room where there were no Muslims as far as I can make out.
As for Ranjana you can admire her as well as her husband for breaking conventions. But not heroism. How about having the not present husband as the hero. He could have defied his family? I speak from experience here.
My cousin is married to a Muslim. The opposition to the marriage came from his family not hers. His family was originally bothered about him marrying into a non Muslim family.
I agree with the characterisation of the the narrator. A shiftless individual like most of us are. As Tara Deshpande said in Bombay Boys, ``not hero material yaar``.
And Jay1 . My cousin has not converted. She has a son and my nephew is perfectly happy without any religious baggage.
#42 Posted by rajesh_shankara on March 1, 2006 4:20:47 am
It is an admission of failure for an author to have to issue addendum to his story. On that note -
1.The heroes of the story to me are Rohit and Ranjana. They have broken convention and taken a stand. Rohit does not go after Islam (no reference to beards, mullahs or terrorists). He argues with facts or atleast figures. One reader told me she thinks the story is phony because no one today could air such thoughts in public. If that is true, Rohit is to lauded all the more.
2.Adrian is audience surrogate and also to highlight the difference between perception of Christians and Muslims among Hindus
3.The narrating character claims to be close to the directors. He admits to being well-paid in a company that cannot pay very well. Yet he is willing to play the sad nice loser. This way he carries no guilt and yet protects his cosy turf. I think we have too many of such characters and not enough Rohits and Ranjanas in society.
To me a Narendra Modi or OBL are far more honest, in telling us where they stand, than the secularists who fill our papers and channels each day. I suppose this was too ambiguous / subtle / buried in all that text.
1.The heroes of the story to me are Rohit and Ranjana. They have broken convention and taken a stand. Rohit does not go after Islam (no reference to beards, mullahs or terrorists). He argues with facts or atleast figures. One reader told me she thinks the story is phony because no one today could air such thoughts in public. If that is true, Rohit is to lauded all the more.
2.Adrian is audience surrogate and also to highlight the difference between perception of Christians and Muslims among Hindus
3.The narrating character claims to be close to the directors. He admits to being well-paid in a company that cannot pay very well. Yet he is willing to play the sad nice loser. This way he carries no guilt and yet protects his cosy turf. I think we have too many of such characters and not enough Rohits and Ranjanas in society.
To me a Narendra Modi or OBL are far more honest, in telling us where they stand, than the secularists who fill our papers and channels each day. I suppose this was too ambiguous / subtle / buried in all that text.
#41 Posted by jay1 on March 1, 2006 1:51:13 am
hi all,
If you will note i have nowhere said ISLAM per se is bad,
I berate its benighted followers only.
any problem with that?
YOU WILL NOT FIND ME GOING ``COW-PEE DRINKER`` equivalent to muslims anywhere on this site. THAT LOW level is reserved for the paki guys like ``whats his name`` in another area on this site.
Mine is strictly an intellectual debate.
I have been unsparing of hindus too where they need to change.
I have watched hours of debate on ptv and geo and ary.
It is always onesided, tomtoming of govt lines and alway ``islam is right and great and the rest of the world is wrong.
anjalipurohit..my ire is mainly on this count.
Many hindutva guys claim ``in the end india will rule the world``!
Wow! what makes indians so special?
But this forum is about muslims mainly so you see only my muslim critique.
#38..
I never said so amywhere..
My point is ..and you wont be able to refute it..
when the barbri mosque (where no one had offered namaz for years earlier) was destroyed, we got the serial bomb blasts from ``gaddaar`` muslims.
When the mosques in iraq were destroyed not even a whimper of protest in India! or Pakistan!
Now any self respecting indian OUGHT to think about that and be angry at the double standards involved within this otherwise DEMANDING community..what have you to say to that?
#39..
Exceptions always prove the rule.
#40..
You represent the ``fashionably`` secular indian..
Blissfully unaware of what is cooking in the country around you.
People of one community can bomb your country, kill its cityzens under ``percieved grivance`` that are often contrived in nature, their mullahs may preach separatism..
Oh but you HAVE to be seen on YOUR HIGH HORSE dont you?
This is what happened to rome just before its demise..concession after concession was given to buy off the barbarians at the gates.
But there were simply too many of them and their greed insatiable.
The inevitable collapse came thanks to people like you.
Else where on this site i have typical muslim responses like ``you cow-pee drinker`` etc.
But #40 will be so habituated to that that she most probably think..``muslims will be muslims``...along the lines of boys will be boys and just continue being her ``good shining self``..
By the way have you read the koran and the bible or for the matter any upanishads?
I have. so i am NOT communal.
I have lived with achhoots, literally sleeping in same room, eaten ``non-veg`` stuff in a muslim home, and have muslim friends.
BUT I CALL A SPADE A SPADE.
Jayen
If you will note i have nowhere said ISLAM per se is bad,
I berate its benighted followers only.
any problem with that?
YOU WILL NOT FIND ME GOING ``COW-PEE DRINKER`` equivalent to muslims anywhere on this site. THAT LOW level is reserved for the paki guys like ``whats his name`` in another area on this site.
Mine is strictly an intellectual debate.
I have been unsparing of hindus too where they need to change.
I have watched hours of debate on ptv and geo and ary.
It is always onesided, tomtoming of govt lines and alway ``islam is right and great and the rest of the world is wrong.
anjalipurohit..my ire is mainly on this count.
Many hindutva guys claim ``in the end india will rule the world``!
Wow! what makes indians so special?
But this forum is about muslims mainly so you see only my muslim critique.
#38..
I never said so amywhere..
My point is ..and you wont be able to refute it..
when the barbri mosque (where no one had offered namaz for years earlier) was destroyed, we got the serial bomb blasts from ``gaddaar`` muslims.
When the mosques in iraq were destroyed not even a whimper of protest in India! or Pakistan!
Now any self respecting indian OUGHT to think about that and be angry at the double standards involved within this otherwise DEMANDING community..what have you to say to that?
#39..
Exceptions always prove the rule.
#40..
You represent the ``fashionably`` secular indian..
Blissfully unaware of what is cooking in the country around you.
People of one community can bomb your country, kill its cityzens under ``percieved grivance`` that are often contrived in nature, their mullahs may preach separatism..
Oh but you HAVE to be seen on YOUR HIGH HORSE dont you?
This is what happened to rome just before its demise..concession after concession was given to buy off the barbarians at the gates.
But there were simply too many of them and their greed insatiable.
The inevitable collapse came thanks to people like you.
Else where on this site i have typical muslim responses like ``you cow-pee drinker`` etc.
But #40 will be so habituated to that that she most probably think..``muslims will be muslims``...along the lines of boys will be boys and just continue being her ``good shining self``..
By the way have you read the koran and the bible or for the matter any upanishads?
I have. so i am NOT communal.
I have lived with achhoots, literally sleeping in same room, eaten ``non-veg`` stuff in a muslim home, and have muslim friends.
BUT I CALL A SPADE A SPADE.
Jayen
#40 Posted by anjalipurohit on February 28, 2006 10:33:25 pm
Re: # 37
Communalism was introduced in the subcontinent by the British to divide the people and keep them from rising against the rulers.
Again today the same divisions are sharpened for the very same reason.
By unleashing your vitriol you are only submitting to the designs of cynical exploiters not worthy of belonging to any faith who claim they represent a religion but in fact are a blot on its teachings.
But then there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Please do try to see beyond deciept.
Communalism was introduced in the subcontinent by the British to divide the people and keep them from rising against the rulers.
Again today the same divisions are sharpened for the very same reason.
By unleashing your vitriol you are only submitting to the designs of cynical exploiters not worthy of belonging to any faith who claim they represent a religion but in fact are a blot on its teachings.
But then there are none so blind as those who will not see.
Please do try to see beyond deciept.
#39 Posted by amansandhu on February 28, 2006 4:41:05 pm
I know two couples in Delhi. One a hindu girl married to a muslim guy and another a muslim girl married to a hindu guy. I have never felt them to be anything else than Indians. The muslim guy and the muslim girl behave like any other modern Indian.
#38 Posted by wahi_to on February 28, 2006 3:24:40 pm
Re: # 37
jay you need to chill down. take few deep breaths and relax. there is too much anger and maybe hatred in you.
now let me ask you. personally has any muslim ever hurt you in any way. have you been harrassed by them, have they ridiculed your religion or hurt you in any way?
jay you need to chill down. take few deep breaths and relax. there is too much anger and maybe hatred in you.
now let me ask you. personally has any muslim ever hurt you in any way. have you been harrassed by them, have they ridiculed your religion or hurt you in any way?
#37 Posted by jay1 on February 28, 2006 12:31:34 pm
Hi swarrier,
This is a good article.
Because, the author has written in a consistent narrative style, and his characters dont ``change traits`` like a chameleon..as happens in many badly written pieces.
In a good story, any character portrayed, must be consistent in its behaviour, once it has been displayed to belong to a type as such.
example:- the ``bad guy`` sulks ``hum mar gaye the kya`` ..and true to his type, rejects the girl.
It would be b bad story if the fellow ``suddenly improved`` and hired the girl. THAT would be inconsistent and contrived ..like the happy endings in many hindi movies..[Parinda was a happy exception. I was stunned when madhuri dixit and anil kapoor are gunned down just when they are ``at it``! No hindi movie had dared do that much any time earlier]..
so rest happy i am not cribbing about his quality of work..i am cribbing at the way the other two ``good guys`` are shown doing their thing..including the first person protagonist!
It has become fashionable in the secular world to PANDER to minority communities no matter how narrow and intolerant those very communities are!
Each new concession is percieved as a ``weakness``. Dont get me wrong!
the slogan ``hans ke liya pakistan...lad ke lenge hindustan`` says it all.
we have given them MOST FAVOURED NATION status, and the guys have the gall NOT to do so, and will grudgingly do so thanks only to the WTO, which makes it obligatory.
Look what happened in france ..the looting and burning..it is always ``we are poor ..give us money ..give us concessions..or else!!
it is ALWAYS ``OR ELSE``.
That is the sad part.
Aram to farmana hai, ``loot`` to chahiye..par kAM nahi karna hai``
is the order of the day.
The other day i visited pakistanidefenceforum.com one of those ``world-bashing-islam is great`` sites!
Imagine what one of the experts was propagating there!
CONVEY AND CONVINCE THE INDIANS THAT WE WILL NUKE THEM IF ANY OTHER COUNTRY ATTACKS US!
WHY?
SO THEY WILL FIGHT TO SAVE US!!
WOW! islamic dadagiri at its best or worst?
jayen
This is a good article.
Because, the author has written in a consistent narrative style, and his characters dont ``change traits`` like a chameleon..as happens in many badly written pieces.
In a good story, any character portrayed, must be consistent in its behaviour, once it has been displayed to belong to a type as such.
example:- the ``bad guy`` sulks ``hum mar gaye the kya`` ..and true to his type, rejects the girl.
It would be b bad story if the fellow ``suddenly improved`` and hired the girl. THAT would be inconsistent and contrived ..like the happy endings in many hindi movies..[Parinda was a happy exception. I was stunned when madhuri dixit and anil kapoor are gunned down just when they are ``at it``! No hindi movie had dared do that much any time earlier]..
so rest happy i am not cribbing about his quality of work..i am cribbing at the way the other two ``good guys`` are shown doing their thing..including the first person protagonist!
It has become fashionable in the secular world to PANDER to minority communities no matter how narrow and intolerant those very communities are!
Each new concession is percieved as a ``weakness``. Dont get me wrong!
the slogan ``hans ke liya pakistan...lad ke lenge hindustan`` says it all.
we have given them MOST FAVOURED NATION status, and the guys have the gall NOT to do so, and will grudgingly do so thanks only to the WTO, which makes it obligatory.
Look what happened in france ..the looting and burning..it is always ``we are poor ..give us money ..give us concessions..or else!!
it is ALWAYS ``OR ELSE``.
That is the sad part.
Aram to farmana hai, ``loot`` to chahiye..par kAM nahi karna hai``
is the order of the day.
The other day i visited pakistanidefenceforum.com one of those ``world-bashing-islam is great`` sites!
Imagine what one of the experts was propagating there!
CONVEY AND CONVINCE THE INDIANS THAT WE WILL NUKE THEM IF ANY OTHER COUNTRY ATTACKS US!
WHY?
SO THEY WILL FIGHT TO SAVE US!!
WOW! islamic dadagiri at its best or worst?
jayen
#36 Posted by swarrier on February 28, 2006 10:50:29 am
Re: # 35
So jay1 what`s your opinion about the story? Is it well written? Does it have flaws ?
So jay1 what`s your opinion about the story? Is it well written? Does it have flaws ?
#35 Posted by jay1 on February 28, 2006 10:44:20 am
post 34:- haha! Defanged is the word!
Wow! good keep up the attitude!
i believe elsewhere on this site there is some discussion on ``humor`` in the muslim world!
Only the other day i had a guy threatening me with ``muslim anger`` just in the course of a minor discussion!
Man! humor is in short supply in some quarters surely!!
jayen
Wow! good keep up the attitude!
i believe elsewhere on this site there is some discussion on ``humor`` in the muslim world!
Only the other day i had a guy threatening me with ``muslim anger`` just in the course of a minor discussion!
Man! humor is in short supply in some quarters surely!!
jayen
#34 Posted by masanamuthu on February 28, 2006 10:09:00 am
jay:
cool down dude.. i was talking about the ``poor management decision`` of a 15 member company to lose a talented employee. Ideally it should not matter if she sleeps with a dog / man / another female.. How does that going to affect her work?.
I don`t like to get involved with ``religious fights`` though i do get dragged all the times.. First of all, if people spend some time to know more about ``religions``, they would realise they have been taken for a ride all these years.. Especially this ``arab imperialist cult`` is started by a ``smart arab dude`` who had lots of ``fun`` in his later years..
It is better to ``defang`` all these religions.. Christianity has been defangued for a few centuries and Hinduism is work in progress (maybe midway), and it just got started for this other ``cult``.. So don`t worry..
cool down dude.. i was talking about the ``poor management decision`` of a 15 member company to lose a talented employee. Ideally it should not matter if she sleeps with a dog / man / another female.. How does that going to affect her work?.
I don`t like to get involved with ``religious fights`` though i do get dragged all the times.. First of all, if people spend some time to know more about ``religions``, they would realise they have been taken for a ride all these years.. Especially this ``arab imperialist cult`` is started by a ``smart arab dude`` who had lots of ``fun`` in his later years..
It is better to ``defang`` all these religions.. Christianity has been defangued for a few centuries and Hinduism is work in progress (maybe midway), and it just got started for this other ``cult``.. So don`t worry..
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