The Violent Face of South Asia

Re: # 222
samosa, heres the rest of the article : Josef Stalin`s repressive state killed some 14 million Russians, at a conservative estimate, while Mao Zedong`s Great Leap Forward and the subsequent Cultural Revolution is said to have caused some 40 million Chinese deaths. The Jews estimate that Hitler -- who many describe as an atheist -- though I have my doubts -- systematically killed over 6 million of their people. I put Hitler`s Holocaust in the first list of `religious` atrocities because it was aimed primarily against a particular religion.

Clearly the Stalin and the Chinese were nt killing on the basis of any religious ideology, while Hitler, as has been pointed out time and again, was in cohoots with the Pope of Vatican.

Let us be clear on this point that religion did not form the basis of violence in these said conflicts, (just as Saddams was an Iraqi more than mulsim)

parthaabjee
you were asking for the numbers on www for the number of people killed during cultural revolution in China.
Do visit the following url:
http://ia.rediff.com/news/2005/dec/15ram.htm

Following is an excert from this article about your favourite mao and stalin.

Josef Stalin`s repressive state killed some 14 million Russians, at a conservative estimate, while Mao Zedong`s Great Leap Forward and the subsequent Cultural Revolution is said to have caused some 40 million Chinese deaths.

GT #220: No thanks for your patience. Clearly I do not know as much as you do about Modi, the cases in the courts or even the 1984 massacre of Sikhs to get a handle on things. When BJP accuses Congress goons of pre-planning the riots, it is partisan politics in my view.
One thing we can all agree on that India does not need Delhi or Godhra again.

Maoists are a different matter though. I do not agree with Mr. Kamath to spare them and wait for jobs and bank accounts. Let us make all Maoists into a big ladder and burn them; Ok, maybe one at a time.)

Re: # 213

mannyd

I have learned the following from my interaction with you:

1. We need to be patient with language. By clarifying meanings we may often end up agreeing even if initially one feels that this is not possible.

2. A lot of people will agree to provide Modi with a fair trial: those who feel he is guilty; those who feel he is not (and hence put a stop to the issue); those who are agnostic but feel that the issue should be put to rest one way or the other. The only people who would (I think) disagree would be those who are sure of his guilt.

If you want we can carry on this discussion or we can stop it.

Thanks for your patience.

Parthaab:LOL...Let`s make a Maoist into a ladder and then burn him.)))

Mannyd,

You are still not clear on why you hate communism. Amerikan propaganda has given communism a bad name. I d assume that could be the reason.

Parthaab #216: It is alright Parthaab. It is only temporary. You are only at your wits` end. You`ll recover soon enough if you invoke your Messiah Mao`s name often enough.

Mannyd,

You are still not clear on why you hate communism. Amerikan propaganda has given communism a bad name. I d assume that could be the reason.

Parthaab Sahib 207 and 210: Is that an echo in here, in here? Or are you playing the master baitor?
OK the answers are:
I am very clear about what I hate and why. Pretty good propaganda if Russians and Chinese believed Communism to be bad, besides myself. Your assumption is wrong.

One way to try witches according to Monty Python`s Holy grail:

``They pass a group of villagers who are dragging a beautiful YOUNG WOMAN dressed as a witch through the streets. They drag her to a strange house/ruin standing on a hill outside the village. A strange-looking knight stands outside, SIR BEDEVERE.

FIRST VILLAGER: We have found a witch. May we burn her?

ALL: A Witch! Burn her!

BEDEVERE: How do you know she is a witch?

ALL: She looks like one. Yes, she does.

BEDEVERE: Bring her forward.

They bring her forward - a beautiful YOUNG GIRL (MISS ISLINGTON) dressed up as a witch.

WITCH: I am not a witch. I am not a witch.

BEDEVERE: But you are dressed as one.

WITCH: They dressed me up like this.

ALL: We didn`t, we didn`t!

WITCH: This is not my nose, It is a false one.

BEDEVERE takes her nose off.

BEDEVERE: Well?

FIRST VILLAGER: ... Well, we did do the nose.

BEDEVERE: The nose?

FIRST VILLAGER: And the hat. But she is a witch.

ALL: A witch, a witch, burn her!

BEDEVERE: Did you dress her up like this?

FIRST VILLAGER: Um ... Yes ... no ... a bit ... yes... she has got a wart.

BEDEVERE: Why do you think she is a witch?

SECOND VILLAGER: She turned me into a newt.

BEDEVERE: A newt?

SECOND VILLAGER: (After looking at himself for some time) I got better.

ALL: Burn her anyway.

BEDEVERE: Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.

ALL: There are? Tell us. What are they, wise Sir Bedevere?

BEDEVERE: Tell me ... what do you do with witches?
ALL: Burn them.
BEDEVERE: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
FOURTH VILLAGER: ... Wood?
BEDEVERE: So why do witches burn?
SECOND VILLAGER: (pianissimo) ... Because they`re made of wood...?
BEDEVERE: Good.
PEASANTS stir uneasily then come round to this conclusion.
ALL: I see. Yes, of course.
BEDEVERE: So how can we tell if she is made of wood?
FIRST VILLAGER: Make a bridge out of her.
BEDEVERE: Ah ... but can you not also make bridges out of stone?
ALL: Ah. Yes, of course ... um ... err ...
BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?
ALL: No, no, It floats. Throw her in the pond Tie weights on her. To the pond.
BEDEVERE: Wait. Wait ... tell me, what also floats on water?
ALL: Bread? No, no, no. Apples .... gravy ... very small rocks ...
ARTHUR: A duck.
They all turn and look at ARTHUR. BEDEVERE looks up very impressed.
BEDEVERE: Exactly. So... logically ...
FIRST VILLAGER: (beginning to pick up the thread) If she ... weighs the same as a duck ... she`s made of wood.
BEDEVERE: And therefore?
ALL: A witch! ... A duck! A duck! Fetch a duck.
FOURTH VILLAGER: Here is a duck, Sir Bedevere.
BEDEVERE: We shall use my largest scales.
He leads them a few yards to a very strange contraption indeed, made of wood and rope and leather. They put the GIRL in one pan and the duck in another. Each pan is supported by a wooden stave. BEDEVERE checks each pan then ... ARTHUR looks on with interest.

BEDEVERE: Remove the supports.

Two PEASANTS knock them away with sledge hammers. The GIRL and the duck swing slightly but balance perfectly.

ALL: A witch! A witch!

WITCH: It`s a fair cop.

All: Burn her! Burn her! Let`s make her into a ladder.``

LOL...Let`s make a Maoist into a ladder and then burn him.)))

#209: GT Sahib: Yes a fair trial for Modi is better than a wirchhunting mob in the press. Thanks for pointing out the two points anout the legal system in India, I do not think they are minor quibbles. Twelve non-lawyer type peers, who do not have preconceived idea about the accused`s guilt are always better than one wise judge. Imagine Judge Parthaab, such a wise and intellignet sage that he is no doubt, tryimg me for the crime of reading conter-revolutionary material. He would use a Rampuri Chaku himself and save the cost of a trial and a rope. `Beyond reasonable doubt` depends on the charges pressed against him. Anyhow we can talk about it when Parthaab sends in his article on Gujrat.

Re: # 210
parthaab, do you consider Chinese government as a Communist or Totalitarian & Authoritarian party?

simran, this is for you:

http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=191913&n_date=20051215&cat=India

``Nearly matching the fertiliser industry estimates of additional requirements of Rs 6,000 crore, the Chemicals and Fertilizers Ministry has sought an additional fertiliser subsidy of around Rs 5,500 crore over the budgetary provision of Rs 16,253 crore for 2005-06.

The revised official estimates have overshot the budgetary assessment resulting in the subsidy bill crossing Rs 21,000 crore, Chemicals and Fertilisers Minister Ram Vilas Paswan told mediapersons here today.``

Mannyd,

You are still not clear on why you hate communism. Amerikan propaganda has given communism a bad name. I d assume that could be the reason.

Re: # 200

Mannyd,

OK so you agree that Modi should have a `fair` trial?

p.s. (1) In India you do not have juries; (2) Beyond reasonable doubt is not always the criterion, sometimes you have preponderance of evidence. Anyway (1) and (2) are quibbles.

207: Parthaab: Clarify it for me then please. Answer my questions in 200. Thanks.