M V Kamath December 7, 2005
#32 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 8, 2005 2:06:33 pm
#31, I agree with you, if the author is talking about Maoist violence in South Asia. He needs to adjust his title - in addiition to his myopic and one-sided view of things.
#31 Posted by jang on December 8, 2005 1:57:37 pm
#30 read my #25, i am suggesting that the author remove first 2 paragraphs since they have nothing to do with rest of the article. bringing in gujrat to ``balance`` will do nothing to the main argument in the article.
#30 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 8, 2005 1:42:37 pm
#27, Jang,
How can you talk about violence all around India (in Pakistan, in Nepal, in BD) and even in Bihar, W Bengal, MP, and then conveiently ignore the slaughters conducted in Gujrat and Bombay? Isn`t it analogous to count monkeys, and chimps, and langoors everywhere, but skip the two 800 lb gorillas making love in the front seat, right in front of you. Isn`t this Kamath fellow just too far-sighted?
How can you talk about violence all around India (in Pakistan, in Nepal, in BD) and even in Bihar, W Bengal, MP, and then conveiently ignore the slaughters conducted in Gujrat and Bombay? Isn`t it analogous to count monkeys, and chimps, and langoors everywhere, but skip the two 800 lb gorillas making love in the front seat, right in front of you. Isn`t this Kamath fellow just too far-sighted?
#29 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 8, 2005 1:28:40 pm
#27, Jang {``for example, i can say that it snows in winter in canada, without discussing the warm summers of the south-pacific.``}
Jang,
Nice try, my friend, but no coupie doll for you. :) The guy is talking about snowing in winter in Vancouver, Toronto, Quebec, Montreal, and even Buffalo and Detroit, but neglects to point out the obvious snow in Calgary, Edmonton, and Churchill.
Jang,
Nice try, my friend, but no coupie doll for you. :) The guy is talking about snowing in winter in Vancouver, Toronto, Quebec, Montreal, and even Buffalo and Detroit, but neglects to point out the obvious snow in Calgary, Edmonton, and Churchill.
#28 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 8, 2005 1:24:27 pm
#26, Parthaab {``This is plainly obvious in the above article, where the author unabashedly blames the muslims of neighbouring countries and the `Maoist` ( because they dont follow his strandof belief?), but has not written a word about right wing politics in India or the growth in the past decade of extreme right wing religious fundamentalists``}
Parthaab Bhai,
I was waiting for one, just one, honest Indian to recognize the lack of objectivity. Thank you, my friend, you have restored my faith in Indians. Even Kaal Bhai, along with Gujju and Jang, was mesmerized by the author rather than the article.
Parthaab Bhai,
I was waiting for one, just one, honest Indian to recognize the lack of objectivity. Thank you, my friend, you have restored my faith in Indians. Even Kaal Bhai, along with Gujju and Jang, was mesmerized by the author rather than the article.
#27 Posted by jang on December 8, 2005 1:21:46 pm
#24 salim while i agree that communal violence has gone on, i disagree that one needs to always seek balance for credibiltiy. and argument can stand on its own merit without any attempt at ``balance``. for example, i can say that it snows in winter in canada, without discussing the warm summers of the south-pacific.
#26 Posted by parthaab on December 8, 2005 1:18:15 pm
Religion has always been the force behinf Indian policy - external and internal. This is plainly obvious in the above article, where the author unabashedly blames the muslims of neighbouring countries and the `Maoist` ( because they dont follow his strandof belief?), but has not written a word about right wing politics in India or the growth in the past decade of extreme right wing religious fundamentalists - as much as in Pakistan or Bangladesh or in fact even USA for that matter( though not as overtly...)
#25 Posted by jang on December 8, 2005 1:07:59 pm
this article is flawed in that it starts with jihadi killings communal killings and then mostly focuses on maoist violence and discussion of how it needs to be adressed. there seems to be a disconnect. its almost as if the first 2 para of this article should be deleted.
#24 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 8, 2005 11:52:30 am
#23, Jang,
Oh! so if there is no mass killing, mass raping, mass looting, and mass burning at this very exact instant, it is not an on-going long term struggle or issue. Come on, Jang, please be fair. This communal killing has been on-going in India since the 40s - and 2002 is almost like yesterday, even this century.
Oh! so if there is no mass killing, mass raping, mass looting, and mass burning at this very exact instant, it is not an on-going long term struggle or issue. Come on, Jang, please be fair. This communal killing has been on-going in India since the 40s - and 2002 is almost like yesterday, even this century.
#23 Posted by jang on December 8, 2005 11:36:03 am
#16 by Salim_Chauhan
kamath is refereing to on-going long term struggles as a theme, and not just plain violence (e.g. he is not considering violence against women).
kamath is refereing to on-going long term struggles as a theme, and not just plain violence (e.g. he is not considering violence against women).
#22 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 8, 2005 11:14:51 am
Godot #21, {``However, “objectivity” is in very short supply. Not many are capable of riding that wild horse. It takes a lot of courage to be objective and very few have that courage.``}
Godot Bhai,
How true! It`s so easy to point a finger soaked in morality when judging your opponents. When the finger is equally wet, dripping with the juices of morality, while judging one`s own side, that`s when the wild horse has been broken. Alas, both Gujju and Atif2, not to mention Mr. Kamath, have tasted the dust.
Godot Bhai,
How true! It`s so easy to point a finger soaked in morality when judging your opponents. When the finger is equally wet, dripping with the juices of morality, while judging one`s own side, that`s when the wild horse has been broken. Alas, both Gujju and Atif2, not to mention Mr. Kamath, have tasted the dust.
#21 Posted by Godot on December 8, 2005 10:53:18 am
Re: # 19
Salim
“One way to establish credibility is by being objective…One of the first things I look for is the courage of people in facing the truth, no matter how badly it reflects on them or those they support.”
My thoughts are exactly the same. However, “objectivity” is in very short supply. Not many are capable of riding that wild horse. It takes a lot of courage to be objective and very few have that courage.
Salim
“One way to establish credibility is by being objective…One of the first things I look for is the courage of people in facing the truth, no matter how badly it reflects on them or those they support.”
My thoughts are exactly the same. However, “objectivity” is in very short supply. Not many are capable of riding that wild horse. It takes a lot of courage to be objective and very few have that courage.
#20 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 8, 2005 10:31:22 am
Gujju,
Repent now and apologize or you are no different than an Indian and Hindu version of Mullah Atif2. :)
Repent now and apologize or you are no different than an Indian and Hindu version of Mullah Atif2. :)
#19 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on December 8, 2005 10:29:40 am
#17, Gujju (and for that matter, Mr. Kamath),
One way to establish credibility is by being objective. Glossing over one side`s faults and enlarging your opponents` faux pas are easily detected as manifestations of jingoism and self-righteousness - and please don`t confuse that with any leftist, rightist, or centrist lablel.
One of the first things I look for is the courage of people in facing the truth, no matter how badly it reflects on them or those they support. It is hypocritical to blame Jihadists but protect your own fanatics - that just turns you into partisans. Just because I agree with you against Paki or Muslim fanaticism doesn`t mean that I will agree with you in support of Indian or Hindu fanaticism. Let the chips fall where they may - but I get to respect myself when I shave in the morning.
One way to establish credibility is by being objective. Glossing over one side`s faults and enlarging your opponents` faux pas are easily detected as manifestations of jingoism and self-righteousness - and please don`t confuse that with any leftist, rightist, or centrist lablel.
One of the first things I look for is the courage of people in facing the truth, no matter how badly it reflects on them or those they support. It is hypocritical to blame Jihadists but protect your own fanatics - that just turns you into partisans. Just because I agree with you against Paki or Muslim fanaticism doesn`t mean that I will agree with you in support of Indian or Hindu fanaticism. Let the chips fall where they may - but I get to respect myself when I shave in the morning.
#17 Posted by Ranger on December 8, 2005 10:03:17 am
Salim makes another grand display of his stupidity. Great.
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