mehul kamdar December 10, 2005
#146 Posted by imtiaz84 on December 13, 2005 2:17:02 am
Dear All,
I think the whole issue has not been understood properly.The first mistake was by the writer who while presenting the issue just mention the one side of the picture.Jews like all other communinities on earth comprised of heterogenous people good, moderate and bad. Same is the case with Muslims.No doubt, the issue of Palestine has alot to do with muslims feelings but there are so many places where Jews and muslims are working to gether and doing well.The hatered that is prevailing in the world against Jews is because their sense of supiriority which they derive from their regious beliefs.
I think the whole issue has not been understood properly.The first mistake was by the writer who while presenting the issue just mention the one side of the picture.Jews like all other communinities on earth comprised of heterogenous people good, moderate and bad. Same is the case with Muslims.No doubt, the issue of Palestine has alot to do with muslims feelings but there are so many places where Jews and muslims are working to gether and doing well.The hatered that is prevailing in the world against Jews is because their sense of supiriority which they derive from their regious beliefs.
#145 Posted by harish_hyd on December 13, 2005 12:21:32 am
#140 by ahmadzai
[This whole hatred has come about due to Isreal-Palestine situation, which we all agree is a political dispute rather than a religious one.]
For the Palestinians, it may be a political dispute, but for other Muslims, it IS a religious dispute and their support for the Palis stems from the fact that they are Muslims (at least overwhelmingly so) under non-Muslim (Jewish) occupation. Where Muslims are the perpetrators against Muslims (as in Darfur, Sudan or B`desh in 1971) or if the victims are non-Muslims (Hindus in Bangladesh), there isn`t so much as a squeak from the Ummah.
[Muslims of at least 1 strong muslim country viz. Turkey have proven that they don`t hate Jews.]
Doesn`t say much when you have only one example (4% of the entire Muslim population) to show. FYI, the Muslim population in the year 2003 stood at around 1704.03 million (http://www.islamicpopulation.com/world_islam.html) and Turkey`s population was 69.6 million (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tu.html).
[This whole hatred has come about due to Isreal-Palestine situation, which we all agree is a political dispute rather than a religious one.]
For the Palestinians, it may be a political dispute, but for other Muslims, it IS a religious dispute and their support for the Palis stems from the fact that they are Muslims (at least overwhelmingly so) under non-Muslim (Jewish) occupation. Where Muslims are the perpetrators against Muslims (as in Darfur, Sudan or B`desh in 1971) or if the victims are non-Muslims (Hindus in Bangladesh), there isn`t so much as a squeak from the Ummah.
[Muslims of at least 1 strong muslim country viz. Turkey have proven that they don`t hate Jews.]
Doesn`t say much when you have only one example (4% of the entire Muslim population) to show. FYI, the Muslim population in the year 2003 stood at around 1704.03 million (http://www.islamicpopulation.com/world_islam.html) and Turkey`s population was 69.6 million (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tu.html).
#144 Posted by harish_hyd on December 12, 2005 11:11:00 pm
#110 by scout
[most of the people complaining here are Hindus]
Yup, and that is why Daniel Pearl was abducted and brutally beheaded.
[most of the people complaining here are Hindus]
Yup, and that is why Daniel Pearl was abducted and brutally beheaded.
#143 Posted by Ranjit on December 12, 2005 10:56:03 pm
Arjun and others - Guys, dont take offence at Behram. He is a nutcase. As they say - Paagalon ka bura nahin maantey (no point in taking offence at lunatics).
Behram - Please do us all a favor and leave chowk. Even Pakistanis who defend you are totally embarassed by your behavior. Disrespectfully submitted up your a$$
#142 Posted by patwari on December 12, 2005 8:41:04 pm
Avari is not owner of biggest chain of hotels in pak ...
#141 Posted by Ahmadzai on December 12, 2005 7:42:42 pm
Arju and Behram:
It may not be comparable with India, but Pakistan has fare share of successful Parsees.
1) Behram Avari is the owner of biggest chain of hotels in Pakistan (Avari Hiltons) and have an Avari hotel in Dubai also. Mr. and Mrs. Avari gave Pakistan our 1st gold medal in Yatching (Asian Games 1978). The gold medal inspired many young Pakistanis to take to Yatching and win many golds in later Asian Games.
2) Ardesher Cowasjee: is known more as a critic and less as a successful businessman. Thanks God, otherwise the rulers would have definitely choked his business.
For a good read on his views as a critic:
http://www.the-south-asian.com/Jan%202003/Peace%20in%20South%20Asia-Cowasjee.htm
3) Bapsi Sidhwa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bapsi_Sidhwa
Your posts painfully read, memory lane fervently driven and whatever found respectfully submitted, please.
It may not be comparable with India, but Pakistan has fare share of successful Parsees.
1) Behram Avari is the owner of biggest chain of hotels in Pakistan (Avari Hiltons) and have an Avari hotel in Dubai also. Mr. and Mrs. Avari gave Pakistan our 1st gold medal in Yatching (Asian Games 1978). The gold medal inspired many young Pakistanis to take to Yatching and win many golds in later Asian Games.
2) Ardesher Cowasjee: is known more as a critic and less as a successful businessman. Thanks God, otherwise the rulers would have definitely choked his business.
For a good read on his views as a critic:
http://www.the-south-asian.com/Jan%202003/Peace%20in%20South%20Asia-Cowasjee.htm
3) Bapsi Sidhwa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bapsi_Sidhwa
Your posts painfully read, memory lane fervently driven and whatever found respectfully submitted, please.
#140 Posted by Ahmadzai on December 12, 2005 7:22:23 pm
Kaurasack at 129 and Kulharee at 130:
Actually, Muslims have no grounds to hate Jews and vice versa. This whole hatred has come about due to Isreal-Palestine situation, which we all agree is a political dispute rather than a religious one.
Some points to note:
1. Muslims enjoyed 3 glorious reigns - Caliph Haroon ur Rasheed (Abbasids), Caliph Abd ar Rehman II (Umayyid in Spain) and King Sulayman the Magnificient (Ottoman of Turkey). Jews enjoyed such a good relations with Muslims in these years that they migrated from Europe to these lands.
2. The Israeli-Palestinian dispute was an Israeli-Arab dispute and was always touted as such by the Palestinian leadership. Indeed, it was Christians who provided leadership to the Palestinians. Late Professor Edward Saeed was one such Christian Palestinian. Those of us who graduated from American universities in 70s, 80s and even early 90s would recall heated debates by Israeli and Palestinian students on campuses. Most of these debates were led by Christian Palestinian students. Of course, the whole movement was later `hijacked` by extremist Muslims.
3. Learned Muslim scholars like Maulana Asrar Ahmad of Pakistan have concurred that Muslims should begin dialogue with Jews. Many more scholars are definitely going to come froward and support the dialogue.
4. Muslims of at least 1 strong muslim country viz. Turkey have proven that they don`t hate Jews.
Actually, Muslims have no grounds to hate Jews and vice versa. This whole hatred has come about due to Isreal-Palestine situation, which we all agree is a political dispute rather than a religious one.
Some points to note:
1. Muslims enjoyed 3 glorious reigns - Caliph Haroon ur Rasheed (Abbasids), Caliph Abd ar Rehman II (Umayyid in Spain) and King Sulayman the Magnificient (Ottoman of Turkey). Jews enjoyed such a good relations with Muslims in these years that they migrated from Europe to these lands.
2. The Israeli-Palestinian dispute was an Israeli-Arab dispute and was always touted as such by the Palestinian leadership. Indeed, it was Christians who provided leadership to the Palestinians. Late Professor Edward Saeed was one such Christian Palestinian. Those of us who graduated from American universities in 70s, 80s and even early 90s would recall heated debates by Israeli and Palestinian students on campuses. Most of these debates were led by Christian Palestinian students. Of course, the whole movement was later `hijacked` by extremist Muslims.
3. Learned Muslim scholars like Maulana Asrar Ahmad of Pakistan have concurred that Muslims should begin dialogue with Jews. Many more scholars are definitely going to come froward and support the dialogue.
4. Muslims of at least 1 strong muslim country viz. Turkey have proven that they don`t hate Jews.
#139 Posted by Ahmadzai on December 12, 2005 6:38:45 pm
Faisal at 69:
Wow! Nice picture man. Seems like a good movie and btw, Amitabh has changed a lot since I last saw his picture.
;-)
Wow! Nice picture man. Seems like a good movie and btw, Amitabh has changed a lot since I last saw his picture.
;-)
#137 Posted by Behram1 on December 12, 2005 4:26:47 pm
Re: # 134
Dear arjun_m:
[Maybe behram is just po`ed because Indian parsis are doing much much better than Paarsis from the land of the pure..]
The only place worthy of my urine is in the mouths of hinuds from India.
So when are you availble for this juice of mine?
Respectfully submitted,
Dear arjun_m:
[Maybe behram is just po`ed because Indian parsis are doing much much better than Paarsis from the land of the pure..]
The only place worthy of my urine is in the mouths of hinuds from India.
So when are you availble for this juice of mine?
Respectfully submitted,
#136 Posted by Behram1 on December 12, 2005 4:23:50 pm
Re: # 133
Dear mohar11:
You are ugly. You smell. You have a crooked nose. You are cross eyed. You are a devil worshipper. You are a hinud. Nobody wants you. And you are in search for acceptance.
[Mr Behram is still fighting the hinud demons since his childhood when he was abused by a ugly and horrible hindoo...... he can`t help his hatred towards hinuds......it`s part of who he is - a pathetic little paki - paranoid with pent-up hatred towards hinuds.....]
You are wrong about Hinuds of Pakistan. They have good life and they do not indulge in the activities of those unfortunate Hinuds of India. It is the filth of Brahmaputra and Ganges that has messed up the Hinuds of India.
But your head is between my legs..... as you are sucking and looking up for more Iranian juices. Obviously, you are uneducated and illeterate Gujju, you belong to the terrorist RSS. You would only like to keep sucking those juices...oozing out of your ugly mouth...
Neverthelesss,
Respectfully submitted,
Dear mohar11:
You are ugly. You smell. You have a crooked nose. You are cross eyed. You are a devil worshipper. You are a hinud. Nobody wants you. And you are in search for acceptance.
[Mr Behram is still fighting the hinud demons since his childhood when he was abused by a ugly and horrible hindoo...... he can`t help his hatred towards hinuds......it`s part of who he is - a pathetic little paki - paranoid with pent-up hatred towards hinuds.....]
You are wrong about Hinuds of Pakistan. They have good life and they do not indulge in the activities of those unfortunate Hinuds of India. It is the filth of Brahmaputra and Ganges that has messed up the Hinuds of India.
But your head is between my legs..... as you are sucking and looking up for more Iranian juices. Obviously, you are uneducated and illeterate Gujju, you belong to the terrorist RSS. You would only like to keep sucking those juices...oozing out of your ugly mouth...
Neverthelesss,
Respectfully submitted,
#135 Posted by Behram1 on December 12, 2005 4:10:10 pm
Re: # 132
Dear rsridhar:
[beti-cho@h haram key will be surprised when he looks at me. I am none of what he has described.]
Of course, you are so ugly....you have skinny ugly legs...and you are dark as a coal....You were born in the tuwaif khana, when your mother was doing mujra. Did your mother teach you how to be a pimp?
[Haram] What would an ugly hindoo like you know about haram? After all this is an Islamic word. Hindoos don`t have haram or halal in their society....they young girls are after sugar daddies....you are after sugar canes.......But again, when you have rocks bouncing around your empty skull, and khajoor injected Bangladeshi sugarcanes stuck in your entry points, nothing seems to work.
What a sorry life you have.... always down below, head turned towards the ceiling, pillow under the belly and wanting more of ...day dubba dub dub dub...
Your huge empty godown between your hearing posts can only be filled with Irani mustandas.....day dubba dub dub dub...day dubba dub dub dub...
Respectfully submitted,
Dear rsridhar:
[beti-cho@h haram key will be surprised when he looks at me. I am none of what he has described.]
Of course, you are so ugly....you have skinny ugly legs...and you are dark as a coal....You were born in the tuwaif khana, when your mother was doing mujra. Did your mother teach you how to be a pimp?
[Haram] What would an ugly hindoo like you know about haram? After all this is an Islamic word. Hindoos don`t have haram or halal in their society....they young girls are after sugar daddies....you are after sugar canes.......But again, when you have rocks bouncing around your empty skull, and khajoor injected Bangladeshi sugarcanes stuck in your entry points, nothing seems to work.
What a sorry life you have.... always down below, head turned towards the ceiling, pillow under the belly and wanting more of ...day dubba dub dub dub...
Your huge empty godown between your hearing posts can only be filled with Irani mustandas.....day dubba dub dub dub...day dubba dub dub dub...
Respectfully submitted,
#134 Posted by arjun_m on December 12, 2005 3:29:02 pm
Maybe behram is just po`ed because Indian parsis are doing much much better than Paarsis from the land of the pure..
#133 Posted by mohar11 on December 12, 2005 3:07:52 pm
Mr Behram is still fighting the hinud demons since his childhood when he was abused by a ugly and horrible hindoo...... he can`t help his hatred towards hinuds......it`s part of who he is - a pathetic little paki - paranoid with pent-up hatred towards hinuds.....
Other pakis obssesed with hinud-hatred usually blow themselves up to get out of their miserable existence - but this jack-a$$ can`t even do that..... so he comes to chowk and rants like a raving lunatic......
Other pakis obssesed with hinud-hatred usually blow themselves up to get out of their miserable existence - but this jack-a$$ can`t even do that..... so he comes to chowk and rants like a raving lunatic......
#132 Posted by rsridhar on December 12, 2005 2:47:59 pm
re:#118 by behram1
beti-cho@h haram key will be surprised when he looks at me. I am none of what he has described.
Haram key has no agenda but to malign Indians. He does that by preying on religious hatred that he has imbibed in abudnance in Pakiland. The guy is a farce. I pity his existence.
Sridhar
beti-cho@h haram key will be surprised when he looks at me. I am none of what he has described.
Haram key has no agenda but to malign Indians. He does that by preying on religious hatred that he has imbibed in abudnance in Pakiland. The guy is a farce. I pity his existence.
Sridhar
#131 Posted by Raw_Dust on December 12, 2005 1:04:40 pm
khamkhwa wrote:
``raw-dust...
man! i feel your pain...unfortunately you were born in a muslim household that creates all this self loathing for you and even your parents can`t undo what has happened... i can only advise you to convert to hinduism...and once you have done that, then you may come and discuss islam with me... till then you are nothing...``
yea, i am nothing but dont lose your cool (whatever happened to wits and winks????), i might be all of what you wrote above - it is okaay, relaaax :-)
by the way, i appreciate that you didnt disagree with me on Quranic-hatespeech etc. Good.
cheers.
``raw-dust...
man! i feel your pain...unfortunately you were born in a muslim household that creates all this self loathing for you and even your parents can`t undo what has happened... i can only advise you to convert to hinduism...and once you have done that, then you may come and discuss islam with me... till then you are nothing...``
yea, i am nothing but dont lose your cool (whatever happened to wits and winks????), i might be all of what you wrote above - it is okaay, relaaax :-)
by the way, i appreciate that you didnt disagree with me on Quranic-hatespeech etc. Good.
cheers.
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