An Alternative Spelling of Eed

#89 awwww, looks like I have hurt poor kaka deeply...don`t worry beta, i`d still be gracious enough to own you any day...i could mellow you into a nice kid, trust me on this

#94, ignorance even when supplemented with sarcasm and a hotchpotch of stereotypical nonsense does not substitute for facts. Have you seen any scientific paper that seeks to support or refute facts written in this atrocious manner?

Well friends!!! I guess we must be able to appreciate some sacred fictional facts about imaginary heroes, which are presented in this satirical narrative.

Why we Indians get over emotional about ``honor`` of Arabs, are we suffering from deep inferiority complex??

Do we have any identity,culture or history of our own.???

My old and wise father who compromised and became a good Muslim, in order to get along with superstiteous ladies of his family.

He whispered to me that actually he belonged to ``kapoors`` of India, and Arab imperialists and children of Ismael snatched his culture from him.

I asked him about the beautiful looking brunette aborigines or natives of India , who got labelled as ``musalis``, ``deendars`` etc. and who live miserable lives in Pakistan at the mercy of children of Abraham known as ``syed`` badshahs in Pakistan.

These outsider so called Arab ``Syeds`` were so clever that contrary to the simple life style of holy prophet (pbuh),..they occupied lands and ``jagirs`` from Kaghan to Karachi, and made natives of India as ``deendars`` and eternal slaves.

My father also hinted about realities of life, and ``pait oor aurat ka chakar`` ( role of tummy and woman in man`s life) which Freud has elaborated and simplified for us.

He told me about construction of kaaba and that institution of haj as a source of permanent income, which existed before Islam.... and name of the supreme deity of pagans of Arabs was ``Allah``, thats why name of the father of holy prophet (pbuh) was abdullah (servant of Allah) who was born among pagans of Arabs......

History of bowing in front of sacred ``hajre aswad`` black stone, super natural deities,jinns, patriarchy,possession of women, land,cattle and sons as heirs and ``Piri Mureedi`` business goes back to our holy father Abraham.

So hamzaad my dear please do not snatch away my borrowed identity from me, I feel naked,helpless and Godless in this scientific world, which is too complicated for my superstitous and frightened psyche.

Thanks to Syeds badshahs for liberating me and giving me the gift of eternal life, my body, my land, my wealth and my songs are returned to them as a token of gratitude.

After all I am among the believers of the God of Abraham, and I am not among the thankless idiots, and hell goers.. scary..hell is scary...so better bend down and submit.

#91 read <<< Nothing scholarly in his article except his half-baked arguments and rants >>>

As <<< nothing scholarly in THIS article, on the contrary all it contains are half baked arguments and rants >>>

As we all know rants and half-baked arguments are not ``scholarly``

#91 read <<< Nothing scholarly in his article except his half-baked arguments and rants >>>

As <<< nothing scholarly in THIS article, on the contrary all it contains are half baked arguments and rants >>>

As we all know rants and half-baked arguments are not ``scholarly``

The author of this article is a bigoted ignoramus who is writing from total ignorance. Nothing scholarly in his article except his half-baked arguments and rants. He does not mention the fact that Abraham/Ibrahim is mentioned in the tablets uncovered in Ebla, together with the cities of Sodom & Gomorrah, 1500 years before the Torah by the way. It is clear that he (the author) uses kinder words for Jesus than for the others and is most derogatory of the prophet of Islam with ZERO evidence by the way. He even claims ignorance by stating, ``about whom much has to be false``. Who writes ``evidence papers`` in this fashion? Maybe much of what is written in the legends of the prophets is false but what is false is not proven in this fashion. And why Chowk is putting such garbage on its front pages is beyond me.

#89 kaka the shameless creature
And, your shameless culture is from Karachi`s streets where your mother got raped several times . Don`t blame me , you admitted yourself that your mother was dragged in the streets of Karachi by Urdu Ispeaking gangsters, who abuse and tortured your mother and raped her from behind, like you mentioned in your article about your mother.........remember....

Now, if Kaka had any equal, then kaka would get a similar clue that when kaka`s mother suddenly gets pregnant and is unable to name the father of the child, then she probably was raped from behind; her eyes forced shut by the rapist and therefore never could see the rapist (or maybe she did, but he probably was too close of a kin). When there are possible explanations - perfectly coherent explanations - then there’s no need to bring in the immaculate nonsense. and that is how you came in to this cruel and crazy wild world to bring garbage and nonsense in to this chowk.com.

Why don`t you try showing your mother`s history and your birth on other porno`s web site.
You see, how much sensitive you are for your own mother??? But, your nonsense and insensitivity is beyond words , what you did in this article and still you`re alive. I wish you a kutaiy kii death. I wish you die like people dragging you naked on the streets of Karachi and dogs eating every bit of your meat.

How do you know my background, when you don`t know me well enough? You have shown your dirty self thousand times to people and everyone knows you so very well. Why don`t you show us your picture and your virgin Marry mother`s picture, so, that we should know, whom we are dealing with?
You have been calling me names, you have been cyber harrassin me . I never took your dirty self seriously. But, this time, it looks like , I will for this article.

I challenge you. If, you have guts, give us your phone number, address and you will see, how your dirty self won`t be here for the rest of your miserable life, which already sucks.

You are just a computer sissy, typing any buk,buk any time with no mind. You are from Karachi`s low lying slums, where again,Now, if Kaka had any equal, then kaka would get a similar clue that when kaka`s mother suddenly gets pregnant and is unable to name the father of the child, then she probably was raped from behind; her eyes forced shut by the rapist and therefore never could see the rapist (or maybe she did, but he probably was too close of a kin). When there are possible explanations - perfectly coherent explanations - then there’s no need to bring in the immaculate nonsense. and that is how you came in to this cruel and crazy wild world to bring garbage and nonsense in to this chowk.com.

#78 by Urstruly

zeena`s opinion stems from her background of panchayat based culture, where female relatives are fair game for whatever offense the panchayat deems outrageous. Besides, according to saimasha, all of our mothers have been raped at one time or the other so zeena is hardly to be blamed.

What is interesting is the slap on the face by a mominah about your morals theory, the day after it was revealed to you. `Hope it was a good learning experience.

Jang and samina idiots,

What gets kaka furious is the expectations to be entertained by witless, walking mediocrities (`lacks humor`) all the time. This inane idiot (jang) is looking for humor in a deliberately abrasive vitroil. Talk about missing the point!! If this is legitmate criticism, then keep at it and soon kaka will stop even writing funny stuff!

Shobig,

Please step out of serf (kammi-kameen) mentality and realize that Russel is not the `lord of philosphy` who may or may not approbate philosophers.

Farzana Versey
And, thats the difference between insanity and point of view. Think with your white matter. Thanks

soysauce ji wrote:
``- Bob Dylan

What sort of god & what sort of prophet? What is being celebrated?``

i think, it is not about celebrating. dylan is painting a picture and at the same time being ironic about it (shifting the narrative`s time-space). image of god-abe talking is a dangerous one because for most of us it is rooted in our early childhood .. and he contrasts the retelling of this magical mythical tale with his deadpan delivery. the whole thing gets charged to giga orders of magnitude. powerful stuff.

From Farzana Versey`s Ilog from today,{{{{If nothing else, should this factor have been considered before I let someone bash up a religious icon? Does an individual opinion have this much validity that it can spoil someone’s festivities? Is religion not supposed to give some people strength and a feeling of security? Why do they get shaky at another point of view? }}}}

Farzana Versey
Dear cheif editor
Yes, you`re absolutely right nobody should get shaky at another`s point of view.I agree with you on this. Period.......
But, FV, what point of view you`re talking about? where is the point of view in this article?
All I see in above crap is humiliation of other people`s faiths and on top of everything humiliation of women by making cruel and disgusting remarks about rapes. And, by dragging our pious women as being raped.

There is a difference between point of views, which we can discuss with all the openess and between humiliation.

If, someone stands up and says, I don`t believe in this faith,b/c this faith doesn`t hold true facts(with out degrading and humiliating the faith and the pious ladies) , that is the point of view, which we call rational and we will discuss that with in the limits of decency.

But, if, you call the above piece of verbal diarrhea ,``point of view``, then tsk, tsk,tsk on your common sense, that you clearly failed to recognise the crystal clear difference between point of view and humiliation.

Well, in that case, if someone rapes an innocent girl and you are saying, that is OK to rape an innocent girl ,b/c it is freedom of choice and b/c it is your point of view to stand by the rapist. Then you clearly are in delusional denial with reaction formation in a recessed fashion, that you are unable to differentiate , what is the logic of point of view and what is the rationale of cruelty and humiliation?
Obviously, any rationale person will object to the rape, only insane won`t.

jang:
the basic concept is eternal damnation. (ED)

everyone is going to Hell except Momins. Momins` good-deeds outweigh their sins -> they will go to Heaven.

Muslims with sins will be sent to Hell and be cleansed from their sins by applying a pyro-technique on their bodies mixed in with some poisonous creatures. They will eventually go to Heaven. They do not come in ED category. So a murderer/rapist muslim will prolly spend 10000`s of years in Hell to pay for his horrible deeds but if he had died believing (even faintly) the concept of Oneness of Allah, he might get his salvation in the end.

Mulhids Apostates like me will be in the deepest (see ``lowest of the low`` in urstruly`s post) and the most intense chamber of Hell eternally. Strictly ED category.

Kaafirs will hierarchically be doing a little better than me (i.e. less intense fire etc.) But they also gonna be in Hell eternally. again ED`ed.

Pre-Islamic people of the Book who were loyal to Jesus` ``original`` message and early jews (who didnt betray their prophets and in the process broke the covenant with God) will also be accorded an eternal and pleasant stay in Heaven.

Heaven also happened to have its own categories and hiearachies but for people like you and I those are kinda irrelevant. :-)

hope this helps.

#79
I take Urstruly`s comments as , he believes in a structural system of specific sets of beliefs to have values to live in social circles. He believes , whoever doesn`t wish to bind to that very system of beliefs looses his/her values to be identified as a nice human being and regressed down to pre-civil era , when humans were living worst than animals with out any values.

I believe, the author of this article has regressed to pre-civivl era.

#78 Urstruly
Don`t forget in Islam, it is law that if, someone murders your loved ones, you can murder that person(or state will hang the person to death).
I am a very common person, who is a slave to her ego, I won`t rise above my ego,b/c my ego is my wisdom, which commands me NOT to surrender , if, I am right.

Urstruly (#81):

… I don’t think you get it ... people here are making fun of you.

By posting elaborate (idiotic) explanations of your faith, you are only coming across as a bigger clown than originally suspected. Keep quiet and try to avoid providing proof that you indeed are a low-IQ jihadi.

I’m only trying to help you … you know …

#81 thanks. so is a murderous momeen (say who does some bad things, but is otherwise a almost true believer) better than a good kaffir or mushriq? or in your framework (i mean gods framework) its just not possible?

#80 by jang


The order ordained by God is as such:

Apostates = Mulhid; Hypocrites=Munafiq - Lowest of the Low -

These people once beleived in the Oneness of Allah and then because of their misfortune they lost hope in Him and turned against Him or they invented new belief system. They become enemies of God and do everything in their capacity to drive innocent human beings from the path of God. It is strictly fobidden to keep any social interaction with these people. Quadianis fall into this category.

Atheists= Kafir - the worst

They do not believe in the existence of God either by birth or they reverted from some other religion other than Islam into atheism. They actively propagate their religion of ``unbeleief``. Social interaction with these people is permitted but discouraged.


Polytheists = Mushriq - really bad

They believe in One God but also believe in smaller dieties that share power with One God. Hindus fall in this category. The social intercation with these people is permitted.


Agnostics = ? - bad THese people are doubters. However, unlike Atheists they do not promote their religion of ``doubt``. Social interaction with these people is permitted.

People of Book=Ehl-e-Qitab i.e. Jews & Christians, in some cases Hidus and Zoroastrians as well OK

Jews and Christians are in fact early Muslims who made changes in the basic message of God, becuse of the compulsion of time. Social Interaction with these people is permitted but it is advised that they should not be trusted in temporal affairs. In wordly affairs they can be as trustworthy as any other human being be it Muslim or non-Muslim.

Believers = Momins the best

These are Muslims who with the best of their human capacity not only constantly try to keep themselves on the right path but also convey the message of righteousness to others (regardless of religion) as well. This is actually the definition of Muslim that Quran has defined.