An Alternative Spelling of Eed

methinks urstruly puts hindu-kafirs above atheist..hallelujah.

urstruly, pls enumerate the order explicitly, thanks.

#54 & #56

Ustruly,

Please humour us and explain what you mean by
``I must emphasize once again that the so called rationaists, humanists, freethinkers, and agnostics cannot have values``...
``So when an agnostic has no hope, then logically he would not have any value``

So in your view, only religion can install ``values`` in a person`s life and in society? You think so little of man`s own intellectual capacity and awareness of what is morally ``right`` and ``wrong`` that he`s incapable of adopting a set of values in the absence of religious guidance?

Incidentally, you also seem to be confusing atheists with agnostics. Agnostics don`t reject the existence of God. They simply have no evidence of God`s existence, but also don`t disbelieve in him as they have no evidence that he doesn`t exist either.

#77 by Zeena

That was an unfortunate post; I think you should have resisted the urge of your ego to stoop that low from the system of values you hold dear. I don`t think that it gets clearer than this:

The Women 4:148

``Allah does not like that a person should utter evil words except one when he has been wronged``


An argument can be made that since the author of this article has wronged us therefore he deserves the taste of his own medicine, but no, we are charged with a bigger responsibility than this and it is bigger than us and our ego. Why? Because the next verse says:

``(Though you are allowed to give expression to evil words, if you have been wronged) yet if you go on doing good openly or secretly or at least refrain from evil, you should know that Allah is Forgiving, whereas He is All Powerful to Punish``

This is the value system that all Prophets, Sufis, Saints, Sadhu, and Monks practice, that is, they resist the urge to give in to their urges to satisfy their ego. That is how they find Kashf and Nirvana. That is how they become immortal while those who abuse them get lost in oblivion.

There is a deep psychological understanding embedded in the verses cited above. Consider this that, though you protested and even made the author taste his own medicine but you may still not be satisfied. Your ego must be urging you to do more. So in other words no matter what you do, it is your defeat and submission to your ego. Whereas, simultaneously it is a great victory for the author because he was able to drag you down to his level and now for a third person there is no difference between you and him.

Now, if the KAKA had any equal, then KAKA would get a similar clue that when KAKA`s mother suddenly gets pregnant and is unable to name the father of the child, then she probably was raped from behind; her eyes forced shut by the rapist and therefore never could see the rapist (or maybe she did, but he probably was too close of a kin). When there are possible explanations - perfectly coherent explanations - then there’s no need to bring in the immaculate nonsense. KAka`s mother got raped from behind, that is why kaka shit out this verbal diarrhea and now, eating it .

Now, if the KAKA had any equal, then KAKA would get a similar clue that when KAKA`s mother suddenly gets pregnant and is unable to name the father of the child, then she probably was raped from behind; her eyes forced shut by the rapist and therefore never could see the rapist (or maybe she did, but he probably was too close of a kin). When there are possible explanations - perfectly coherent explanations - then there’s no need to bring in the immaculate nonsense. KAka`s mother got raped from behind, that is why kaka shit out this verbal diarrhea and now, eating it .

aaw kaka, dont get grumpy an all, you did attempt clowning ...

e.g.
``Poor Ibrahim, full of faith, was looking for miracles and ignored foul play, attributing the whole thing to the Lord. And the ladies and their lovers sighed in relief... ``

``Anyway, a harassed Ibrahim must have sacrificed a lot of his favorite cows and baseball cards before he went to sleep as usual.``

and i thought pinkie-twinkie series had a lot of home-truths ..

awwwww poor kaka...let him play with his pinkie and twinkie...;)

Looks like kaka is hell bent on growing up into the next N F Paratha of Chowk, so no wonder this piece of crap is as lame and pathetic an attempt at humour as most of NFP`s wriings are, perhaps even more.
I disagree, it`s not offensive at all...it`s just utterly dreadful...for no one gives a shit to what a self-aggrandizing lowlife kaka-next-door hallucinates about or what he has to say about Ibrahim (AS) and his followers...I believe even Russel turns in his grave each time someone reads the words `a rogue philosopher`...

re:

``kaka is not your clown to amuse you or respect your feelings.``

Clearly, Kaka is not. So, what IS the point of this piece? If Kaka can`t take some legitimate feedback, Kaka should get the heck out of the kitchen...

``Oh God said to Abraham, ``Kill me a son``
Abe says, ``Man, you must be puttin` me on``
God say, ``No.`` Abe say, ``What?``
God say, ``You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin` you better run``
Well Abe says, ``Where do you want this killin` done?``
God says, ``Out on Highway 61.`` Bob Dylan quoted by soysauce

soysauce ji -- now that`s one masterly piece of satire.......on the same myth -- without involving poor Virgin Mary....

Jang and other idiots,

kaka is not your clown to amuse you or respect your feelings. For humor, check out the Pinkie and Twinkie adventure series . This was just to separate idiots from the non-.

This article is blasphemous , this b*s*ard has no respect for others , I think it’s a fashion now to be Salman Rushdie wanabe . I wish you hell , where your skin is taken out everyday and the process repeats for thousands of years.

kaka khan,

This article is offensive, lacks humor, devoid of poetry (not a problem in itself) and seems to have somewhat banal criticism of the events/personalities.

Compare that to the ``alternative`` tulsi-ramayan. Very poetic and really funny..i wish its available online and someone posts a link.

Hasanji,

Oh God said to Abraham, ``Kill me a son``
Abe says, ``Man, you must be puttin` me on``
God say, ``No.`` Abe say, ``What?``
God say, ``You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin` you better run``
Well Abe says, ``Where do you want this killin` done?``
God says, ``Out on Highway 61.``

- Bob Dylan

What sort of god & what sort of prophet? What is being celebrated?

Hasanji,

Oh God said to Abraham, ``Kill me a son``
Abe says, ``Man, you must be puttin` me on``
God say, ``No.`` Abe say, ``What?``
God say, ``You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin` you better run``
Well Abe says, ``Where do you want this killin` done?``
God says, ``Out on Highway 61.``

- Bob Dylan

What sort of god & what sort of prophet? What is being celebrated?

Come on, folks, get a hold of yourselves. I read the article and your various comments. It seems that if Kaka had a head, you would all be demanding it on a platter - a la John the Baptist, who is Yahya Allaissalaam for you Muslims. :) Please get off your moral high horses and stop the Salome act. Enough is enough. Your intolerance is rapidly overshadowing Kaka`s nonsense. You are doing for Kaka what Muslims of another time did for Salman Rushdie, and other proliferators of bland, meaningless, and offensive rhetoric disguised as ``literature.`` Having said that, we need to understand what has been written. Why? If for no other reason than the fact that it is published here. :)

What Kaka seems to be doing, albeit in a somewhat offensive manner, is to question the relevance of old Semitic, mostly Jewish, legend to the present, mostly non-Semitic Muslims of the subcontinent. The idea of sacrificing virgins, first-borns, or even animals seems very primitive and pagan to many of us. How can a loving, compassionate God test His creation by having them sacrifice their first-born in a bloody display of total obedience? Why is such practice considered inhumane when performed by pagans like Romans, Egyptians, and worshippers of Kali Mai? Besides, the whole Old Testament is tantamount to a very biased and bizarre history of the Chosen People. Once you get past the ``begats`` in Genesis and how various famous men ``went into`` their respective women, there is one gory story after another about how the Lord helped the Jews slaughter their opponents. Does all this baggage really belong as a part of a religion claiming to be universal, egalitarian, and rational?

I noticed something very interesting in this article. It seems that Kaka, either in a stroke of brilliance or unintentionally, totally avoided the controversy of whether it was Ishmael, the first-born from Hagar or Isaac, the son of Sarah, who was the intended victim of the bloody sacrifice. That is the real story here - the rivalry of the Arab and Jewish cousins in claiming the ``honor`` of almost having been put under the knife for God the Almighty. And to think that we make fun of the pagans and their unbelievable epics. :)