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#143 teshah
Thank you. OK, I will.

142 by Zeena

Thank you dear for your kind and prompt response. Athough I believe that all praise be to Allah yet my heart felt flattered when you praised my self. Such is our ego.

Dear Zeena, I for one, seeing your soul searching for the truth, wanted to know more about your person. I however found little from your prophile. So will you please like to intruduce your self to me, preferabely, on my personal e-mail address:talawat@hotmail.com?

With regards

#141 teshah
Well, it is a pleasant surprise, that among crowds of commoners, we find some real gems, who give us serenity of mind and soul. and, you are one of those real personas. I mean it.

Now, since your post was so, very beautiful. I am speechless infront of your words of wisdom.

Let me give you an essence of my point of view about faiths/religions....................

For all of us humanbeings, acquiring a deeper knowledge and understanding of our faiths/religions, finding the spiritual reality with in our own souls, gives meaning to life and by concluding our daily life based on that faith, while respecting the spiritual choices of others faiths. Faiths/ religions can only be caught, can be taught. It isn`t a dress code to wear on specific days. It is true side of our characters, which leads to the development of our souls. It is not an epithelium part of our skins, which ultimately peels off to be born again. Yes, it can be cultivated and re freshened deeper and deeper, till it meets the needs of our thirsty souls to lead a path of unknown destiny to take us to see the ultimate light.
The actions of the most humans at present are little guided by faith. They often are given instructions, not, education about their faiths.

Take care
Regards
Zeena

136 by Zeena

Thank you for your compliments dear. I am sorry that I misunderstood you. Is it not a proof enough of the fact that we cannot be sure about what is subjective, i.e., inside one’s heart? Even we ourselves know little about our own hearts. The Punjabi poet and aarif, Sultan Bahu, says “Dil darya samundron doonge koun dillaan dia janrhen” (Hearts are deeper than seas who can fathom them). See what the Quranic Allah says about the Arabs who claimed to have faith in Islam “Aayat 14, soorae hujraat (49) mein Allah farmata he:
``Kaha ganwaron (Arab Awam) ne kih imaan laae ham. Keh nah iman laae tum lekin kaho `Musalman` yehni maghloob hue ham aur abhi nahin daakhil hua iman biich tumhare dilonN meiN aur agar farmanbardari karo allah aur rasool uske ki nahin kam dega tumhaare amloN se kuchh. Tehqiq allah bakhshne wala mehrban he.``

(The wandering Arabs say: We believe. Say (unto them, O Muhammad):Ye believe not, but rather say ``We submit`` for faith hath not yet entered your hearts.)

I hope you can understand and read Urdu written in Roman Script.

Many Muslims claim that Islam is a religion of peace and respects others’ faith. But the question is whether those who are called believers in the Quran can live in peace with those whom they call disbelievers (Kaafirs) when the Quran says, “48-29. Mohammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (Arabic-‘Ashidda’) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves.” (Translation by Pickthall)

The fact is not to speak of Muslims only, who have no mercy even for their co-religionist whom they can declare non- Muslims out of hatred; the humanity as such has been brutalized in general by fanaticism which essentially springs from religious sectarian hatred.

With regards.

ZeenaBen #136: ``All, I am asking is, Please, do not humiliate anyone`s faith. Which this article is all about. This article is just humiliating my faith. Even , if, this ARTICLE is about hinduism. I will stand up for that. Thank you very much for your precious time.``

So you think Pakistan was created to protect you from evil Hindus. Is that why 6 millions of them were driven out of Pakistan and ten thousand square miles of private property gobbled up? After all that effort and Pakification, you still migrated out to USA and want a new Mini-Pakistan here and on Chowk. Why oh why???

You are putting far far too much value on your standing up Zeena Ben. I do not. Keep sitting or better yet go back to Pakistan.

If Hinduism can not survive without little old aunties like you standing up for it, it better perish anon.

My faith says that there is a lot of built-in potential for rabble rousing and mob formation in all organised religions. Please Zeena, do not humiliate my faith.

ZeenaBen #137:

That you would like to shut off dissenting opinion comes as no surprise to me.

``Anyhow it seems your family`s considered answer to my question is that I am a pituitary retard and have very little integrity. Not too much of an answer from the President of APPNA and his family.``

Sorry, but you have said nothing new for me to revise my low opinion of your abuse. It is still not much of an answer from President of APPNA.

Yes do not threaten to remove Your gloves in public again, please. There may be children present.

Pitutary retards are handicapped due to an unfortunate physical condition. It is not their fault if they are handicapped. However people, who intentionally lie do so because of low character or sheer contempt for others.

One may not like Urstruly`s poloitics or blunt style of talk, but no one can ever accuse him of lying. The man is honest to a fault. When he talks about Koran, Ahmedis and Kafirs, he is not going to sugarcoat the truth. He lays it on the line, as it is written in the book. If he tells me I am going to burn in Hell, I better get concerned. When I am face to face with Xazyten, Zeena`s bromides will not wash.

An interactor claiming to be of just average intellignece but with an IQ of 130 does not understand simple concept of average or normal distribution or is a plain liar. In talking to an interactor from the GhaRvinza division about Farzana`s abilities, Zeena had this to brag about herself:
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on January 18, 2006 5:04pm PT
#32 ali_1
Well, my English is very poor. Even, my Urdu is poorer. My Kashmiri is lil less poor. My Pushto is the poorest, my Punjabi is worse, my telugu sucks, my marathi is OK, my sanskrit is less poor, my bengali is just ok, my gujarati is just basics, sindhi just better, tamil just touching and persian is the best.

My intellect is just an average IQ of 130. But, if, you say so. Thanks for your compliments. ``
OK ZeenaBen, prove you have an IQ of 130 or admit you were just pulling our leg. Then we can talk about faiths, retards and hellfire.

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#134 by teshah
No, sir
You`re wrong. I didn`t take you as hindu. I saw your profile before responding you. You are pure Pakistani.

Now, comeing to your point. You made excellent points. I loved your profile. I loved your i-logs. Since then I have great respect for you.

Now, again come to your points in #134.
Your points regarding {{ this is what Pakistan has taught me to become a judge of others faiths}}}
Let me answer you for that, first. 1:-No, absolutely not, it looks like you did not read my responses carefully. OK, let me , make it very clear to you. I do respect every faith with all my heart and soul and that is the main reason, I am absolutely not judging anyone based on faith. In this whole discussion, my main point is (All of us should respect each others faiths regardless of any faith. I hope I am clear. That is , what I have stood up for !
Please, do not take me wrong. Even in Pakistan, only pseudo Islamic Mullahs judge others by their faiths. Not the others. Majority of Pakistani do respect others faiths.

I can not tolerate those Mullahs, who attack others faiths and then making (fathwas) about them. Let me give you an example of myself. The way Mullahs brutalised Ahmedis, I hate them for that. If, Ahmedis are followers of certain sect, we should respect them equally, rather disrespecting their faith, they should be given equal right of freedom to praxtice their faith, same goes for shiiaas, sunnis, Hindus, christians, jews etc, etc.

All, I am asking is, Please, do not humiliate anyone`s faith. Which this article is all about. This article is just humiliating my faith. Even , if, this ARTICLE is about hinduism. I will stand up for that. Thank you very much for your precious time.



#135 mannyd
I am not interested in discussing with you anything.
Look at your response. You are trying to humiliate me. But, let me tell you a secret. I don`t care. Go, call me names, I am not going to respond you. You are in my big ignore list.

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133 by Zeena


``I am really surprised , most of the hindus were happy on this article, which is an apparent attempt to humiliate my faith................That surprises me the most and now, i have realised, why Pakistan came in to being? before I didn`t have clue, but, now i got it.``

You are so simplistic dear as women generally are and, mind, I love them for that. Please tell me how can one know about one`s faith. Now you took my faith as Hindu and also concluded that that faith of mine becomes happy at any attempt to humiliate your faith. So this is what you reiterate again and again; your respect for faiths of others? This is what Pakistan has taught you; to become a judge of others` faith which is purely a subjective matter? It is Pakistan where they attack on one`s faith by judging one a `kafir` (infidel) and then declaring him to be `Waajibul-qatl` (worthy of being lynched). What a respect of faith it is?

#129, 130 and 132
Takeing the gloves off could mean many things, i want to see some document that says You are given permission to abuse and torture and humiliate others faiths.
Anyone who humiliates others faiths , i believe is pituitary retard.

teshah
I am really surprised , most of the hindus were happy on this article, which is an apparent attempt to humiliate my faith................That surprises me the most and now, i have realised, why Pakistan came in to being? before I didn`t have clue, but, now i got it.

mannyd
Please, do not bring my family in to this discussion. Enough is enough. Go, discuss about your family on internet, who cares? But, absolutely not about mine. Thank you very much for listening. I hope , you will be more careful in future. This article has absolutely got nothing to do with my family. This shows, how much integrity you have for other`s faiths?

When, I say faith, I say about all faiths including hinduism. I will never ever disrespect your faith in any way. B/c I am an open minded persona who absorbs all faiths via respect.

Farzana Versey

I congraulate you for turning Chowk into a Hyde Park of internet much to the chagrin of Zeena.

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`mannyd
shame on you. Double shame on you. When did I humiliate hindu or any other faiths. Same on you for lying. Shame on you for calling me fundo and extremists, with out even reading my responses.`

Shame on you and your reading ability. The question was addressed to the great seer Nasah, who can differentiate between `religious and fundo`, not to you. You can not figure it out even with your daughter`s help.

Here is how Hinduism/ Budhism get involved in the discussion when you claim a book came directly from God and can not be questioned.

`Would you consider a revealed book out of San Felipe coming out tomorrow or next week that totally ignores San Francisco or Mayan Pyramids, a word from Xaztyen, the new name for new God per the new revealation? `

I am going along fine in my life with what my grandpappy told me about Hinduism, until somebody tells me about the new word from God. Does the latest word mention Rama? NO? Does it mention Krishna? No! How about Shiva and his Lingum? No!!!! Any of the other sundry thirty three Crore deities? On top of it the book is in Castillian Spanish of the fifteenth century and I `ll burn in hell if I do not submit to Xaztyen.

You are asking me to shut up in `double shame` when my immortal soul may be in peril? Do talk to your children and husband about your logic on that one Zeena Ben. I`ll be around....Cont`d.

Zeena #128:

`I wish all of us could have maturity to adhere to chowk interact guidelines. Not only on front page, but, on unplugged as well.`

Amen! Physician, first heal thyself.

Now you claim to have an average IQ of 130. Can you figure out a way to keep your pomposity of `Tsk, tsk` and `shame on you`s out of here if you have nothing else to say? Go talk about Hijab or something else on an other thread.

And stop repeating yourself. It does not add to or diminish from the initial inanity you issued forth just twenty eight minutes ago in #127.