Remembering Munish

#82 by IAliBirmingham on January 3, 2006 4:05pm PT


My war is not against people like Munish but a war for my land who is decleared and acknowledged by United Nations to this day


India doesn`t care what the UN says...in any case, the UN doesn`t say the land belongs to you..you only own what you can defend...

If the land is ``yours``, why did you run away in Kargil? why isn`t the paki army marching in srinagar?


and if what I support is illegal then be it ..


Sure...go to Kashmir and fight for your freedom..Kashmir banega Pakistan..inshallah..NOT..

p.s. It`s not illegal for the Indian army to kill any inbred brit-paki seeking a glorious death in the company of 72 virgins..

#55 by TheoVanGogh , TAhmed Sahab,
first we Kashmiris in Birmingham and arround the world are not religious people ( JI in Indian Occupied Kashmir and JI in Azad Kashmir is not a big party - and in case of Mr. Gelani he is popular in Occupied Kashmir specially in Jammu and other rural parts because on his tough stand against this wanabe secular state of India and not because he ( Gelani ) belongs to a religiouis party ) ,
as far as Pakistani Community ( which includes Kashmiris as well ) are concerned , what happened on 7/7 was pure terrorism because ,
a) this was a act against innocents
b) act against people who never supported Iraqi War
c) act against a nation which does not occupies a nation ..

attacks against civilians in India are wrong but attacks against Indian Security Officials is not terrorism but defence against a nation which illegally occupies Kashmir by force ( does not allow International Human Rights Organizations to enter plus not allow presence of UN in Occupied Area of Indian Held Kashmir )
My war is not against people like Munish but a war for my land who is decleared and acknowledged by United Nations to this day
and if what I support is illegal then be it ..

tahmed,

Let me explain it in little bit more details. Kashmir is not an issue of self determination. No matter what Pakistani government says, Kashmir joined India on the bases of an agreement with the Indian government and that agreement allowed them to have a special status in the Indian constitution. That special status provides them the right of self governing with a limited control of the central Indian government. (Article 370 is what every province in India and Pakistan should look to for solving problems between the State and provinces.)

The Indian state went back on its promises. I have yet to hear from any Kashmir group in India that they want the right of self determination. All they are asking for is implementation of article 370.
Read it here

Kashmiris are Indian citizens. They have a right to protest about their demands in ANY Indian state, city or Province. The Indian government cannot deny them this right until they declare that Kashmir is NOT a part of India thus Kashmiris don’t have equal rights as Indian citizens.

Now in response to Kashmir demands for their rights within the Indian constitution, India government chose to bring the regular Indian army to attack Kashmir. This is in contrast to what Indian government did in Assam where they used the Assam rifles and other outfits in different names.

Since the Indian government is using the regular Indian army to attack and dismantle Kashmiris political demands, the Kashmiris have an equal right to reciprocate in kind.
Since they are Indian citizens they have a right to protest in every Indian city and they can use force like the Indian army is using in Kashmir.

As for as ISI support to Indian groups is concerned, I don’ know myself but that is what I hear from Indians on this site and the Indian newspapers such as outlook, the pioneer, Indian express are full of stories about the ISI links with the naxalites, AP, Maharashtra jharkand or shakkarkund(whatever) and many other states.

What should I believe my lying eyes or Indian newspapers and Indian posters on this site? All I am saying is that the ISI is so influential in India because of Hindu traitors in India.

The ISI should be given credit to give not only Indian security agencies but the India state a run for their money. Read post 63 this RSS agent is saying that ISI controls all dissent in India. India invests Rs. 1200 billion in security agencies every year. All that money is completely wasted if the ISI can still find a good number of Hindu traitors to work with the ISI against the Indian Union in the heart of India.

The ISI bogey shows the inability of the Indian State to deal with its own internal problems.

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HP #77 The logic of what you say in your first para. totally escapes me: no citizen of any country has the right to take the law into his own hands. what am i missing here?

similarly, in your second para., of course the indian military is present in kashmir just as the pakistan military is present in azad kashmir and all over pakistan. what else do you expect these two nations to do other than simply hand over their part of kashmir to some ethnic kashmiri (who would then simply ensure control by creating a kashmir military). these are perfectly acceptable practices by the rules by which the system of nation states operates.

As for ISI supporting lawless groups in India - I hope to God that you are wrong. Do you have any proof of this? Whose interest in Pakistan would it serve to support such groups? Certainly not the ordinary Pakistani who couldnt tell a naxalite from a termite. And certainly not the musharraf government that is smart enough i think to realize that it is being tolerated only as a result of good economic growth, and that the latter is getting a much-needed boost due to improved relations with india.

tahmed,

Kashmir problem is entirely different. Kashmir is a part of India and Kashmiris are fighting the Indian state for their political rights as written in Indian constitution.
Since Kashmiris are Indian citizens, they have every right to take their fight to any Indian city of their choice.

India decided to militarize Kashmir and now Kashmiris have a right to create a security situation in India. Indian army has destroyed commercial life in Kashmir so Kashmir have every right to attack Indian commercial outfits. As I said it is an Indian problem and Indian state chose the weapons there.

Fine, if they wanna give credit to Pakistan and the ISI but that only proves that Indian citizens are traitors to the state of India.

In Bihar, AP, Naxalities, Maharashtrians, and karnatka there are more hindus accepting support form the ISI and Pakistan.

The Indian state has its own Hindu sons betraying Baharat Mata.

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``..A violent end to the life of a most humble and non-violent man....``

Unfortunately but realistically, this is how ``pacificts`` and non violent persons usually meet their fate - as an individual or a group.


Being non violent or pacifict is NOT a virtue. It is lahnat which steals a human`s dignity. First and foremost is self and species` defence and preservation..............


Pacificm has castrated hindus and sikhs.......and such deaths are the result of the disease .....

By no means I am questioning Dr Puri`s personal character.......He did MOST noble deed by taking the bullets for another person......

I am disgusted by the hijrapan of these two communities......unable to defend themselves on their own turf and in their own homes.............

Alas they will never learn, and continue to dwindle...............

dost mittar...
please accept my deepest condolences...has the killer been arrested or identified as an islamic terrorist or which organisation he belongs to...what was the purpose behind this barbarian attack... can any one shed more light on this dastardly attack... thanks.

``...........In a major breakthrough, a Lashkar-e-Taiba operator has been arrested in connection with the terror attack at the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) here on Wednesday last, police said.

Thirty five-year-old Abdul Rehman, a leading LeT operator in the South, was picked up from Nalgonda .......`` from Outlook India......

arjun: you seem to have difficulty learning all by yourself. so i need to step in and provide some remedial training once in a while.

HP: I agree with what you say except the final part. Kashmiris DONT have the right to attack in any city, or anywhere for that matter. They want self-determination and India wont give it to them. Tough. No nation-state normally permits such ``self-determination`` - the US went to a civil war on this issue. Pakistan is fighting baluch separatists on this issue. Nation-states, for better or for worse, are the structure of human society today.

In future, no doubt their significance will be much less than today, anyway. And ethnic allegiances are already weakening around the world as a result of urbanization. Result: issues like kashmir will simply fade away into irrelevance. So, if there is anything constant in our ever-changing world, it is the need for peace and security.

#69 by tahmed32 on January 3, 2006 12:36pm PT

Prophet tahmed(PBUYSRR): I thought you were ignoring me...

arjun #67 You have no proof that the killers were Pakistani citizens? or Indian muslims? They could just as well be hindu extremists who did the killing.

But dont let facts stand in the way of your monkey-ideology.

#67 by HP on January 3, 2006 12:22pm PT



Why the ISI never fails in India


What has it succeeded at?

Liberating Kashmir: Nope..
Breaking up India like 71: Nope...

Kashmir banega Pakistan....NOT!!