Pervez Musharraf Ko Peace Do

Oh boy.

````Incidentally, Musharraf has gone on record to say that he has banned many such organisations and those who have come up under different guises are in the ‘watch list’. He also stated that although he cannot give a certificate, he would ensure that if any such incident occurred he would himself bring the organisation/person to book. ````

The President of Pakistan is also known for his sense of humour.

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As for author`s reference to Baluchistan, my counter question - why is she so sensitive to anything being placed on open forums about the truth in Baluchistan, which is currently the location for nothing short of a pogrom in the course of what is described by the Pakistanis as a ``non-operation``? Why does any sort of interaction which tries to take forward healthy debate on the subject of Muslims destroying each other always face resistance, not just on this website but in many other forums?

Oh yes, it is not secular. Well, secularism be damned in the face of truth, if that has to be the case. And now, no better time than now, because truth is always about the present.

And as for why Baluchistan specifically now, why not since 1970, well, the answer, dear friends, is flying in the wind. Let me try to explain:-

For too many years did we see segments of the Indian perception builders feed us with the lie that it was we in India especially Indian Hindus who were responsible for horrible atrocities on minorities, especially Muslims. This reached a point till we believed in it ourselves.

Now, with the onset of a freer media and more than anything else the realisation within even Indian Muslims that the truth lies as always somewhere in the middle, is the perception based on simple fact that India is a better place for Muslims than most of the Islamic countries in the neighbourhood.

And so, let us discuss Baluchistan now, and let us comment about it, question it as well as be party to trying to resolve the issue.

I have Baluchi roots and connections, and I want answers. So if the author of this article has a problem with that, well, bad luck. We in India ask the people, pretty much every 5 to 5 years, and that suffices. We really can`t go on the steets and seek a 99% mandate than our fair and smiling Generals next door, can we?

sincerely,

Veeresh Malik

`Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official.` (Theodore Roosevelt)

Thanks for this quote.

I believe Musharraf is sincere in all that he wants - modern pluralist relatively secular Pakistan, women`s rights, stable democracy and peace with India... The problem is that his fashion is arbitrary and therefore I am not going to put my money on him...


Sorry to disagree with you but if India really wants to make peace with Pakistan, here is what it needs to do:

1- While demonising Pakistani Military, don`t demonise Pakistan and its people.

2- Instead of clamouring for the rights of ``oppressed groups``, imagined or real, call for and forcefully call for the revival of Pakistan`s constitution and its status as a democracy...


Because these two will win India a lot more friends... it will win India a friend like me... and there are many like me.

``the perception based on simple fact that India is a better place for Muslims than most of the Islamic countries in the neighbourhood.``




Hindu mob burning four young Muslims...


If you wish to talk about Balochistan Veeresh... lets also talk about Kashmir, Punjab, Dalits, Tamils, Nagaland and the 13 other independent nations you are oppressing in India...

Dear Yasser,

Pakistan (and by that I mean the common and ordinary people of the country, not you as an individual) needs to find peace with itself first. Please sort out your genocides and pogroms in Baluchistan, Azad Kashmir and NWFP, get to govern those parts of the country which are still inaccessible, and do the correct thing with women, minorities and bonded labour.

India is doing quite well, thank you, and getting along.

As for ``making peace`` with Pakistan, what gave you the impression that it is any longer a priority? It is just one more of the many things India is doing. If peace is made with Pakistan (whatever that means) fine. If peace is not made, well, life goes on.

India does not need to ``win friends``. India is busy trying to feed people, remove poverty, improve education, enhance governance . . . etcetc. Towards that, we shall manage, thank you.

sincerely, and if you must respond, please try to do so without going into personal attacks and abuse, as is your tradition. (I mean yours as an individual, not anything to do with Pakistan)

Veeresh Malik

A routine day for a Muslim in Veeresh`s Delhi...




This poor fellow...one Dr Abbas- left his home in Delhi and was burnt by a Hindu mob on the way to work for being a Muslim... What a great place to be for a Muslim...

While Veeresh consumed mass quantities of high quality Desai beer... and tells us India is getting along fine.

Yasser says```` If you wish to talk about Balochistan Veeresh... lets also talk about Kashmir, Punjab, Dalits, Tamils, Nagaland and the 13 other independent nations you are oppressing in India... ````

Please do, Yasser. These are topics discussed openly in India.

But this one is about the genocide ongoing in Baluchistan. Go for it, show me the references in the Pakistani media?

sorry for the graphic picture... but one has to call Veeresh`s bluff about India shining...

Pakistani media is 24 hours reporting on Balochistan... but we also know that Bugtis don`t equal Balochistan...

Ferzana,

Perhaps you have forgotten that just a few weeks back during Diwali we had a major multiple bomb terror attack in Delhi where 60 odd people died doing shopping. Also every few weeks we are busting Lashkar cells all over India that are planning to hit even cities in South India. So pardon us Indians for being hesitant about taking Musharraf very seriously about his commitment against terror.

The Chief of Lashkar-e-Toiba Prof. Hafeez Saeed moves around freely in Lahore. He was in Azad Kashmir supervising earthquake relief efforts even as he was threatening India with jihad in all cities of India. Why the hell is Prof. Hafeez Saeed free in Pakistan and giving media interviews? Why doesnt Musharraf arrest him and close his operations? Do you have an answer?

Still India has agreed upon people to people contact, provided massive relief to earthquake victims in Pakistan, opened new rail/bus lines, opened new crossover points on LOC and initiated talks with APHC. So it is not as if India is not doing anything. It is in India`s interest to keep the process moving along, slow as it may be, since it keeps some kind of check on jihadi infiltration and gives us room to focus on economic growth in-house. But we cannot take major steps when abominations like Hafeez Saeed are alive and active in Pakistan.

The revolt in Kashmir is not occuring in the whole state. It is restricted to the Muslim majority part of the state and there is no impact in the Jammu and Ladakh areas.

Pakistan has made official comments on Sikkim, Goa, Punjab and many other ``seperatist`` movements. I personally heard Gohar Ayub run through the Indian ``seperatist`` movements in a statement he made after the Indian nuclear tests.

All in all this article is so full of inaccuracies, it reminds me of a Pakistan Government press release.

“where the chance to give a 50 cent autorickshaw ride to a couple of tourists is a privileged job and most men and women sweat out jobs in rural villages for a dollar or two a day.”
“A dollar goes pretty far in India, so if you can spare some cash for a donation to either of these organizations, you will be making a giant difference in empowering people to take control of their own lives in fighting poverty. - Nathan Newman writing about his travel to India.
http://www.nathannewman.org/log/


I have been saying this for sometime. Indian problems are internal; they don’t want to face the reality that uneven economic progress if any, and loud mouthing about that(India Shining) has sparked a genuine outcry in the rural India and in the states left behind.

The political storm over Natwar Singh has taken its tool and the current Indian government is now paralyzed enough to take any initiative anywhere economic or political.

Mushraf is driving the advantage home. Talking about Balochistan was a meek attempt to find a way to not to discuss the issues on the table. Indian support of Balochistan has actually hurt Baloch. There is no one in Balochistan that has any soft corner for India and if Indian government continued talking about Balochistan then there are forces out there that will come hard at India.

Indians neither have the political will nor the military muscle to change anything on the ground.

Re:HP#12

Ha ha ha!! Wishful thinking on your part. India is 100 times more united and focused on economic matters than Pakistan. You cant even manage 4 provinces without using helicopter gunships and you are giving lectures to us?

I see that the photo I posted has been edited on Veeresh`s request so that it is no longer visible... I am kinda glad... now I can scroll without being pained.

That maybe so... but it is the reality of Veeresh`s Delhi... shameless and wrong.

Re:mantolives #14

Can you post the URL for this story?

Yasser,
It hasn`t been edited out just not visible and it is a gruesome picture and you should only post the URL with enough warning about the nature of the picture. here is the URL for the picture

http://indianterrorism.bravepages.com/charred%20bodies%204.jpg