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Sharon’s Legacy

Karamatullah K Ghori January 12, 2006

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#26 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 5:45:17 pm
Arjun… Excellent point. That’s the beauty of having one’s head firmly placed inside one’s Islamabad. I sometimes wonder, how are they even able to see anything?
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#25 Posted by arjun_m on January 12, 2006 5:41:38 pm
#20 by Urstruly on January 12, 2006 12:30pm PT


since Sharon had stopped doing what he is good at, like butchering helpless people


Sharon stopped killing muslim women and children using helicopter gunships and fighters?

damn..he must be really sick.....

It must be no consolation that the killing of the helpless people is being done using your tax monies...Your ISP probably charges you a tax, part of which is used in this killing...

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#24 Posted by arjun_m on January 12, 2006 5:27:50 pm

The wholesale terror that the Israelis and their Lebanese protégés, the Phalange, unleashed on hapless Palestinians made Sharon a hate-figure forever for the Arabs in particular, and Muslims in general.


And yet the paki army gets a pass for killing a whole lot more muslims....
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#23 Posted by faisaluno on January 12, 2006 1:00:09 pm

excellent analysis. having said, that i think muslims spend far too much time doing matum over the antics over people like sharon and his sugar daddy: bush. these two were not the first non-muslims to take advantage of muslim impotence and in-fighting and they wont be the last. if us muslims want to be masters of our own destiny as our forefathers were for most of islamic history, we will have to put our own house in order. begging non-muslims to show compassion wont get us anywhere cause that’s not the way world works. plus its allah kee shan may gustakhi to do bheek mangna besides being a sorry and a pathetic spectacle.

to put our own house in order, we must do the following:

i. devise ways of providing justice to awam. a content ummah is the base needed for security and indeed for everything else. note: justice does not mean equality.

ii. direct our energies to build economic strength. this is important to provide a dignified living to muslims. also is a pre-requisite for military strength because deterrence is the best defense

iii. cooperate cause as the cliché goes chain is strongest as the weakest link.

there you have it.
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#22 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 12, 2006 12:47:16 pm
#19, arjun {``He`s 77 and 350+ pounds...The fact that he`s lived this long would suggest g_d kept him alive to do what he`s doing.... ``}

Oh Yeah!
The professore lavatore from Bronx is almost 50 and 200+ pounds. Just give her time - she will outweigh Sharon pretty soon.
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#21 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 12:44:57 pm
Yeah God is busy lately, he stampeded some 350 Hajis today in Mekka. I heard that Jews didn’t show up for work.
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#20 Posted by Urstruly on January 12, 2006 12:30:08 pm

#19 by arjun_m

I suggest that you reconsider because the statement in my post is not mine it is your pitaji Pandit Pat Robertson`s statement. In other words, Shri Pat is saying that since Sharon had stopped doing what he is good at, like butchering helpless people, therefore God has punished him with coma.

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#19 Posted by arjun_m on January 12, 2006 12:13:33 pm
#17 by Urstruly on January 12, 2006 10:05am PT


I think Sharon is being punished with coma, by God, for dividing holy land and His people.


He`s 77 and 350+ pounds...The fact that he`s lived this long would suggest g_d kept him alive to do what he`s doing....
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#18 Posted by masadi on January 12, 2006 10:47:48 am
The Israel/Palestine problem is not complicated: we have an occupying power (Israel) and an occupied people (Palestinians), and a huge disparity of power and control between the two, all within the context of International Law, and the UN which has already decided upon the solution (see http://israel.rationalreality.com). If the occupying power desires peace, it can be readily achieved, given its dominant position. So why has peace not become a reality in almost half a century?

In the 1950s C. Wright Mills wrote about the Military Metaphysic- the military definition of reality deeply espoused by the US elite. Why the Israel/Palestine problem will not get resolved and has not been solved so far can be understood, in my opinion, in light of what Mills wrote:

``The expectation of war solves many problems of the ’crackpot realists’; it also confronts them with many new problems. Yet these, the problems of war, often seem easier (for them) to handle, (compared) to political policies that are distasteful to many politicians...The terms of their long term solutions, under conditions of peace, are hard for the capitalist elite to face.`` (Page, 87, Causes of World War III)

What is distasteful to the US and Israeli elite, is peace in the Middle East, and the resulting effect that might have on regional development in the Arab world and US hegemony in a resource rich region. In their uneasy alliance with corporations, whose leadership positions they normally hold when they are not posing as politicians, the Neo-Cons in the US (Israel’s strong supporters) have found dual fulfillment of purpose. The terms of the ``long term solution`` to the ``Palestinian problem`` are what they do not want to face. If that can be avoided, any ``practical problems`` that a new war or a new Intifadah might bring are easier for them to handle. In all such alliances to further power and wealth, human suffering and misery become at best, background noise justified by moral symbols, unconnected events (like the holocaust), media distractions, and stage management. The US and Israel together (and not only Israel), are to blame for the lack of peace and development in the Arab world.

I do not think that peace in the Middle East will ever become a reality as long as US hegemony in the current world system continues to exist. Even if (in an imaginary scenario) the Palestinians voluntarily leave the West Bank and Gaza and hand it over to Israel on a silver platter, Israel will invent a new war in that region, in tune with the desires of the US elite. There will still be no peace.

For example, let`s get a quick history lesson: tolerance is not nurtured or revealed by driving out 700,000 inhabitants from thier land as the Israeli`s did by force of arms in 1948, when they had numerical superiority in the battlefield contrary to the mythological picture of a tiny Israel confronting the Arab Goliath, or by attacking Egypt as they did in 1956 or by preemptively attacking the Arabs in 1967 or by destroying Iraq`s nuclear reactor in 1981 or by invading Lebanon as they did in 1982 or by pushing for the Iraq war like they did in 1991 and 2003 or by imprisoning the occupied Palestinians in a maze of walls and checkpoints like they have been since 1967; over 60% of the Palestinians in the occupied territories live in extreme poverty directly caused by Israeli action, according to all major human rights organizations including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International etc.

Peace is possible only if the current world system with its structure of power and manipulation is altered to one that places humanity and its well being before wealth, resources and profits. Peace, working within the current system, dominated by the US power elite, is impossible to achieve. History bears witness to the fact that regardless of the face or political label of the person in power, or the terminology used for the various ``peace plans``, there has been no peace in Palestine and no end to the Israeli occupation.

That said, Kulharee is talking nonsense. He is justifying the imprisonment of millions of Palestinians in the world`s larges country wide prisons, Gaza and the West Bank where over 60% of the population lives in poverty directly as a result of the crimes of people like Sharon, who by the way was implicated for the Sabra and Shatila massacre of civilians; The Israeli Government`s appointed Kahane Commission (February 8, 1983) stated, ``We have found, as has been detailed in this report, that the Minister of Defense (Ariel Sharon) bears personal responsibility.``


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#17 Posted by Urstruly on January 12, 2006 10:05:06 am


I think Sharon is being punished with coma, by God, for dividing holy land and His people.
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#16 Posted by kaurasach on January 12, 2006 9:32:43 am
This article is by a muslim for the muslims.....an impotent tirade against someone who spanked the combined Arab power despite hands tied by the fifth colunm, liberals, anti semites, politics, etc......


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#15 Posted by Saminasha on January 12, 2006 9:20:19 am
re: 14

Again, it is incumbent on you to make the argument of why something is what you say it is. Otherwise, you are wasting time and playing games.
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#14 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 9:12:28 am
Samina, you are naive to the extreme. Did you ``understand`` the subtle references in his garbage, such as “Berlin Wall”? Obviously not.
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#13 Posted by Saminasha on January 12, 2006 9:08:09 am
re: 11

There is a difference between being critical of Zionist policy and being an anti semite. Please do not confuse the two.
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#12 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 12, 2006 9:01:22 am
{``His background doesn’t differ too much from Saddam Hussain’s who was, likewise, hired as a youthful assassin by the Baathist Party. But look at how vastly differently the two are being treated at the bar of western politics and justice: one is being acclaimed as a hero and statesman while the other is being tried as a condemned pariah and villain.``}

Ghori Sahib,
I am glad that a Chauhan finally gets to engage in a dialogue with a Ghori. :) ``Why can`t we all get along?``

Sir,
I don`t think that the comparison is all that sensible. I agree that both joined terrorist groups in their youth and that both supervised the massacre of thousands of people. The key difference was that Sharon killed Palestinians while Sadman Houston butchered Shia Arabs and Sunni Kurds. Now, the perception of one as a hero and statesman and the other as a pariah and a villain is due mostly to the western press and its own agenda. Even Menachem Begin, the former Irgun terrorist, was a statesman to the one-sided western press.

I agree with Kulharee Bhai in his statement about the Sudan. Yes, Palestinians are the victims and have suffered terribly. I think that they have been usesd as pawns by their Arab brethren to foster various causes - pan-Arab, socialist, Baathist, Monarchist, and Islamist. Thanks for an interesting, timely, and informative article.
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#11 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2006 9:00:01 am
Samina, I say it as I see it. This is supposed to be a place where supposedly grownups come and contribute. My comments are self-explanatory. If you still need explanation, let me say it in simple words. This essay sucks big time, especially when written by someone who represented Pakistan as an Ambassador in other countries. An ambassador never “retires”. Political commentary of such a sensitive nature is not something that these retired FOs should be involved in. Doing so shows how high up anti-Semitism and anti-Israelism runs in Paki society. We all know that to be true, but let’s keep it in the country to sell it to the illiterate and ignorant masses there. There are lots of smart Pakistanis overseas (and a few in Pakistan) who can see thru this garbage.
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