Sharon’s Legacy

Peretz said the conflict with the Palestinians blocks the advancement of Israel`s relations with Muslim states. If Labor wins the coming Knesset elections, the party would seek a final-status peace agreement with the Palestinians by the end of the decade, Peretz said.

Israel`s existence as a Jewish-democratic state is dependent on the strengthening of the Israeli Arab minority, Peretz said.

Likud issued the following statement in response to the Labor leader`s address: ``Peretz`s speech proved that Labor and Kadima are Siamese twins proffering up the same dangerous plan for unreciprocated withdrawals from Judea, Samaria and the Jordan Valley. In addition, Peretz revealed a passive approach in confronting the threats posed by the radical regimes in our region.``

re: 84

maybe naive - but polls can change and besides, netanyahu (a bonafide nutcase), olmert (a likud hawk pretending to be a centerist minus sharon`s stature) and amir ( a sephardi with little/no stature) are the same when it comes to protecting the interests of the israelis - there is no arab leader who thinks like that.

#85 sri {``Even so, let`s see exactly how much land did Israel really occupy ? Well, it turns out the entire land of Israel is about the size of New jersey. Think about it, a land the size of New Jersey surrounded by a sea of hostile Arabs. ``}

Sri Sri,
Oh yeah! Then are you ready to return New Jersey to the Hottentots?

#86

What Indian diplomacy forgot (specially during Indira Gandi`s time) was the art of balance. A foreign policy controlled by ideologues (like this author) went overboard with the whole Palestinian thing. This was over above what was in India`s best interest. Images of Arafat sharing a stage with other NAM leaders damaged India`s foreign policy to some extent and damages NAM irrepairably.

In retrospect it was not that India should have abandoned the Palestinian`s but that we should have not gone overbaord with it. Foreign policy stopped being conducted with India`s interest at heart.

Hi,
I wish to remind arjun_m and others a few details... the fact is that India supported the palestienian cause for several reasons.

1)an important factor was the ``goodwill`` that supporting the palaestinians would bring India in the ME,it would definitely neutralise Pak`s advantage of claiming support for palaestinians on basis of religious brotherhood and getting the muslim countries to support it, in return, on kashmir.

2)Getting trade and other benefits from ME.who in the world needed Indian goods until now?it was the ME countries that helped Indian industry.

3)the support of countries like Egypt was crucial for non-aligned movement.the Baath parties that came into power in countries like syria,libya etc were also not fundamentalist or theocratic.. it was felt that having friendly relations with them would be useful esepcially in undermining Pak`s claim of religious brotherhood.

so its wrong to conclude that India supported Pales`s for nothing or that India did not get anything in return.maybe we didnt get as much as hoped for.. but lets not show contempt for Pales`s or fret about our past policies.

Oh phleeaaaze..... cry me an ocean.

If everybody in this world has to live with such broken hearts because foreigners ``stole`` their home lands then this entire world would truly be a depressing place. How many lands have been conquered by aliens throughout the history ? You don`t see all of them living with such perpetual broken hearts ? If they all have to blow-up Pizza restaurants then I am afraid we will not have any pizza-huts. Heck, may be this humble poster himself may end up blowing large number of people during their friday prayers in Lahore for stealing our ancient Hindu lands. But thankfully we know better than that. Every society other than Muslims has realized the futility of wallowing in self pity and realized the path to progress in this globalized world.

Even so, let`s see exactly how much land did Israel really occupy ? Well, it turns out the entire land of Israel is about the size of New jersey. Think about it, a land the size of New Jersey surrounded by a sea of hostile Arabs. And for such tiny piece of land Muslims are in such Maatam. Such agony at not being able to push all Jews in to the Sea ? Such Maatam at not being able to show the superioity of your God ( or may be that Crazy Prophet ) ?

Well get over it. You guys attacked Israel twice with all your might until now and they beat you fair & square. Besides, what exactly is the difference between a Palestinian and an Arab ? It doesn`t do anybody ( especially Muslims ) any good by living such perpetual state of self pity.

my dear naive Januja -- so much hope for your Umma from such a pair of blood dripping hands -- for so little......and for so soon

now hear the latest -- Netanyahu 13% -- the rest -- Kadima`s Olmert plus Labor`s Amir -- with shifty `Perez for Peace` in between the two ......

this is the COALITION that will rule Israel -- for the final PEACE between Israelis and the Palestinians -- despite the Hamas suicidal gundos and the Jewish homicidal unsettlers....

sadna/arjun -- the blood thinner coumadin or warfarin is a double edged sword -- a little more then you have a deadly stroke by brain hemorrhage -- a little less and a clot forming stroke -- it has to be just right -- now here is a conspiracy theory -- may be some Oslowite `comrades` who got rid of Arafat by putting a whit of arsenic in his qahwa -- also got rid of Sharon by increasing a whit of coumadin in his IV bag......

.....may be now that the two greatest stumbling blocks in the cause of the ME peace -- are removed -- there may be finally the light at the end of that bloody tunned.......amen

#81 by sadna on January 15, 2006 1:13pm PT

We need to increase aid to Israel so they can upgrade their medical system. American tax $$, such as those contributed by maulana urstruly, will ensure that Bibi will get better treatment when he becomes the PM....

arjun_m#77
Well, his doctors might have goofed up. Apparently they concentrated on the hole in the heart and gave him blood anticoagulants after the first stroke instead of realising that he was actually bleeding in the brain.
http://www.forbes.com/work/feeds/ap/2006/01/12/ap2446671.html

Ariel Sharon`s doctors faced new criticism Thursday for failing to divulge a brain disease discovered after the prime minister`s initial stroke and for prescribing blood thinners that may have contributed to a massive second stroke.
.......

Doctors confirmed they knew about the disease after the first stroke, but prescribed the blood thinners anyway, a move outside experts criticized Thursday.

``If someone has a disease that caused bleeding, that causes bleeding, that could cause bleeding in the future, giving anticoagulants ... is certainly an undesirable situation,`` said Amos Korczyn, head of the Tel Aviv University Medical School`s neurology department.

#79 by Urstruly on January 15, 2006 12:38pm PT


This post should have been addressed to me or someone like me.


Someone like you as in people whose tax $$ go to the Israeli state and are probaby being used to keep sharon alive even now?

#78 by r.a.janjua

I think you are barking the wrong tree. He doesn`t give a fine guck if the whole ummah drops dead into the `tathaa khoo` as it is said in Punjabi. He is more worried about his `commrades` who have been permanently sidelined by the religious nuts in Isreal and the chances that they will ever get any political power are as strong as a seeing a fish riding a bicycle on fine sunday morning. This post should have been addressed to me or someone like me. Anyway meassage is understood. As for celebrating the death of this butcher is concerned here is something that Shah Hussain said in one of his kaafi:

dushman maray te khushi na kariyay
keh sajnaN vi mar jana.

re: 76

everyone has to die one day - i see no reason why you should be so happy about this - are you celebrating the prospect of binyamin netanyahu becoming the next israeli p.m. - he has stated clearly on more than one occasion that all palestinians should be relocated to either jordan or saudi arabia - there is no such thing as the west bank, he says - it is judea and sammara according to him - he is also quite capable of demolishing masjid-i-omar and masjid al-aqsa - and what do you think, you and your ummah will do, when that happens - let me enlighten you - nothing - because the ummah is not capable of doing anything - if the ummah was not busy breeding all the time they would have accomplished something by now - the ummah will vent its anger on the streets by burning shops and cars in their own neighborhoods - and maybe blow up a few things here and there - and that would be the end of it.

#76 by nasah on January 15, 2006 8:03am PT

Sharon poisoned himself to death..If he`s alive at 77 and 350pounds, it`s probably because allah loves him and approves of what he`s doing..

Sharon told to go on a diet

JERUSALEM (AP) - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is renowned for his steel will, but there is one thing that just might be stronger than ``the Bulldozer`` - his appetite.

The very overweight leader was released from the hospital Tuesday, two days after suffering a mild stroke, and is under doctors` orders to go on a diet. But aides said he has not yet decided whether to fight his love of all things meaty.

Before the stroke, Sharon reportedly had a meal with family and friends that included hamburgers, steak, lamb chops, shish kebab and chocolate cake. After leaving the hospital, he ate Chinese noodles.

it is rumored that Sharon slow poisoned Yasir Arafat to his death -- little did he know Sharon`s own Hell Hole in his own cruel heart -- and his pot belly bulging with the voracious apetite for Palestinian land -- will take him to the same road that he sent Arafat on......

sub thath puraa ruh jave ga jub laad chulay gaa bunjaraa

Here is the final word on Sharon from one of the great columnists -- Charley Reese enumerating the misdeeds of that evil Man of War -- may his sould rest in in the God of Israel`s Hell that he created for the poor Palestinians men women and children on the Palestinian soil.

Sharon: Not a `Man of Peace`

by Charley Reese

Ariel Sharon, Israel`s prime minister, is for all practical purposes dead.

They might keep his body alive, but if the bleeding was as massive as it`s been reported, then chances of his regaining his mental powers are nil.

Sharon was a great, though controversial, military tactician. I always thought of him as Israel`s George Patton.

He was the father of the settlements in the West Bank and Gaza. He provoked the second intifada. He re-invaded the West Bank and Gaza at a great cost in Palestinian lives. He started the infamous wall in the West Bank area. He was blamed in part by an Israeli commission for the massacres of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon in the 1980s. He himself, in his early career, led a commando raid that massacred a whole village of innocent people in Jordan.

Sharon was a lot of things, but he was not a man of peace.

He never trusted peace. He never trusted the Palestinians. He never negotiated with the Palestinians, and he never intended to.

He and his closest friends must have gotten a great laugh when President George Bush uttered that canard about him being a man of peace. The old man treated Bush and Condoleezza Rice like children, ignoring them when it suited him and easily manipulating them whenever he wanted.

He treated the so-called road map to peace like the joke that it is. As I pointed out, not once in five years did he negotiate with the Palestinians.

One of his cronies admitted in an interview with an Israeli newspaper that the purpose of pulling out of Gaza was to put off negotiating with the Palestinians.

He said they would negotiate with the Palestinians when the Palestinians turned into Finns.

If the Palestinians observed a cease-fire, Sharon would provoke them with attacks and assassinations and then claim he had no partners for peace.

In the meantime, he intended to use the wall to provide for a secure Israel and leave the Palestinians in impossible little ``homelands`` that would make a viable Palestinian state impossible. Sharon`s intention was to do this unilaterally and tell the Palestinians to take it or leave it.

Sharon didn`t mellow with age, but he did come to realize the danger represented by the armies of General Birthrate.

The Arab birthrate is higher than the Jewish birthrate.

If Israel tries to keep all of the Arabs under its control, in not many years there will be more Arabs than Jews in the land. The Zionist goal of a Jewish state, defined as a state with a majority of Jews and a Jewish-controlled government, could then vanish without a shot being fired.

The worry about the peace process in the absence of Sharon is ridiculous. There is no peace process. That`s just something American politicians talk about to hide the fact that they support the Israelis in taking even more of what`s left of Palestinian land.......