Cartoon Clash of Civilizations

i gonna say that
muslim unite muslim ll flight
nothing gonna let us back
if some body do as thing
we break their back

Some European countries (probably) still have laws against defaming Jesus. If governments of those countries supported the freedom to publish the cartoons, that will be hypocrisy.

Europe`s Hypocrisy


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Jyllands-Posten response
In response to protests from Danish Muslim groups Jyllands-Posten published two open letters on its website, both in Danish and Arabic versions, and the second letter also in an English version.[13][14] The second letter was dated 30 January 2006, and includes the following explanation and apology:

In our opinion, the 12 drawings were sober. They were not intended to be offensive, nor were they at variance with Danish law, but they have indisputably offended many Muslims for which we apologize.
It later emerged in the Guardian that Jyllands-Posten did not publish cartoons lampooning Jesus Christ three years earlier becuase the paper thought it would provoke an `outcry`. Furthermore, Flemming Rose, the cultural editor who commissioned the original 12 cartoons, was put on indefinite leave by the paper after he suggested that he would run cartoons satirising the Holocaust, which an Iranian paper Hamshahri said it would publish. ``Jyllands-Posten in no circumstances will publish Holocaust cartoons,`` said the paper

````We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people. They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?`` Calderoli said.``

Caldeoli is giving out free Tshirts with the cartoon.
Did you get yours Bina?

re: Raw_Dust # 115

One would have thought that all those points were self-evident and more-or-less supported by everyone. If not, allow me to express complete agreement with everything mentioned in that post.

When all has been said and explained, after all efforts at peacemaking and mutual understanding have been expended, as they must be, one does have to take an unambiguous stand. After all, we are looking at two completely different - may be equally justifiable - views of our common future.

RE: omar_r_quraishi
i think i had clearly drawn lines of where we disagree.? I will give it one more shot.

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1 - Freespeech is an inalienable human right. (being an equal opportunity offender is not a prereq. to exercise it)

2 - Freespeech doesnot cover
* speech against a group of people branding them in negative terms.
(satire is ok or else woody allen (for example) would have been out of business long time back)

* calls for murder and violence against fellow human beings.

3 - Apart from the qualification applied to freespeech in No. 2. Every idea, personality, public figure, myth is open and fair ground to attack.

aside: This was what people learnt back in the day after shedding alot of blood and sacrifices, Socrates (if i am right) being the first casualty.

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This is My position and i support all who exercise their freespeech and oppose every unnecessary curbs.

I hope i have made myself clear. As always feel free to call me names.

regards.

omar_quraishi said in #60
``you dont win a debate by questioning the personal character of your interlocutor --``

He keeps trying though :)

#108 by teshah on February 10, 2006 7:00pm PT


There is good reason why Muslim reaction is so rabid.
It is because, once criticism of this excellent individual is allowed, the floodgates will open,


The reaction is this violent because the ``moderate`` british muslims and other european muslims were prosecuted after the Salman Rushdie affair..If the Europeans had opened the floodgates and deported a large number of adherents of the religion of peace, britain wouldn`t have to face a day when it`s muslims citizens openly threaten to behead people and glorify the London suicide bombers as the fantastic 4...

Guys,

Enjoy!

http://islamcomicbook.com/

PS. I happen to have a nice large mole just like Prophet Mohammad had on his back. Does this mean that I am an Islamic prophet? Wouldn`t that be a hoot?!!

``Currently assistant editor with Dawn in Karachi. Have been in journalism for over 12 years including 11 with Dawn. Was a reporter for around five years. Obtained a bachelor`s degree in economics and political science from Columbia University (`93) and a master`s from the University of Chicago (`95).``

Still very confused about use of question mark in a question but educated way way beyond his native intelligence. Almost belonged to the `self-certified intelligent people` club of Karanchi but for the money to buy Danish butter.

Currently also Working on cartoons of Jesus and Sharon, soon coming up in Dawn.

#109: Mullah Omar `` warpster is a new addition``.

Does Dawn teach all its employees to tell lies with a straight face or are you just plain stupid and too lazy to check the most obvious thing? Warpster has been on Chowk before you were potty trained Omar. Pay respect to your elders.
From his profie:
``warpster

Member since: October 22, 1999``

the amount of people who live in their dreamworlds -- esp the NRI/NRP type which lives in the US -- and who lurk on chowk is amazing -- warpster is a new addition

warpster -- yes im sure there must be many broadway plays poking fun of jesus -- but im sure there will be none poking fun of David or Solomon -- also warpster beta -- i suppose you`re oblivious to the controls placed on mainstream US media and its manipulation by the Pentagon vis-a-vis the coverage of the war in the Iraq and post 9/11 events in general -- and the last sentence of your post makes you sound like a thomas friedman clone -- i hope you know that the Washington Post and the New York Times are not government funded -- now go shoo away

sadna jee -- actually im not the liar here at all -- i think people can see who is the finest purveyor of double speak and deception on chowk -- btw in case you didnt notice the topic under debate is the cartoon issue not pakistan`s blasphemy law dear --

Omar

There has been a broadway play of Jesus having gay sex with Judas.. Years ago there was a controversy over some artist putting the cross in urine.. There have been hundreds if not thousands of such desecrations. The controversies of offensive representations are about whether such art should be government funded.. not about whether they should be allowed to be created.

Radical islam is a seventh century system for brainwashing desert nomads. Obviously it has been very effective.

Another victory for freedom of the press in the islamic world

KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia has slapped a blanket ban on circulating or even possessing cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad after it closed a local newspaper for printing the same caricatures that have enraged the Islamic world.

p.s. The newspaper was published in a non-muslim province

Full article

Heres a nice video


and a snippet

Students in the Copenhagen council schools shall no longer be denied the choice of pork when they buy their daily hot lunch in the school’s canteen.

regalia

#74

omar_quraishi
Honesty is not your forte, obviously. I have not once argued here that freedom of expression is absolute. I consider the right to life to be absolute though and find it amazing that a man is sentenced to death in Pakistan for what he said. Pakistanis need to get a life.

The cases of Jesus vs Mohammad is not equivalent. Not publishing Jesus cartoons was out of of voluntary self-censorship not out of fear of attacks from Christians. If Christians were as ready to kill people for discussing their faith as Muslims are then cases would be equivalent.

As for holocaust denial or display of Nazi replica being banned, this is to prevent a number of European countries from glossing over the fact that with their collaboration millions of Europeans were persecuted and killed for their faith. It is hard to be outraged by the fact that Europeans aren`t allowed to gloss over their history which can well repeat itself with another community. More countries need to adopt this law against genocide denial I think.

I find it heartening that an Egyptian newspaper published the cartoons in October 2005 without resulting in ANY protest from the general public nor calls for boycott or revenge. This shows some level of orchestration of the protests this year.