The Modernity Conspiracy

Re: # 71

Asadi, like your heroes you get happiness in looking to humiliate and disgrace people, because your coconut is devoid of any ability to reason. What BS proofs have you presented other than your daily boring garbage about the mysterious US elite which have still to be defined. Please have some mercy on educated intelligent people and take your garbage back to camel land. They really need hate mongering scholars like you.

#69 tahmed writes <<< and thou wilt now zip it!!! >>>

Not a chance. I`ll keep humiliating you based upon facts and disgracing you based upon reason. As for your sermons and taking over the domain of God by assinging people to heaven and hell, I`ll leave your judgment and mine to Allah.

and as for ms. shah, the one that claimeth to despise the fruits of the earth even as she doth feast upon them...the Goat itself hath eaten the chapters reserved for those such as thee!!

masadi #67 How the heathen doth rage!!

Heedeth thou not the admonishments of the prophets, O misguided one??!! Trembleth thou not as thy Lord unleasheth Mog and also Magog at sinners like thineself!!

Seeketh thou not penance while there is time still?? Or shall ye wait till the Day that the Trumpet shall sound, the mountains shall float like clouds in the sky, the seas will come to a boil, and the heavens shall be rent asunder?? On that Day the Lord ( thy God) shall descend to earth on His Judgement Seat. On that Day shall Ajooj and Majooj finally break through the netherworld and seek out sinners like thou.

On that Day shalt thou seek penenace..and for penance the time would have passed. And in vain shall thee cry out ``O, if only I had listened to tahmed32 when there was still time``. In vain. And thy Lord shall tell thee that thy time is up, thou hast flunked the test, and thou wilt now zip it!!!

#55 by ranjit <<< Re:masadi#49

What utter bakwaas!! This is total hypocrisy. Actions speak louder than words>>>

After having been logically and factually defeated the idiots keep repeating their nonsense ad nauseum, so that such repition might trap a few unsuspecting folk. Note this now for the 105th time, Actions ONLY speak louder than words when the words are related to the action. My condemnation of the US elite and their global system has nothing to do with where I live, period. My arguments are not based on my personality or my morality or whatever, they are based on logic and facts, empirical evidence that can easily be verified.
I am totally amazed that the so-called educated people on here the physicians and the PhD and the ``IT specialists`` are so moronic and immature in their ability to reason and comprehend. All you education has been worthless if you can`t compose a decent argument or possess no fragment of critical reasoning skills. And I am sorry to say, most of you on here are a total disgrace where it comes to reasoning and thinking. All the wealth and money and goodies of this world and I wouldnt trade my position of reason with your BS.

Read tahmed`s response to my writing in #56. He writes

<<< masadi: Maulana Hamidm has provided you with Qurnaic verses that you would do well to heed and end your mischievous ways.

For verily, the Lord is not fooled by hot-air balloons like thee, O depraved one.!!

The Lord, thy God, shall smite thee with bamboo cane and cast thee unto the seventh circle of Hell, wherein to dwell in misery for all eternity with scum like mullah maudoodi, general zia and other frauds like thou!! Repent thy evil ways before Allah takes note of thy mischief, O hot air balloon!!! >>>

Now do you all need clearer evidence for the fact that this mullah, tahmed cannot deal with a single argument I post. He responds with fire and brimstone sermons condemning me to hell and what not? Is this not the mullah mentality. And wonder of wonders, hamidm2 who cannot find enough time in the day to poke fun at the Quran, quotes the Quran to admonish me, lol, this is the level of their helplessness in the face of facts and reason. Hamidm2 quotes the Quran:

<<< [9.67] The hypocritical men and the hypocritical women are all alike; they enjoin evil and forbid good and withhold their hands; they have forsaken Allah, so He has forsaken them; surely the hypocrites are the transgressors >>>>

Not knowing that this applies to hypocrites like tahmed who quote the Quran yet worship the American elite and their ways, he translates good to mean the ways of the capitalist west and evil to mean anyone going against those. How can evil be to seek justice and equality for humankind? How can it be evil to desire healthcare and proper nutrition for all? How can it be evil to condemn barbaric wars conducted by the American elite and finally how can it be evil to condemn ``yufsidoon a fil ard`` mass corruption/slaughter on earth?

You damn fools are pathetically ignorant and tahmed while condemning the Mullah`s has taken over the domain of Allah himself by assigning people to heaven and hell. He is a hypocrite and an idolator who worships the American elite.

And Kulharee Pakistani`s and Indians were not eating grass and goat dropping before your mysterious man from Cornell showed up. In fact the textile industy in India was much more advanced than that in Britain before the colonials destroyed it. And yes it is the purpose of these industrialists and the first world to keep the third busy with primary product production. Where is the equal sharing of technology if they mean well? Once again you speak without facts, the only ``droppings`` are the ones coming out of your mouth.

#65 If I had a penny for every time I heard someone say ``but hell would be where the fun people will be``, I could probably buy both jannat and dozakh and still have money left to spare.

And of course the haraamis of the world - the maulvis, the dictators - will all be in dozakh. Why would God put Madonna in dozakh, e.g.?? She has brought joy, not misery to the world!! She doesnt rant against other people or religions like maulvis. She doesnt overthrow elected governments!! And (to the best of my knowledge) she does not burp like a bullfrog after every meal like Masadi does (in imitation of his maulvi heroes)!!

Who wants to be in jannat with a million pieces of bearded jehadized sunni body parts - some carefully wrapped in Reynolds aluminum foil - rapaciously jumping on the hapless 72 virgs? Wouldn`t one rather be in jahannum with the rest of the much more interesting kafirdom?

RE: hamidm:
``...... this is what al-lah has to say about maulana masadi and comrade saima :
[9.67] The hypocritical men and the hypocritical women are all alike; they enjoin evil and forbid good and withhold their hands; they have forsaken Allah, so He has forsaken them; surely the hypocrites are the transgressors.
``

that verse trully knocked the living daylights out of me !

i was thinking saima shah and masadi would be dwelling anywhere But in my cosy compartment of Hell that was gonna be munafiq, kaafir only..

this cant be true!. it`d be hell to put up with `em for a friggin` eternity! i am so pissed right now.. :<

Re: # 61 Khalid_ahmad

I am total agreement with you.

Its classic example of USA Bad, West Bad, Technology Bad, Capatilism Bad , conspiracy Syndrome; ever so prevalent in pseudo intellectuals.

these guys have found an easy answer to every ill of third world;

#61 by khalid_ahmad on March 15, 2006 8:09am PT


USA bad. Modernity bad. Technology bad. Sounds no different than a rabid foaming mullah/mulli or commie/comma, doesn`t it?


It`s an incurable disease..America Is Doomed Syndrome(AIDS for short, if you will)..

Okay Saima Shah I actually read throug the entire ramble. Now tell me, what`s your point?

Tell you what. Using modern Find & Replace TECHNOLOGY, replace all the ``we`` (yes all 10,000 of them) in the ramble with an ``I``, and you can instantly see where all the problems and solutions lie.

USA bad. Modernity bad. Technology bad. Sounds no different than a rabid foaming mullah/mulli or commie/comma, doesn`t it?

``You see Watson, it is so obviously gratifying. Just guzzle some Chomsky koolaid and come running enlightened to belch all over a chat forum.``

In the early 60s, a Cornell professor, sponsored by the Rockefeller foundation helped Pakistan achieve the Green Revolution. If it weren’t for that, you will all be eating grass and goat droppings. I wonder how many of Asadi’s heroes have done anything to improve the lives of the residents of the poor countries?

Are technology and modernity synonyms? I don`t think so. Japan isn’t very modern even though technologically very advance. As somebody said, “Modernity is in mind.” Kabir and Nanak were uneducated but very modern but Tulsidas by contrast very educated, yet no less than a Mullah i.e. assuming being Mullah isn’t modern.

Turkish toil brings new form of faith
By Aasiya Lodhi
Producer, Night Waves, BBC Radio 3


Industrial and religious renewal go hand in hand in Turkey
In the Turkish city of Kayseri, Saffert Arsalan proudly shows off his furniture-making factory.
In little over a decade, Mr Arsalan`s business has grown from a small enterprise to a multi-million pound international operation, exporting products to the United States, Germany and Israel.
It`s an enormous success story for a man whose own father had been a carpet weaver, eking out a living in a traditional artisan economy.
Yet Mr Arsalan is not alone.
His native city is full of prospering entrepreneurs like him who are turning this former merchant trading town into a booming manufacturing hub.
Pro-business
Kayseri is one of a handful of cities industrialising at an astonishing rate in Anatolia, Turkey`s central province and the country`s Islamic heartland.
Unlike the big urban centres of Ankara and Istanbul, the population is made up of devout, conservative Muslims.

Kayseri is a rising centre of entrepreneurial spirit
Restaurants rarely serve alcohol, unmarried men and women don`t mix on the streets, and there is little in the way of nightlife.
Yet the new entrepreneurialism sweeping across the province is providing an unlikely catalyst for a remarkable religious transformation.
A new form of Turkish Islam is emerging here, one which is pro-business and pro-free market, and it`s being called Islamic Calvinism.
Working hard
One of the first to use this description was the former mayor of Kayseri, Sukru Karatepe.
A softly-spoken man who taught sociology before entering politics, Karatape noticed striking similarities between the changes in Kayseri and the famous thesis of the German economist Max Weber, who argued that the strong work ethic of the Protestant movement gave birth to modern capitalism.

Sukru Karatepe coined the Islamic Calvinist phrase
``I had read Weber, who`d written about how Calvinists work hard, save money and then reinvest it into business,`` he says.
``To me, it seemed very similar to what was happening in Kayseri.
``People in Kayseri also don`t spend money unnecessarily. They work hard, they pride themselves on saving money. Then they invest it and make more money.
``In fact, in Kayseri, working hard is a form of worship. For them, religion is all about the here and now, not the next life. Making money is a sign of God`s approval, and this is also similar to what Weber said about the Calvinists.``
Modern Islam
It is a view echoed by Gerald Knaus, director of the think-tank European Stability Initiative, which recently published a report on the Islamic Calvinist phenomenon in Anatolia.
``Those doing business in Kayseri themselves argue that Islam encourages them to be entrepreneurial,`` he says.
``They quote passages from the Quran and from the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad which read like a business manual. They tell me, it`s important to create factories, to create jobs - it`s what our religion tells us to do.``

Turks in Kayseri reconcile piety with economic success
The label of Islamic Calvinism, however, has caused a furore in the Turkish press.
Critics say it`s a Western conspiracy to Christianise Islam, but others have passionately argued in its favour, holding it up as a model for how Islam and modernity can co-exist.
One of its most prominent defenders has been Turkey`s Deputy Prime Minister, Abdullah Gul, himself a native of Kayseri and the son of an entrepreneur.
He sees no contradiction in the term and argues that Turkey can provide a lasting template for a new kind of modern Islam.
``The most important thing to ask,`` he says, ``is what kind of modernism do we want? Are you living in this world, or are you dreaming?
``The people in Kayseri are not dreaming - they are realistic, and that`s the kind of Islam we need.
``They go to the mosque, they lead pious lives, but at the same time they are very active economically.
``This is what modernism means to me, and this is why this new Turkey will ultimately be an asset to the European Union.``

and as for you, ms shah, i really think you should take life more seriously. if you were serious about what you wrote, you wouldnt be writing this article on the internet. you would be living in a cave somewhere, where even scrawling pictures on the wall would be considered ``modernity`` as opposed to the good old way of living the natural way.

as for Turkey - like many pakistanis, you seem to think that turkish history starts with ataturk. in fact, turkey`s (and the vast area covered by the ottoman empire) downfall had started in the 15th century because europe accelerated forward through the advent of the age of reason. This failure to modernize in the all-important socio-economic sphere translated in due course into political failure, starting perhaps in 1775 (the treaty of Kuchuk-Kainarji with russia after turkey lost the first of several wars with russia). To this day, turks (like the rest of the muslim world) still dont get it: you can refuse to modernize in the socio-economic sphere, but you refuse at your own peril, since in due course you will be put in your rightful place - at the bottom of the list of human societies.

That is why sir syed is banging his head in heaven upon reading our article, as I mentioned earlier.