Sanitising the Supremo

re: # 24

Fascism`s and Mussolini`s connection with religion was quite intimate, forming a mutually supportive, international alliance for domination of others, and of other cultures.

Golwalkar was less than a nobody in that arrangement.

Golwalkar was a product of his times. When the khilafat movement died in the 1920s, Gandhi`s attempts to bring religious muslims to join his movement backfired and Hindu-Muslim unity turned into Hindu-Muslim enmity with Mopla riots in Malabar coast and elsewhere. The resulting communal polarisation created support for both Hindu and Muslim communalism. Some of the Hindu communalists were also impressed by Fascism, especially Mussolini in Italy and Hitler in Germany. Golwalkar was one of them.

Hey, at least nobody is trying to sanitize that other supremo, Prophet Mohammad.

His insanity is being proudly proclaimed as the Way of Life for All Time to Come.

#16 Manto

Thanks.

It must be usual BS for free chicken-tikka in Lahore or Peshawar. Khoob Chutiyya Banao gullible faithful ones.

There is something about GolWal-kar by our friend Gatadya. As usual not read though. It`s all GolMal. There must be lot of Maal coming in lifafa. These ga..dus will chutya banav common RamPyaris and AllahRakhis poor kids. When there is no Sankalp it`s all Vikalp. ...
What next H5N Flue spells and rhimes with Hindu (5 letters) aNd Jew! Soo...It`s a conspiracy of Hindus and Jews.
Hey Gatadya, how many jobs have you created this month?

i visited nagpur a couple of years back for the first time. nagpur is a bastion of two political movements, the bal-bhim crowd (Republican-dalit party) and the jai-bajrang crowd (the RSS). (they are however not at odds with each other.)

the RSS crowd feels really anacronistic in todays world. the shakhas are mostly full of 60+ folks. They are at most proud of making sure that no squatters from bangla-desh build huts in their muhallas (though their pride is misplaced, there are plenty of colonies). a few youngsters still join the RSS and their parents worry who will marry them. all doctors and professional who are retired gulf returnees seem to be kattar RSS supporters and are busy with blood-banks etc, but they too are 60+.

they all conceeded that rss is dying due to too much prosperity.

Ref kamath #17

[Mr. Subhash Gatade:

What you say is absolutely right. This whole gang of RSS fascist thugs, Shiv Sena goondas and wretched BJP has done great deal of damage to Indian psyche and culture.]

On the other hand, I presume that getting your ancestors raped by Islamist thugs has contributed to the mental health of Indians, and burning down the temples in India has done wonders for its culture.

Go suck donkey dong.

Ref avkrishna #2

[Who is more inmical to Hindu interests:

RSS or Commies??

Somehow the answer is very clear.. ]

Change ``Hindu`` to ``India``. Surprisingly, the answer doesn`t change.

Mr. Subhash Gatade:

What you say is absolutely right. This whole gang of RSS fascist thugs, Shiv Sena goondas and wretched BJP has done great deal of damage to Indian psyche and culture.

These chaps remind of smelly holes in the human body It is fact of life of nature.-universal truth.

bJ...

You sir are a true poet.

#12 by Mantolives

[Oh poor baby- did I hurt you with my verse?]

Only an utter fool would think that some obscure verse by an even more obscure poet is some kind of a gospel truth. And Yasser, the mercenary convert has proved it over and over again.

#12 Manto Mian,

Let me repeat.

``But he was only a poet – so I like him anyway! I have this thing for poets – call it MY idiosyncrasy!``

Monty, NEVER confuse a poet with a lawyer! Poets are spontaneous. They flow.

Lawyers never flow.

The point of the interact was - that poets are not always the most pragmatic of people. They don`t think things through.

That is one characteristic you DO share with that poet!

PS: Zafar Ali Khan was the editor of a magazine called ``Zamindar`` which was the mouthpiece of the Unionists in Lahore.

He supported the Lahore resolution because his unionist mentor Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan was the prime mover along with Fazlul Haq of Bengal under the Sikandar-Jinnah pact.

Akbar-e-Azam ofcourse was a potent symbol of the Mughal Zenith for Muslims ...

#9

Oh poor baby- did I hurt you with my verse?

That he (Zafar Ali Khan) was close to Sikandar Hayat Khan and Sir Fazli Hussain before him should win him a lot of points with Sadna who doesn`t tire praising these charlatans.

pmishra #10

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good post.. had more value than the actual FP article.

There is exactly one interesting statement in this article

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It is a different matter that despite espousing a sectarian agenda the Golwalkarian project of remaking of Indian society continued to move ahead albeit slowly. The `success` of the Golwalkarian project in winning over a chunk of our society to its side definitely demands a separate treatment which is beyond the purview of this short note.
[quote]

Now, great left-wing intellectual, please tell us why you are unable to discuss this?

What are the objective reasons that a relatively obscure and conservative organization became increasingly acceptable to many indians? Including millions who are supposed to natural allies of the marxists: poor people, many of lower-caste ancestry.

You have no answer because you have a different agenda. Your agenda is proving that all RSS people are fascists and nazis. I would say that by this criteria 80% of catholic church, 100% of communist party people are also fascists and nazis. But you would never apply these criteria uniformly, would you??

As for the belief that RSS=Nazi, because they have some approving quotations about Hitler in the 30s. I have bad news for you: in the 30s people like Hitler were widely admired throughout the world by many people. It was the combination of economic advance of german people, standing upto the british power that was part of it. Racism was also not considered the sin it is considered today. It was only after Hitlers invasion of Poland and his subsequent mass-murder of jews and gipsies that there was mass revulsion against him.

But why bother about these subtleties? You admire a mass murderer like Stalin and offer him pooja day and night TODAY in 2006. You admire a killer like Mao today in 2006. But being a hypocrite, you feel it OK to criticize other organizations backwardness.

Some links of interest to people who deal with real history vs. fairy tales:

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0310j.asp

Hitler’s Mutual Admiration Society

During his campaign, California’s governor-elect, Arnold Schwarzenegger, got himself into hot water with his praise of Adolf Hitler’s oratorical skills. Maybe he should have reminded people of a dark secret that went down the public-school memory hole long ago, for obvious reasons: the mutual admiration society that existed between Hitler and other Western leaders during the 1930s.

In his book Adolf Hitler, John Toland points out,

Churchill had once paid a grudging compliment to the Führer in a letter to the Times: “I have always said that I hoped if Great Britain were beaten in a war we should find a Hitler who would lead us back to our rightful place among nations.”

In his book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L. Shirer wrote,

A foreigner, no matter how anti-Nazi, could come to Germany [from 1933 to 1937] and see and study what he liked — with the exception of the concentration camps and, as in all countries, the military installations. And many did. And many returned who if they were not converted were at least rendered tolerant of the “new Germany” and believed that they had seen, as they said, “positive achievements.” Even a man as perspicacious as Lloyd George, who had led England to victory over Germany in 1918, and who in that year had campaigned with an election slogan of “Hang the Kaiser,” could visit Hitler at Obersalzberg in 1936 and go away enchanted with the Fuehrer and praise him publicly as “a great man” who had the vision and the will to solve a modern nation’s social problems — above all, unemployment.

A reminder of this dark secret recently surfaced on the Internet in the form of a nice review of Hitler’s mountaintop home, published as late as 1938 by a prominent British magazine named Homes & Gardens.

So why were people so enamored with Hitler? The major reason is that the 1930s were the period when capitalist countries were abandoning the philosophy of the free market and adopting the same socialist and interventionist economic policies that Hitler and his fellow socialists embraced.

#4 Yasser

Your constant penchant for quoting unknown poets made me curious so I looked a bit into this gentleman Maulana Zafar Ali Khan.

Apparently, he was of a “free-flowing” variety and penned many verses.

In fact, I was particularly struck by the following beauty, which apparently gushed out and about and all over when Sir Sikander Hayat was elected as Chief Minister to the Punjab.

“…Kio [kai?] din men yahan phir
Daur-e-Akbar ane wala hai
Sikander hai Abul Fazl
Aur Manoharlal, Todarmal.”

“…Before long will come here again the regime of Emperor Akbar [the Great] with Sikander as Abul Fazl and Manoharlal as Todarmal.”

I suppose the Maulana’s concept of what constitutes LONG was a little different from mine – though perhaps not much different from yours – as far as what would constitute a regime of the great Akbar!

But he was only a poet – so I like him anyway! I have this thing for poets – call it MY idiosyncrasy!

PS: to answer those Pakistani doubting Thomasaes who are shaking their heads suspiciously and saying – why is this guy is quoting the Maulana – you have legitimate reasons to be afraid! The adversary who can understand you is the one who can REALLY eat you for lunch – because you have denied yourself that very abilty!

warpster:

Yeah, I have never heard of Golwaker except that he was some old time RSS dude. Never read a single book, article about him. But I do recognize the Leftists as a clear and present danger.

Hey - like a few hundred million Indians I am a big time BJP supporter , but dont know much about Gowalkar. Infact I have barely heard of him. But if anti-India commies like Gatade here hate him so much , he must have been a great chap. God bless him.

golwalkar who ??

99 % Indians have no idea that such a person existed. Isnt the RSS on the wane ? And do they particularly care for what G wrote about ? It was at its peak maybe 40-50 years back.

Never cared to learn about Golwalkar, but if Mr. Gatade (whoever he or she is) does not like someone then the person must be good.

To edit Zafar Ali Khan`s verse on Gandhi and Savarkar ever so slighty ... to accomodate Golwalker... especially for the Bjoker...

Ik Hee hain Golwalkar o Gandhi

Jhoot ka chalta hai ik Jhakkar, Makkar ki uthti hai ik andhi


translation:

Golwalkar and Gandhi are one and the same.
One a storm of lies, the other tempest of deceit

An interesting article. When people die and the years pass by, their lasting power only depends on whether some of their ideas had any grassroot appeal or not - the idiosyncracies can be seen for what they were. My knowledge of Golwalkar is virtually zero but perhaps an argument could be made that some of his ideas did have appeal to the masses which were sooner or later bound to sprout - whereas on the other side, politicians like Jinnah failed to get anywhere with a ``Muslim secular`` state concept because such a concept never penetrated to HIS grassroots.

Since the year 1984 already passed over two decades ago, it is a factual inaccuracy to call it ``prophetic`` - unless your thinking is still stuck in the nineteen fifties.

Since in an earlier article, you stated that RSS and Al-Qaida were virtually analogous, perhaps you can trump this article with an equally hard-hitting article on OBL - and maybe even explain to us why some Indians in this day and age are proudly holding OBL placards yet nobody is holding Golwalkar placards?

And are you expecting a RSS ``fatwa`` for writing this article? I wonder why - or why not?

[...the Rulers of Oceania, by their language of newthink and process of doublethink, convinced the masses that statements formerly considered irrational were rational.]

And when is chowk changing its name to Oceania. Oops, I forgot - they need to be able to CONVINCE the masses.

[....the way an organisation which was on the margins of Indian society for a long time could reach the centrestage of Indian politics.]

This guy Golwalkar must be VERY powerful if he can make all that happen even when he is already dead! I wonder how he pulled that trick!

hmm..

Who is more inmical to Hindu interests:

RSS or Commies??

Somehow the answer is very clear..

- Avkrishna

The way we are being presented with a repackaged Golwalkar just goes to show that their `mission rewriting history` is really endless.

As opposed to you commies who always speak the truth! Right!