Rethinking Foreign Policy -- Can Pakistan and India Agree?

BTW, I feel sorry for those who have to undergo humiliating strip searches just because they were born in a Muslim household. Even so, they have to be admired for their courage because they chose to remain Muslim, unlike turncoats like you who changed faith to escape persecution.

#545 by Mantolives

[Now you`ve gotten really boring.. as is your skills were rather mediocre and while I don`t go by how a person looks, you would know where you stand in that department.]

Now that you`re unable to refute any of my arguments, this is your last resort Yasser, but please expect no mercies from me. If color determines a person`s look, I`m sure you`d think the neighborhood white pig looks so much better than you.

[Your conservative and fundamentalist Hindu background must close any remaining doors.]

Aww..it just doesn`t work this way in the real world Yasser. You must step out of your delusions once in a while and see how it works. If you guys call yourselves ``liberal`` Ismailis (the other one formed a nation based on religious exclusivity), I`d take a ``conservative and funamentalist Hindu`` any day.

[So- while I can`t understand your angst .. I do sympathise with your current situation. May God help you- or maybe you should convert... to Ismailism? I extend dawah.]

No thanks, but I`m very secure about my identity. Unlike you, who had to convert just because the word ``Ahmadi`` is a dirty word in Sunni Islamic Pakistan, I feel absolutely no need for that.

Dear Manto,

(However... I apologise for any offence caused to decent Hindus from India both me or my friend Behram... these include people like Dost Mittar, Stuka, Majumdar and Anil Kapuria etc... though I have a suspicion they already understood the tone in which it was said/written. )

No need to apologise. A good full blooded slanging match is good fun, sometimes. Better than exchanging nukes.

Regards

Harish yaar...

Now you`ve gotten really boring.. as is your skills were rather mediocre and while I don`t go by how a person looks, you would know where you stand in that department. So I suppose any and all chances of getting a life are now permanently lost. Your conservative and fundamentalist Hindu background must close any remaining doors.

So- while I can`t understand your angst .. I do sympathise with your current situation. May God help you- or maybe you should convert... to Ismailism? I extend dawah.

#542 by dotty bhai

[is that not the current attitude prevalent in pakistan? I mean what else does ``islamic republic`` mean?]

And that is why in Jinnah`s Pakistan, you need to declare in your passport that you believe in the finality of Prophet Mohammed and that the Ahmadi prophet (PBUH) is an imposter. Jinnah wanted a separate homeland for Muslims alright, but like on so many other things, he forgot to mention which sect of Muslims. Had Pakis believed in his ``Hindu will cease to be Hindu, Muslim will cease to be Muslim`` speech (they thought he was kidding (he might well have been kidding). Who`d have believed him after he created a country by spilling others` blood on religious grounds?) If only Pakis had believed him, poor Yasser might not have had to convert to Ismailism.

#540 by Mantolives

[Your problem is you try to over reach your capacity in being clever by half... in the process you are lost to pitfalls of your apparent overcompensation.]

Tall words for someone who`s repeteadly been proven to contradict himself so very often. Yasser, whenever you resort to such high-falutin BS, it becomes clear to everyone that you`re trying to wriggle out of your own stupidity. How accurate BJ was when he said about you ``thou doth protest too much``!

[Besides being Patriotic to me does not mean the gung ho ``I love my wrinkly Bharat mata whatever her faults`` BS .]

I know I know, you will try to explain your way out (obviously not very convincingly) of any situation, but isn`t that why you said `` there are some very decent Hindu folk in Karachi... who are patriotic Pakistanis``? And wasn`t it Jinnah who complained that he got a ``moth-eaten`` Pakistan which was further decapitated in 1971? So logically, shouldn`t it be wrinkly Pakistan?

[.. a Patriotic Pakistani is someone who is law abiding and pays his constitutional due to society and country ... to me Rasul Bux Palejo is a remarkable patriot... so was Wali Khan.]

Thanks, but you already explained yourself and I`m not convinced.

#541 is that not the current attitude prevalent in pakistan? I mean what else does ``islamic republic`` mean?

.... Nor does a Pakistani patriot have to conform to any Gandhian test- ``I am a Hindu first and therefore a true Indian``.

Harish,

Your problem is you try to over reach your capacity in being clever by half... in the process you are lost to pitfalls of your apparent overcompensation.

My post is there very clearly. Besides being Patriotic to me does not mean the gung ho ``I love my wrinkly Bharat mata whatever her faults`` BS ... a Patriotic Pakistani is someone who is law abiding and pays his constitutional due to society and country ... to me Rasul Bux Palejo is a remarkable patriot... so was Wali Khan.

#538 by Mantolives

[I can see why someone like Harishhyd may confuse my simple statement to remind my dear friend Behram that there are many Hindus from his city who are also patriotic Pakistanis... with their own bigotry... after all to be a decent Muslim, one apparently has to badmouth the prophet... or else he is not a decent Muslim.]

Not at all dear Yasser. My statement exactly mirrors yours, for wasn`t it you who had said Abdul Kalam, Irfan Pathan, Shahrukh Khan, and Azim Premji were celebrated by Indians just because they put their Indian identity above their Muslim identity? What is good for Muslims should be good for Hindus no? Or like Jinnah, do you want to tell us that though all men are made equal, Muslims are more equal than Hindus?

I can see why someone like Harishhyd may confuse my simple statement to remind my dear friend Behram that there are many Hindus from his city who are also patriotic Pakistanis... with their own bigotry... after all to be a decent Muslim, one apparently has to badmouth the prophet... or else he is not a decent Muslim.

However... I apologise for any offence caused to decent Hindus from India both me or my friend Behram... these include people like Dost Mittar, Stuka, Majumdar and Anil Kapuria etc... though I have a suspicion they already understood the tone in which it was said/written.

#528 by Mantolives

[In any event... Behram don`t lower your dignity by interacting at their level. There are some very decent Hindu folk in Karachi... who are patriotic Pakistanis...]

LOL! So the new standard for Hindu decency is that he/she must be a patriotic Paki! And poor non-Karachiite Hindus, they just don`t qualify to be decent.

#528 YLH: now that is a quotable quote from !

poor sod Behram1 - having to listen to YLH!

I would let behram alone. He is a poor pakistani (possibly parsee) who probably failed in final year Mechanical Engineering examinations at university and so now he is working as plumbing consultant as a poor asian immigrant earning his dau waqt kee daal roti. All his hatred is probably nothing but a lot of hot gas he is forced to smell as plumbing consultant.

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``Behram don`t lower your dignity ``