Rethinking Foreign Policy -- Can Pakistan and India Agree?

#54 by behram1 on March 13, 2006 7:09am PT


What happened to a choutia response from you of this post on the Iran site?


Hello inbred retard..I`ve chosen to reply to actual facts, not your wishful thinking..Like the article about the pakis being deported...actual FACTS..

BTW: Have you started shopping? Who knows when you might be deported..You don`t want to go back empty handed to your parents/inlaws(or are they the same people)?

Dost-mittar: You type of people are a dying breed...you know your type: the kuldip nayyar,indo-paki-bhai-bhai, can`t we all just get along, the pakis are just like us, punjoo-punjoo buddy type..

Nobody cares about your wagah candle lighting ways..Your type is sooo out of touch with what the current generation of Indians think...thankfully, we don`t have to endure this kuldip nayyar type candle kissing nonsense for much longer..

Indian Snapshot


It is a truism within Big Media to say that the people of India want peace with Pakistan. My sense, however, was that while nobody wants another war, outside of Delhi and parts of the Punjab perhaps there was no great warmth towards Pakistan. Most of India is young, does not care about Partition and sees Pakistan as just another foreign country — and a hostile one at that.

When peace with Pakistan came up, every single person I met was clear: there could only be peace on our terms. And this meant not giving up an inch of Kashmir. Nor was there any support for the idea of more autonomy for Kashmir.

Re: # 53. Tahmed Saheb;
I must be saying something right to have invited your unsolicited jab!

Iron mask...

Read again. I am saying that you are NOT a bania... you are kammi kameen. I admire the banias... of any faith ... you are a bad name to it.

As for your personal circumstances... they are more than apparent in your pathetic attempts to present yourself as some kind of soothsayer...

Bipolar Factoid Junkie:

Here are the actual facts.

Illegals send money home. And so do Hindoos of India.

Illegals brought their religion, their customs, their traditons, their language. And so did the Hindoos.

The only exception is that illegals do not send American jobs back to their home country.

And Hindoos do. Hindoos have stolen thousands (nay millions) of American jobs, and also feel proud of it. They promote the well being of the MNCs.

Will a hindoo like you ever promote the well being of the American people? Now that is the main question.

Should you not join those of us who want the toughest immigration reform bill as passed by Congressman Tancredo of Colorado?

Trust me Bipolar, you can generate love for the American people and not side with those who have already robbed millions of American jobs.

Just go and take some lithium as your doctor has prescribed, and you might see some light in being honest. All the hindoos can ever do is rob and steal jobs, as they did in Uganda.

Lesson for DM types: (insert cliche about one swallow not making a summer)..

Economic growth figures revised downwards
By Khaleeq Kiani

ISLAMABAD, March 12: The government has significantly lowered economic growth forecasts made in the annual plan of the federal budget for 2005-06 because of lower than expected growth in agriculture and manufacturing sectors.

Subsequently, the government had revised the estimated GDP (gross domestic product) growth rate down to 6.2-6.4 per cent during 2005-06, instead of the budgetary target of seven per cent, a senior government official told Dawn.

A few days ago, the revised estimates was approved by the National Economic Council under the prime minister on the basis of mid-year review by relevant government agencies. The official said that the final growth rate might be even lower. Services sector is the only major segment of national economy that is likely to meet its budgetary target of 6.8 per cent.

The annual plan had forecast the GDP growth at 7 per cent by projecting 4.8 per cent growth in agriculture, 9.5 per cent in industrial manufacturing and 6.8 per cent in services sectors. However, the agriculture sector’s growth estimate has now been revised to 3 per cent while the estimate for industrial sector’s growth has been put at 9.0 per cent.

Major crops had been projected to grow at 6.6 per cent but the estimate were reduced to 1.9 per cent mainly because of lower than targeted production of cotton and sugarcane.

Similarly, the large- scale manufacturing was originally estimated to grow at 13 per cent but it has now been revised to 12 per cent. “Even this 12 per cent growth is disputed,” said the official, adding that the growth of cotton yarn needed to be verified.

He said the services sector was also showing negative tendencies but would be offset by earthquake-related activities, including a significant increase in the volume of exports and imports and unprecedented inflows of foreign private investment. As a result, “services sector growth rate is estimated to maintain 6.8 per cent target,” he said.

Informed sources said the 6.4 per cent GDP growth had been estimated on the basis of 12 per cent growth of large-scale manufacturing but there were strong indications that the growth might be just 10 per cent, reducing the GDP growth rate to 6.2 per cent.

According to the Planning Commission, the GDP growth was running below target and inflation was higher than the targeted rate. It said that while export growth was impressive but the rate of increase in imports was even larger, which could lead to a huge trade deficit.

These sources said the government’s target for borrowing for budget financing had already exceeded the full year’s target in just six months, which showed a massive widening of gap between revenue and expenditure.

The borrowing for budget financing from July to January 21 stood at Rs109 billion against the annual credit plan of Rs98 billion, showing the pressure on the fiscal situation.

Inflation exceeds budget target

ISLAMABAD, March 5: There has been a decline in foreign exchange reserves, a fall in large-scale manufacturing and the core inflation crossed 11 per cent during the first six months of the current fiscal year, while trade and current account deficits have surged by more than 100 per cent, according to the finance ministry.

Hindoo Bipolar Factoid Junkie Choutia is in overdrive. That is what the hindutva has ordered for this hate monger to do.

So here is the question for your bipolar brains to kick in:

Why do hindoos from India rob American jobs? The same people who are so generous and so giving. Should you hindoos not love this country, instead of saboutaging the people of United States?

You rob the US by sending money through Citigroup Bank, and Bank of America. And that is not considered money laudeering? You send money through your temples to your Hindutva and from that money they terrorize and kill women and children of minorities, whether muslims or christians.

Is that not money laundeering?

You hindoos have done human smuggling and bring people to the west, and that is not considered bad in your vocabulary.

You are not supporting the right immigration bill because you do not support the American people.

And that is the real you.

should`nt indians worry about feeding bhokay nungay indians first?

http://www.chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID=%7B4EE518A6-6A60-480C-8A0B-9E9873833C9C%7D&CATEGORYNAME=National

Poverty glares India`s lower middle class

New Delhi, Feb 3: India`s lower middle class is on the threshold of crippling poverty, Vice-President Bhairon Singh Shekhawat said today as he underlined the need for firm action to resolve massive economic disparities in the country.

``Our lower middle class is on the brink of slipping down below poverty line. Just the cost of treatment for an ill family member of one such household is sufficient to push it down below poverty line,`` Shekhawat said at an award ceremony.


The Vice-President, who recalled his several encounters as Rajasthan Chief Minister with complex social issues, said poverty in the country today was as severe as it had been decades ago.


``I have spent 50 years in politics and I can see no difference in levels of poverty. The only difference is that now the poor blame their condition on system rather than God,`` Shekhawat remarked.


The Vice-President, who also spoke about the recent spate of farmer suicides in the country because of failed crops, said massive industrialisation was not a complete solution to all economic issues.

DM wrote:

If India and Pakistan can end their family feud, they would together be in a much better position to fight off the external forces that wish to dominate the region by playing one country against the other.

You are espousing bilateral diplomacy, as opposed to internationalization here. Bilateralism worked fine in US-USSR relations during the 1980s and in US-China relations in 1990s because both parties were comparable in size & military power. They also didn`t have any historical grievances.

India and Pakistan relations do not fit that calculus.

Besides the asymmetry in size/military power, India also has historical grievances against Muslim rule dating four centuries back. From the Hindu politician`s perspective, the India-Pakistan conflict is an extension of the Shivaji-Aurangzeb conflict. Just like Shivaji never compromised with Aurangzeb, India will also never compromise with Pakistan. This is my prediction although I won`t mind being wrong on this one.

This family feud can never be solved bilaterally. It can only be solved through international mediation. Just like Indus Waters Treaty and Rann of Kutch.

Chowk Staff:

Why do you not get some article on the immigration reform in the US?

On this chowk it is imperative for the South Asians to discuss this important issue facing the Americans. Why are we not being included?

Let us get the toughest immigration bill passed in the US senate and let President Bush pass it into law. And that is what I promote.

Re: # 68 naaah! mantolives - me not a soothsayer. A naysayer for sure. never a soothsayer - that I leave to the likes of DMji and yourself. You two have far greater qualifications than a poor under-educated (but literate) human being like!

DM Sir,
Interesting article!
You Sir, are a very optimistic person. In my opinion there is no public support for any sentiment about Pakistan as a friendly country what-so-ever, in India.
w3.chowk.com Indian participants do not count as Indian representatives. As far as Indians are concerned, any discount towards Kashmir would mean giving one chunk of India away, and there would many more to follow.

These are not my views but what I hear on the streets of India. Pakistan wants Kashmir more than India wants to settle peace for, in the eqn.

At the present rate of progress between India/Pakistan, 20-30 yrs from now, Pakistan would be in a very difficult position to survive politically or economically. An alliance with China would not suffice to complement an alliance with Kafiristan Amreeka(in Salim`s words). Chinese cannot provide weapons and technology that American`s can, they themselves are looking for stealing them from others.

It is sad, but I do not foresee any hope for Indi/Paki peace process. Pakistan is an Islamic country, whose main and prime focus is Islam, and anything that derives from it. There is no room for peace with idol worshipping, virgin sacrificing Kaffirs of India or West.

If you recollect, Mushraff`s speech on CNN after 9-11 to do a U-Turn on Taliban summed up his strategy amply clear. He was quoting about H`Dya peace treaty between Jews and Hazrat Mohammad as a breather in between gathering further forces that would lead for eventual victory.

This is common sense. It is in Pakistan`s interest to make peace with who-ever they can in order to prevail over Kafirs down the road.

There is no other way it will be.

Reply to some posts here on Indians stealing jobs in USA:

Well, first of all, America is the ``new world`` and belongs only to Red Indians (who are now in reserves and mostly ignored).

So, Indians have an equal right to be there and make a living. If they get the jobs, it is because they are able to add value, provide support in proportion to their qualifications and skills.

Looks like some people are green with envy where Indians in USA are concerned.

Re: # 73
I think Pakistan dwells more on old family feud than Indians do.

Why do you think Pakistan named every missile after Islamic warriors?

In India, maybe some people look at it as old conflict, but it is Pakistan that is an Islamic country.

Dost-Mittar:
``Musharraf has presented numerous proposals on Kashmir without receiving any favourable response from the Indians. It is time for Indians to show a willingness to reveal their cards. ``
****D-M, you should have summarized those proposals so that their merits/demerits could be discussed, instead of just alleging them. Your action makes you an unwitting agent of the anti-Indian wing of the ISI of Pakistan.****

``India is right now in a position when it can afford to be magnanimous. ``

****What is your proposal in this regard? Without any specific formulation your statement is totally impotent.****

``India has to be acceptable as a leader in its own backyard. For that to happen, it needs to be perceived as a Big Brother and not as a Big Bully. ``

****Nothing illustrates more clearly than above that you have a wishy-washy ideas about the Kashmir and the much wider problem that festers between India and Pakistan. No one, except LeT and its likes, thinks India is a bully. The entire civilized world which includes some of the Islamic countries has agreed with President Bush`s characterization of India the Exception. That is, particularly so, in the context of the military power and actions related there to. I generally agree with pewresearch and Harish-Hyd in assessing your article.****

``There is however another avenue open to Pakistan and that is to make a paradigm shift in its approach towards India. It can turn India from being a source of permanent hostility to one of economic and political strength. To do so would not require any real sacrifice on its part, merely to accept the reality of status quo and Pakistan’s inability to change it by force or by diplomacy.``

****The first quintessential step for Pakistan is to honestly implement its declared policies about elimination of terrorism/sectarianism from its official organs of action. AND recognize openly the unjust/terroritic policies against all minorities which are currently an essential part of Pakistan polity. Without a joint electorate and externally supervised elections to at least state levels all talk by Musharraf is a smoke-screen for it all too well known nefarious ends.****

inbred retard: Let`s discuss immigration..