The Bubble Bursts

Oh poor baby... I know for as a Hindu fundamentalist (just like Muslim fundamentalists) you consider dog an unclean animal... but to me a dog is god`s creation and I have dogs as pets. If anything I consider the cartoon rather cute. But I see you are back to old and childish ways to defend Manservant Singh`s slavery to Bush. Vent boy. But Indians are Bush`s slaves... thats what they are. Nothing else.

As for ``beating on someone`` ... I see that a lot of Indians have had some sort of a fire up there chaddis because of the salt enema of truth that suddenly exploded when it was inserted in a most metaphorical (please note this word and check it in the dictionary) rear orifice.

However... it does not qualify as a beating ... I`d rather say a lot of Injun Bakras were bleated to heart`s content.

#356 by khalid Bibi Sadna

Yaar you always present perceptions as arguments. Now how do you think the Army=J-I when most Army officers sit in their mess and have whisky all night and have Mujra`as by the best girls from Hira Mandi? Do you know that when Musharraf was Corp Commander, Mangla, he was famous for dancing with a whisky glass balanced on his head? And he was the best `kanjri` master of them all with girls from Jhelum. Gimme a break.

The Pakistani Army is a hedonistic organism ... can`t say though I don`t enjoy a nice `mujra` from time to time ... :-)

#354 by Yasser

[Haha ... Harish Hyd the great code coolie having problems posting images.]

Good that you recovered from your nervous breakdown quickly. We need someone to beat up on, and who could be better than you? Welcome back to your miserable fate as the hunting dog. All that braggadocio in those posts to no avail when the world sees you as loyal a dog? Must be traumatic no Yasser?

[I congratulate you for achieving these standards... You are almost a match for that rsridhar...]

BTW, you didn`t respond to that cartoon that depicted Pakistan as a dog. Jinnah`s beloved Pakistan being equated with a miserable hunting dog. Not surprising consdiering the fact that he was eagerly seeking that role in that interview with Margaret Bourke White. A nation without any identity is only good for doing others` dirty work.

Look Yasser, I`ll give you a biscuit if you come up with an answer for this question: If Indians acted as Bush`s servants and Pakis were the brave ones who asked the US to ``go to hell`` when it objected to the IPI pipeline, why was poor little Pakistan depicted as the dog?

#353 by harish_hyd

Yes and that female relative happened to be a Jamaat-e-Islami ex worker ... but the fact remains that if KSM had been under army protection, he wouldn`t have been captured ... period.

But, in any case, regardless of what you think or is made out to believe, KSM wasn`t that big nor did he plan or execute 9/11. He was just a small fry Jehadi. Nor was he entirely Arab. He was half-Pakistani half-Kuwaiti. And ... there`s no such thing as Al-Qaida ... never was except as a small NGO in Peshawar recruiting for Bush. The entire shebang is manufactured.

[where did you get the idea that KSM was smoked out from an Army officer`s house.. ?Far as I aknow it was from the house of some distant relative of some Jamaat-e-Islami worker in Pindi]

Army or J-e-I what`s the difference between the two? Both are the same bunch of retard terrorists.

Guru mian... 18 years of age universally is the age of maturity. Thats all I can say at this point. So please keep going in circles. But nanga fakir is in a class of his own.

Haha ... Harish Hyd the great code coolie having problems posting images. Yaar Harish you are a remarkable low life. I congratulate you for achieving these standards... You are almost a match for that rsridhar...

Rsridhar...

I pity you yaar. You`ve been abusing me ... I think as a true Gandhian you must be really proud. Infact this is the only thing Gandhi knew... Like him you are a most disgusting fellow. About your 20 + posts... this is all I`ve got to say.



Soyasauce...

Like I pointed out... it is immaterial whether Gandhi was completely naked or partially naked... but the evidence is there in a book whose name I have given you. Please confirm if you have checked it in that book... I don`t have the book (Freedom at Midnight) on me to quote the exact page number... but it is quite clearly written both about sleeping naked and about defaecating in the same room.

The rest is up to you.

#352 by zeemax


[Yaar where did you get the idea that KSM was smoked out from an Army officer`s house.. ?Far as I aknow it was from the house of some distant relative of some Jamaat-e-Islami worker in Pindi.]

I remember reading that he was arrested from Rawalpindi cantonment from an Army officer`s house that was rented to a female relative of his. My mistake!

[Having said that I agree that Bin Laden/Zawahiri both are most likely under protection somewhere in Pakistan`s urban mass. If indeed that is true, it will have nothing to do with Musharraf because he would hand them over in a jiffy to save his own ass which is now increasingly on fire.]

I agree. But if that indeed is true, Mushy will have no one but himself to blame. He`s played the cat and mouse game so often that his juniors are perhaps now doing the same with him.

#351 by harish_hyd

Yaar where did you get the idea that KSM was smoked out from an Army officer`s house.. ?Far as I aknow it was from the house of some distant relative of some Jamaat-e-Islami worker in Pindi.

Having said that I agree that Bin Laden/Zawahiri both are most likely under protection somewhere in Pakistan`s urban mass. If indeed that is true, it will have nothing to do with Musharraf because he would hand them over in a jiffy to save his own ass which is now increasingly on fire. Another plane crash? Who knows ...

#350 by zeemax

[What a stale joke ... is that why you were learning how to post pics?]

Bhai Zee, if it really were stale, you wouldn`t find Yasser brag the way he did, no?

[My friend ... so where`s Bin Laden? Why can`t he still be found?]

Rawalpindi, Faisalabad, Gujranwala, Karachi..who knows? KSM was after all smoked out from an Army officer`s house..so just wait and watch.

#349 by harish_hyd

What a stale joke ... is that why you were learning how to post pics?

My friend ... so where`s Bin Laden? Why can`t he still be found?

#185 by Mantolives on March 22, 2006 4:35am PT

[Unlike Manservant Singh... General Musharraf did not pause.]

#182 by Mantolives

[Meanwhile Bush`s manServant Singh goes to receive him on the airport and asks for his permission ``Shall I start sir`` for his speech?]

#180 by Mantolives

[But Bush is the master of India... no wonder your prime minister goes to the airport like an obedient servant.]

#177 by Mantolives

[Just because you don`t understand something, doesn`t mean it has come directly from the mouth of your master Mian Bush.]

A picture is worth a thousand words.

#311 by sadna ... IMO, it is better not to go into the `why` with people of a different belief system ..

At-least meself has the SAME belief system as yours .. I`m just trying to examine why Muhammad had such an enduring personal loyalty and influence.

#340 by Ramanujan ... You have asked this question for the umpteenth time on this website ...

Eaxactly. And I still do not have an answer.

Let`s see how far we`ve got:

1) Powerful personality cult sustained by visions of hellfire and promise of houris.
2) Spoils of looting, plunder, rape and killing.
3) After critical mass, the moronic logic that there MUST be something true about it.
4) Incentives for men, especially men with low self-esteem.

I`ll add to the above the most commonly held view that Islam was spread through conquests, and conversion of Dhimmis to avoid Jizya tax for economic reasons.

1&2 of the above plus my addition may be true in its spread through the Arabian peninsula, Mesopotamia and Persia, but it doesn`t explain its spread in India ... or most importantly in the far-eastern regions of what is now Indonesia/Malaysia, where no Muslim invader ever set foot. Indonesia/Malaysia was mostly Hindu before Islam. The Bali region is still Hindu.

Fact is that most of India and the entire Muslim far-eastern region was converted by Sufi Saints travelling through its length and breadth, without any compulsion, whether military or economic. The Sufi mysticism abhors not only violance but does not care much about hell or heaven either. Their only faith is the ultimate monotheism of `total submission` and `oneness with God` bordering on the heretic, of the type inspired by Husain Mansour Al Hallaj.

So, did nos 3&4 apply in this case? Hardly. What did Hindus in far-off Borneo care or indeed know about about how many Muslims there were in Arabia, Mesopotamia or Persia. The lowest self esteemed people in India were the Harijans who, as is common knowledge, had converted to Christianity through Missionaries rather than to Islam.

So, since you guys haven`t been much help, I have to formulate my own thesis:

Muhammad was an extraordinary person. Through his travels as a merchant he was introduced to the Abrahamic monotheism of Christians and Jews, as well as the Duality of Zartusht. That is what he contemplated upon sitting in a cave (thus far uninvited by anyone including Gabriel). When he did arrive at a synthesis, he declared prophethood. At the same time he acquired an uncanny personal charisma so strong that it survives till date. His `message` was a perfect weave of pacifism of Zartusht with an implicit recognition of their `other force`; the monotheism as well as the inherent survival through violance of Torah; and the expansionist evangelism of Jesuit Christianity. Take your pick ... and people did. That`s why he didn`t leave a successor. As for divinity? That incredible personal charisma couldn`t have been anything else.

Rgds

#346 by Ramanujan

Thanks Ajeya.

#344 by harish_hyd

[How do I insert an image in a post? I`ve got something important to show Yasser.]

1) Go to the website where the image is.

2) Right-click on the image.

3) From the list, left-click on properties.

4) This will give you a pop-up window with the 3rd line that says:

Address : http//www.etc.etc.
(URL)

5) Not all of the address might be visible, if it is long. Don`t worry. Click on the left of the address and drag the cursor (while holding down the left click button) all the way to the right to highlight the URL. If some of the URL is not visible, keep dragging the cursor to the right.and beyond - this will cause your selection to scroll to the right and highlight the full address.

6) Once the whole URL is highlighted, right-click on the highlighted URL and choose ``Copy``.

7) Now in the Chowk textbox, type the following:

<*img src= />

(Ignore the ``*``. I put it there so that the browser does not think I am posting an image.)

8) Place your cursor after the ``src=`` by left-clicking after the ``=`` sign, and then press Ctrl-V.

9) This will give you the following:

<*img src=http://www...etc.etc. />

(Ignore the ``*`` here too. I put it there so that the browser does not think I am posting an image.)

10) Post the message.

Re: #343 by khalid_ahmed

Thanks khalid.

I`ll try to post it on other fora as well.

Not that it will change any Muslim minds. Unfortunately most Muslims work with a set of givens, and find it hard to question anything related to Islam. It is not in the Islamic cultural upbringing.