Images and Symbols -- Deconstructing the Iraq War

further to #159 and while I might joke with masadi, he is a better man than the hordes of empty headed indians like you who come to chowk smoldering with hatred, obsessed with pakistan and other people`s religions. if you indians had any self-respect, you would go to your own boards and chatter among one another.

#156 even a pakistani retard is better than filth like you.

Re: # 153

Asadi...............instead of trying to spread propaganda on the net why do you not work like an actual reseacher and publish your thesis in the mainstream political, economic or social journals..............let your thesis be debated by the critics academically first before you try to sell it to the gullible Ummah as dogmas................

Re: # 142
``My prediction is that the last battle in this war would still be fought in Pakistan and maybe to a certain extent in India too. ``

Let me visualize the last battle for you...................Jehadis in Pakistan would assasinate Mush and then install some General with Jehadi inclinations...........they would then try something bolder than what Mush has so far tried..................they would probably arm their nukes and then actually mount a frontal attack on India..................the Jehadi General would talk about obliterating India from the map of the world and educated Pakistanis like would write articles on how TNT preempted such an action...............that is when America would march in from the Afghanistan borders and Paksitan would be engulfed into a flame of complete jehadi fervour.................... Paki army would be decimated by Indian forces..........the demented General would launch a suicidal nuke attack in order to fulfill his prophecy about obliterating India. India would mount a counter attack......families of YLH, HP and the rest of Chowkis would be evaporated in that nuclear exchange ..........India would probably survive.........but Pakistan would not live to see another day..............All thanks these educated Pakistanis who CANNOT see the future clearly and do something about it........

Let us assume for a moment that the videos of the planes hitting WTC were never accidently shot. Can you imagine the muslim theories of conspiracy in that case? They are serious retards.

Masadi: I got it!! You are fake!!

Nobody can be as stupid as you pretend to be!! You are just faking it so people think you are stupid when in fact you are a PhD student doing serious research on chowk!! You clever man, you!!

Re: # 72 Pardesi {``Theoritically it could be...American Indians...``}

Absolutely it could be... By no means was my suspect list exhaustive. I left out the ISI and RAW, plus the Cuban`s and several others. But I like to belive the latest speculation of the author... namely, ``Bait and Wait``... It has instant appeal. A potential New York Times Best Seller plot. Does not hold the boogymen blameless, yet implicates others. Neat.

The only point on which I`d differ from HP is that in the end they actually did find out but chose to keep hands off, a la Pearl Harbor. Imagine what a novel it could make, giving Dan Brown the run for his money.

“We have confirmation…” said Luke, as he puckered his lips and nodded at Stan who looked up from his desk as Luke slipped into the room, unannounced as usual. “They are going to go for it on the eleventh of this month.” Stan’s expression froze as he met Luke’s eye and saw that he was dead serious.

“You mean next Tuesday?” Stan asked in a hushed whisper, tilting his head to see if Luke had closed the door behind him.

“That’s right, September 11th” he paused a second, “a day that will live in infamy,” Luke replied.

“We need to go tell the old man right away,” Stan said, standing up as he took a deep breath.

“He already knows,” Luke responded. “The Israelis found out first and alerted us. The Mossad chief called himself. You should have seen the old man’s face. I was in his office at the time. Our own source confirmed two hours later.”

“Is Mohammad Atta leading the group in person?” Stand was curious as he felt left out of the loop.

“Yes, he is, as best we can tell,” Luke said dryly. “We have his passport ready to plant on the scene.”

“You mean we’re not going to intercept?” Stan’s eyes widened as he asked the question in disbelief. “But… did`nt the old man say…?”

“Yes, Stan. I felt the same way. But we are to keep off limits, strict orders from above, the old man says.”

“You can’t be serious?” Stan protested.

“Yes I am very serious,” Luke sounded somber. “But still, I`ll have our teams on the standby at JFK, Dulles, Logan and Newark, in case the okay comes in at the last minute. We thinks the A team is headed for Logan, but we also know they have redundancy plans elsewhere.”

... Gee... this sounds good. I`ll go call my publishers for an advance.

...SR

The Political Economy of War

THE WARLORDS OF WASHINGTON

Re: # 70 dullabhatti {``...those pictures have been around...``}

That well may have been the case, but I never saw any photographic hint of the existence of an aircraft in the Pentagon context before. That is all I was asking for... nothing further was implied. Whether the evidence is reliable or not is a debate I don`t care to get into because the end result remains unchanged. Its not a question of ``accepting`` anything ``without giving a fight``...

...SR

#149 by masadi on March 22, 2006 2:23pm PT


that not only were they facilitators on the sidelines


It was gandhi..that SOB orchestrated the whole thing..we already know he`s a niece-boinking racist who shot kennedy from the grassy knoll..

you and manto should meet..

tahmed writes <<< HP #135 A government does not seek to protect against violence within its borders because it is a saint. It does so because it would not survive the next elections if it is seen to be ineffective against violence. >>>

Tweedle dumb would leave and Tweedle dee would come in with an almost similar foreign policy. Elite consensus was shifting towards war in Iraq, Al Gore would have done much the same. The elite have monopolized power in the US, a two party state is just one short of a one party state like the soviet union, the social profile of these elite that roam both parties and when they are not roaming the parties they roam as heads of corporations and policy boards and think tans, is much the same.

HP writes <<< My prediction is that the last battle in this war would still be fought in Pakistan and maybe to a certain extent in India too. I am not sure what the US role would be or the US may lose interest due to other pressing issues that will distract the US. >>>

As usual the US elite will leave the mess it created after benefiting from it, regardless of the harm it causes the third world. The US is not interested in any real fight with the Jihadi, they know there is no real match, it just wants to use it and the symbolism that goes with it to rape the rest of the world, and its own citizens.

HP writes: <<< I don’t think there was any active US involvement. That would be too hard to hide given the nature of Americans and a healthy tradition of whistle blowing (you can argue otherwise). >>>

The involvement was there either as directors or facilitators, anything else would be going by the official narration of events which has too many holes in the story. Like you mention as well, they knew of it, you say part of it, I say the whole damn thing, since they came up with the names of ALL without any eye witnesses to the events and before any complete circumstantial evidence was collected, they jumped the gun. As far as whistle blowing is concerned, it happens usually much after the fact, these elite control the means of mass communication, and ``whistle blowers`` have never prevented anything of consequence in the US. Further the one or two whistle blowers that are given widespread coverage are merely for symbolic value. What consequence did the whistle blowing of Coleen Rowley have, regarding either preventing 9/11 or punishing those that deliberately hushed the investigation?

Further if these weekend pilots fresh off pilot training could pull off such manuvers, and NORAD couldn`t stop them but some ``passengers`` on the pa flight did, and the weapon of choice was the box cutter, tells me that holes and gaps in the official version are big enough to suggest that not only were they facilitators on the sidelines (knew but did nothing to stop it), they might even had a hand in the entire plan and execution. Whatever the reason and the details, the motive would convict them in a court of law, post Iraq war and the rest of the bs that they did in the name of 9/11

HP

I agree with your thesis, however, I think that a scenario of freedom struggle with in Iraq was never in their plans neither did they contemplate it since they so meticulously used UN to disarm Iraq before they stepped in. On the flip side I don`t think that the scenario that is today in Iraq was in Jihadi plans either and neither did they ever contemplated. This has come as a manna from heaven for them both from political and military point of view. I do not think that US is left with any respectable option now. The pull out from Iraq means a total collapse of their middle east strategy. I don`t think that situation in Iraq will improve even when next president comes into the office.

#146 by Kulharee on March 22, 2006 1:48pm PT


I just saved a bunch of money by switching to Giaco.


the bad news is that the geico mofos will drop you if you call their emergency roadside assistance number more than 2 times a year..

Re: # 145

Arjun..

I totally agree. There is no big conspiracy whatsoever. Bush and his jokers (Rumzy, Cheeney, Condi, Wolfowitz, the Karl Rove) lied thru their teeth to go to war. One can say that that was an intelligence (lack of intelligence) failure. CIA cant be blamed for that. However, the good news is that I just saved a bunch of money by switching to Giaco.

#144 by Kulharee on March 22, 2006 12:57pm PT


Arjun... It’s quite a stretch of the imagination to think that not a single one in the intelligence will come out and write a book about that, or blow a whistle at least.


Yup...the feds are so incompetent they couldn`t keep a secret..Robert Hansen got information on the counter-intel investigation on him by running a simple search for his own name in the bureau`s own information system...