Jawahara Saidullah April 3, 2006
#133 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 4, 2006 2:16:13 pm
#129, seemakurup {``why do men fear the woman`s body - her very sexuality - so much? why have they been obsessed with and engaged in an ageless quest to hold control over her...? ``}
Seema,
I think that your questions are generalizing a struggle that doesn`t really exist. There is no back/white male/female struggle in the real world. Men, women, and children are united along clusters of family units, clans, tribes, and nations. The mythical combat that you are alluding to is a recent one invented by those with insidious agendas. Men control women`s bodies about as much as women control men`s bodies by telling them how to walk, how to talk, how to eat, how to pray, how to study, how to behave, how to play, how to work, and how to perform their bodily functions. Just because women and men tend to become mothers and fathers, they take on the matriarchal and patriarchal roles that you are obviously questioning. As I have said before, a long long time ago, men were burdened with the responsibility to provide for their families - including both sons and daughters and sometimes even grandchildren. If the daughter became pregnant and there was no man responsible for taking care of HIS child, then the obligation would fall on the maternal grandfather. In order to limit his own financial exposure, the ``old`` man saw fit to control the behavior of his daughter`s body. Now, with male and female equality in employment, this behavior is changing - I think for the better.
Seema,
I think that your questions are generalizing a struggle that doesn`t really exist. There is no back/white male/female struggle in the real world. Men, women, and children are united along clusters of family units, clans, tribes, and nations. The mythical combat that you are alluding to is a recent one invented by those with insidious agendas. Men control women`s bodies about as much as women control men`s bodies by telling them how to walk, how to talk, how to eat, how to pray, how to study, how to behave, how to play, how to work, and how to perform their bodily functions. Just because women and men tend to become mothers and fathers, they take on the matriarchal and patriarchal roles that you are obviously questioning. As I have said before, a long long time ago, men were burdened with the responsibility to provide for their families - including both sons and daughters and sometimes even grandchildren. If the daughter became pregnant and there was no man responsible for taking care of HIS child, then the obligation would fall on the maternal grandfather. In order to limit his own financial exposure, the ``old`` man saw fit to control the behavior of his daughter`s body. Now, with male and female equality in employment, this behavior is changing - I think for the better.
#132 Posted by stuka on April 4, 2006 2:06:32 pm
``Women’s Day is celebrated all over the world. Women’s rights are discussed. Mother’s rights and love are celebrated on “Mother’s day”. Seminars are held to discuss topics like Cruel men-victim women. Voices are raised in support of innocent and victimized women. Every society looks down, with hatred, upon cruel, uncouth men. However, the day of Responsibilities of Women is never celebrated. There is a pressing need to underscore the attitudes and weaknesses of women who have gone astray. Reminding such women of their duties would be a great favor to countless families. Their should be some training for ungrateful, impatient, and stubborn women who turn their homes into hells, as well as training for their men. Their should be programs, institutions, seminars, stage-shows, speeches to highlight the importance of duties and responsibilities of mothers. ``
Very good point. I agree with this 100% and think Urstruly was unfairlly maligned for this. After all, what is wrong with a wman underscoring responsibilities to other women? I see no relation to FGM (which is abhorrent) to the specifics of this paragraph.
HamidM:
Your logic reminds me of college girls in Delhi...for them some one who says ``Bhenchod`` is crude and disgusting but someone who says ``Motherfucker `` is uber cool. wtf???
#131 Posted by swarrier on April 4, 2006 2:02:49 pm
Re: # 129
Seema
I hear that
Tree of Origin: What primate behaviour can tell us about human social evolution by Frans B. M. de Waal
is a good book.
Seema
I hear that
Tree of Origin: What primate behaviour can tell us about human social evolution by Frans B. M. de Waal
is a good book.
#130 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 4, 2006 1:58:56 pm
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#129 Posted by seemakurup on April 4, 2006 1:50:47 pm
dear jawahara
your article has left me speechless.
since my understanding of issues related to religion and culture is very rudimentary, i fail to understand quite a few interacts that have been posted so far. what is the interaction all about? i think i need to be a more discerning reader on chowk to understand the tone and undertones of the dialogue that goes on here. in the name of a response to a well-researched article on female genital mutilation, we have a word-war going on ...
it reminds me of the righteous look on the face of the soon-to-be-sacked employee in the naukri.com ad who spells out his boss` name as ``H for Hitler, A for...``
suddenly there is a huge debate going over the ``diagram`` of a female genitalia! also about the intent behind the posting. apart from finding it in ``bad taste``, we also have people who want it be removed, hidden and what not. well, to think of all the discussions and ego-fights that this part of human anatomy provoked ...!!
from the few interesting interacts i recall one about your style of writing. and it is true that the article begins as a truly engaging stroy... it continues to engage but no longer remains the story said by the little girl. style and story telling techniques apart, i think it is brilliantly written.
these are the questions that come back to me jawahara - why do men fear the woman`s body - her very sexuality - so much? why have they been obsessed with and engaged in an ageless quest to hold control over her...?
your article has left me speechless.
since my understanding of issues related to religion and culture is very rudimentary, i fail to understand quite a few interacts that have been posted so far. what is the interaction all about? i think i need to be a more discerning reader on chowk to understand the tone and undertones of the dialogue that goes on here. in the name of a response to a well-researched article on female genital mutilation, we have a word-war going on ...
it reminds me of the righteous look on the face of the soon-to-be-sacked employee in the naukri.com ad who spells out his boss` name as ``H for Hitler, A for...``
suddenly there is a huge debate going over the ``diagram`` of a female genitalia! also about the intent behind the posting. apart from finding it in ``bad taste``, we also have people who want it be removed, hidden and what not. well, to think of all the discussions and ego-fights that this part of human anatomy provoked ...!!
from the few interesting interacts i recall one about your style of writing. and it is true that the article begins as a truly engaging stroy... it continues to engage but no longer remains the story said by the little girl. style and story telling techniques apart, i think it is brilliantly written.
these are the questions that come back to me jawahara - why do men fear the woman`s body - her very sexuality - so much? why have they been obsessed with and engaged in an ageless quest to hold control over her...?
#128 Posted by scout on April 4, 2006 1:47:22 pm
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#127 Posted by scout on April 4, 2006 1:45:32 pm
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#126 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 4, 2006 1:37:49 pm
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#125 Posted by scout on April 4, 2006 1:35:13 pm
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I won`t stoop to your level and bring your family into your petty fights.
I think chowk staff did a good job showing you who`s boss.
I won`t stoop to your level and bring your family into your petty fights.
I think chowk staff did a good job showing you who`s boss.
#124 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 4, 2006 1:23:35 pm
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#123 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 4, 2006 1:22:37 pm
#122, Most of the garbage consists of your unrelated posts and my thoughtful rebuttals against the irrelevant material posted by you. :)
#122 Posted by scout on April 4, 2006 1:19:31 pm
Chowk staff,
thank you for deleting the garbage, hopefully people can now move on instead of being dragged into bylines by the usual suspect
thank you for deleting the garbage, hopefully people can now move on instead of being dragged into bylines by the usual suspect
#121 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 4, 2006 1:15:46 pm
#119, Tahmed Sahib,
That`s why we have you here - to provide boulders of wisdom instead of mere nuggets among the droppings. :)
That`s why we have you here - to provide boulders of wisdom instead of mere nuggets among the droppings. :)
#120 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on April 4, 2006 1:13:54 pm
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#119 Posted by tahmed32 on April 4, 2006 1:12:30 pm
#117 Future scientists will no doubt review chowk posts the way today`s scientists review ancient dinosaur droppings. Hoping to find some nugget of wisdom while holding their noses against the smell (which would still be going strong after a million years).
#118 Posted by tahmed32 on April 4, 2006 1:10:23 pm
Why cant we have nice articles on Chowk? Like the proper way to burp after a meal as compliment to the chef. Why this crap about body parts?
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