Farzana Versey March 22, 2006
#359 Posted by arstoo on March 25, 2006 3:42:53 pm
Ref#332 and #334
Dear Salim
Allah kare ho zor-e-kalam, aur bhi ziada
I like your style. As Zauk said
Zaban kholen gay mujh pe bad-zuban kaise bad-shiari se
Ke maine khaq bhar de un ke muhn mein khaq-saari se
Good on you mate.
Dear Salim
Allah kare ho zor-e-kalam, aur bhi ziada
I like your style. As Zauk said
Zaban kholen gay mujh pe bad-zuban kaise bad-shiari se
Ke maine khaq bhar de un ke muhn mein khaq-saari se
Good on you mate.
#358 Posted by arstoo on March 25, 2006 3:28:43 pm
[#317 by FarzanaVersey on March 25, 2006 5:57am PT
There is no point in posting a slew of one-liners and name-calling. An interactor can say what s/he wants in a few replies. Please try and maintain civility in the discussions.
Thanks
]
Dear Farzana,
You have lost the moral right to request civility. It is like mohammad practising ahinsa. You go on the path of yellow journalism and then you expect goodness of human soul should ooze out.
You indulge in controversy that cannot hide the islamic victimhood of your subconcious. You have never critisize with the same vigour the islamic terrorism that engulfs your mother land. You always come out with convoluted double speak and prove your islamic point of view.
Please don`t yell so loud because
Sirhanay Mir ke ahista bolo
Abhi tuk rotay rotay so gaya hai
There is no point in posting a slew of one-liners and name-calling. An interactor can say what s/he wants in a few replies. Please try and maintain civility in the discussions.
Thanks
]
Dear Farzana,
You have lost the moral right to request civility. It is like mohammad practising ahinsa. You go on the path of yellow journalism and then you expect goodness of human soul should ooze out.
You indulge in controversy that cannot hide the islamic victimhood of your subconcious. You have never critisize with the same vigour the islamic terrorism that engulfs your mother land. You always come out with convoluted double speak and prove your islamic point of view.
Please don`t yell so loud because
Sirhanay Mir ke ahista bolo
Abhi tuk rotay rotay so gaya hai
#357 Posted by bjkumar on March 25, 2006 1:53:48 pm
#352 by tahmed32
[bjkumar: how about ``educated`` indians like you??]
Thank you Tauheed saheb for putting the quote marks around ``educated`` - I would not wish to be categorized with the erudite lot that hangs around these premises.
You know the lot I am talking about!
The lot that constantly dazzles the whole world with its depth of grasp of complicated subjects, its open outlook on issues such as women`s rape and its tolerance for OTHER religions - as long as they live SOMEWHERE ELSE!
Its great ability to actually see some faults in the land of the pure and the very human shortcomings of its masterminds who brought this ``baby`` to fruition!
It lives!
It really lives!
However, I do have some bad news for you sir.
Inspite of the categories that you wish to exile me to - a LOT of Indians (and I mean those in India - not the USA) think very similar to me and are therefore perhaps uneducated.
You can dismiss all of that with that ``Hindu animosity`` label if you wish - but that`s the way it is!
I wholeheartedly agree with one thing, though.
There is no bigot like an educated bigot!
Therefore, thanks again for those quotation marks - my sole protection!
(PS: I just returned from travel and am unfamiliar with the person you asked me about. Let me read through his interacts before I pronounce a verdict.)
#356 Posted by bjkumar on March 25, 2006 1:35:47 pm
Hamidm2,
From #355
[Hamidm2: [``sometimes i feel like a fly ! ...`` ]
HP: You said it master....]
I always knew it! You ARE a fly master! I hope it does not include the one in the soup.
Go ahead - slurp it away! Slurp it ALL away! All the way!
#355 Posted by HP on March 25, 2006 12:17:31 pm
#353 by hamidm2
``sometimes i feel like a fly ! ...... it stinks, but it is a lot of fun buzzing around .....``
You said it master.... I will take the break for the day...it is nice out here...
``sometimes i feel like a fly ! ...... it stinks, but it is a lot of fun buzzing around .....``
You said it master.... I will take the break for the day...it is nice out here...
#354 Posted by tahmed32 on March 25, 2006 12:04:28 pm
HP: a wise US judge once said that it is better to end an issue, even if it is ended unjustly. 50 years is more 49 years too much for what is essentially a territorial dispute. And btw, i think the palestinians and the arabs are not mere innocent victims either. in 1917, there were already over 60,000 jewish people in what is now israel - and they had come in under the ottoman empire, bought land from palestinians within the laws of the then muslim-ruled areas.
#353 Posted by hamidm2 on March 25, 2006 12:01:18 pm
Re: # 350
hp,
..... this is one of the most sensible posts i have read on chowk in a long time ...... you should quit while you are still ahead, because ahead lie the dung piles being laid by the likes of khalid ahmed .......... sometimes i feel like a fly ! ...... it stinks, but it is a lot of fun buzzing around .....
hp,
..... this is one of the most sensible posts i have read on chowk in a long time ...... you should quit while you are still ahead, because ahead lie the dung piles being laid by the likes of khalid ahmed .......... sometimes i feel like a fly ! ...... it stinks, but it is a lot of fun buzzing around .....
#352 Posted by tahmed32 on March 25, 2006 11:59:16 am
bjkumar: how about ``educated`` indians like you?? do you or do you not think sri shettysaranapavatratnam is an indian man who has gone insane with his hatreds and obsessions about pakistanis, and now identifies himself with a pakistani name (``khalid ahmad``)?
#351 Posted by mohar11 on March 25, 2006 11:57:35 am
Re: # 339
Let me guess.... Khalid is actually Behram.... If you have noticed - Behram has disappeared as soon Khalid Mian appeared here....:)))
Let me guess.... Khalid is actually Behram.... If you have noticed - Behram has disappeared as soon Khalid Mian appeared here....:)))
#350 Posted by HP on March 25, 2006 11:51:22 am
#348 by tvarad
“If a state like Pakistan could be created, there is no reason why Israel shouldn`t have been too however illogical it was. At least in the case of the latter there was persecution of Jews whereas no such thing existed with the Muslims of pre-partition India.’
You are comparing apples to oranges.
Pakistan’s creation was not based on “some crimes” committed elsewhere. It was a political struggle within India. The Provinces that are part of Pakistan now dominated the struggle. There was going to be no Pakistan if Punjab, Sindh, Bengal, and NWFP had not supported it. Despite communal hatred between the Hindus and Muslims in the Central Provinces, Pakistan was not a viable option in central India.
No one community had claim over India and the people who separated from India also were Indians and have lived in the same areas for centuries. Their religious identity made it look like a religious demand but it was not entirely a religious issue.
If you claim ownership of India because you are Hindu then you are denying rights to other Indians who may have chosen to change religions for various reasons. Hindus probably were the owners of India in year 1040, but that reality had changed in the ensuing thousand years. Hindus were not the sole owners of India in 1947.
The fear of Hindu majority was a concern for people who lived in the Hindu Majority areas. But they would not have gotten Pakistan in Sindh or Punjab, if the people living in Sindh and Punjab had not supported a separation from India.
So the issue was never persecution but demand of a separate homeland by the people of some provinces in India who had a legitimate rights on their lands Such as Sindh, Punjab, NWFP and Bengal and they were not a minority in those areas.
It is unfortunate that the political demands were buried in religion/communalism but that was the politics of that time. There were solutions but they were not applied because Indians were not the masters of their land and they had to rely on a complex political process to gain independence from colonial masters.
So yes together we can regret the partition of India or even regret that we could not find solutions to some political demands of the provinces that are in Pakistan now.
That is entirely different than what happened in Palestine.
#349 Posted by bjkumar on March 25, 2006 11:14:52 am
#Article
The unfortunate reality is that in spite of the stark reality of the events of holocaust, we still have the likes of the Iranian leadership questioning the holocaust.
The TERRIBLE reality on this web-site is that many so-called ``educated`` elite of Pakistan do not have the guts to call that bluff. Instead, we see writers like the current one see an opportunity to make wholesale ``fun`` of the Jewish community. And then the two-syllable cohorts - who carry an equivalent weight - appear like overweight dipsomaniacal knights to defend the Palestinians - who are not even the topic of this article!
Just read the following line one more time!
[There is a lesson in this for the Muslims to acquire the two ‘P’s: public relations and a good dose of persecution.]
So that`s what it was all about - all of that shame for all of the mankind for all of time - THAT holocaust - just a lack of public relations and a dose of persecution!
It boggles the mind!
Sixty years in not nearly enough! A millennium is not nearly enough! Two millenniums are not nearly enough!
That`s why the Jewish state was needed where it had been two millenniums ago and right where it is now! People are sometimes forced to return to their origins - but not by choice!
It is not as if they are given a choice in such matters. These folks have tried every little technique of assimilation known to mankind all over the world and when all else failed, they had no alternative. And then the Arabs gang up on them for the crime of belonging to a different religion - and don`t kid anybody with the claim that any of these countries REALLY care about the Palestinians - how many have tried to absorb and integrate them as their own.
It is disgusting to suggest - even in a flippant way - that the Jewish people have used their persecution as a ``trump`` card! Would the writer have been equally calm about this whole tragedy had the victims been Muslims? Is she so sure herself?
If ``rising above it`` is indeed the ``most important`` of it all - as she hints (in passing) - why not give that advice to the intended target directly? Why use the Jewish people as an excuse?
#348 Posted by tvarad on March 25, 2006 11:04:58 am
HP (#347),
If a state like Pakistan could be created, there is no reason why Israel shouldn`t have been too however illogical it was. At least in the case of the latter there was persecution of Jews whereas no such thing existed with the Muslims of pre-partition India.
If the Arabs/Muslims had devoted their energies to social and economic upliftment for the last 60 or so years instead of hanging all their problems on the relatively tiny sliver of land that is Israel, the horrors of the Middle East could have been avoided. Especially given the enormous sums of oil money that was/is available.
The common refrain of all Arab despots to their citizenry is ``the reason why your lives are miserable is because Israel is occupying Arab land``.
There can be nothing more illogical than that.
If a state like Pakistan could be created, there is no reason why Israel shouldn`t have been too however illogical it was. At least in the case of the latter there was persecution of Jews whereas no such thing existed with the Muslims of pre-partition India.
If the Arabs/Muslims had devoted their energies to social and economic upliftment for the last 60 or so years instead of hanging all their problems on the relatively tiny sliver of land that is Israel, the horrors of the Middle East could have been avoided. Especially given the enormous sums of oil money that was/is available.
The common refrain of all Arab despots to their citizenry is ``the reason why your lives are miserable is because Israel is occupying Arab land``.
There can be nothing more illogical than that.
#347 Posted by HP on March 25, 2006 10:33:46 am
So the Jewsih state was needed in Palestine for crimes in Europe...Some inverted logic.
Here some facts about palestine and the Jewish State:
What was the impact of World War II on the Palestine question?
As World War II approached, Britain shrewdly calculated that they could afford to alienate Jews -- who weren`t going to switch to Hitler`s side -- but not Arabs, so they greatly restricted Jewish immigration into Palestine. But, of course, this was precisely when the need for sanctuary for Europe`s Jews was at its height. Many Jews smuggled their way into Palestine as the United States and other nations kept their borders closed to frantic refugees.
At the end of the war, as the enormity of the Holocaust became evident, for the first time Zionism became a majority sentiment among world Jewry. Many U.S. Christians also supported Zionism as a way to absolve their guilt for what had happened, without having to allow Jews into the United States. U.S. Zionists, who during the war had subordinated rescue efforts to their goal of establishing a Jewish state,3 argued that the Holocaust proved more than ever the need for a Jewish state: Had Israel existed in 1939, millions of Jews might have been saved. Actually, Palestine just narrowly avoided being overrun by the Nazis, so Jews would have been far safer in the United States than in a Jewish Palestine.
During the war many Jews in Palestine had joined the British army. By war`s end, the Jewish community in Palestine was well armed, well-organized, and determined to fight. The Palestinians were poorly armed, with feudal leaders. The Mufti of Jerusalem had been exiled by the British for supporting an Arab revolt in 1936-39 and had made his way to Berlin during the war where he aided Nazi propaganda. From the Zionist point of view, it was considered a plus to have the extremist Mufti as the Palestinians` leader; as David Ben Gurion, the leader of the Jewish community in Palestine and Israel`s first prime minister, advised in 1938, ``rely on the Mufti.``4
Didn`t Palestinians have a chance for a state of their own in 1947, but they rejected it by going to war with Israel?
In 1947 Jews were only one third of the population of Palestine and owned only 6% of the land. Yet the partition plan granted the Jewish state 55% of the total land area. The Arab state was to have an overwhelmingly Arab population, while the Jewish state would have almost as many Arabs as Jews. If it was unjust to force Jews to be a 1/3 minority in an Arab state, it was no more just to force Arabs to be an almost 50% minority in a Jewish state.
The Palestinians rejected partition. The Zionists accepted it, but in private Zionist leaders had more expansive goals. In 1938, during earlier partition proposals, Ben Gurion stated, ``when we become a strong power after the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and spread throughout all of Palestine.``5
The Mufti called Palestinians to war against partition, but in fact very few Palestinians responded. The ``decisive majority`` of Palestinians, confided Ben Gurion, ``do not want to fight us.`` The majority ``accept the partition as a fait accompli,`` reported a Zionist Arab affairs expert. The 1936-39 Arab revolt against the British had mass popular support, but the 1947-48 fighting between the Mufti`s followers and the Zionist military forces had no such popular backing.6
Didn`t Israel achieve larger borders in 1948 as a result of a defensive war of independence?
Arab armies crossed the border on May 15, 1948, after Israel declared its independence. But this declaration came three and a half months before the date specified in the partition resolution. The U.S. had proposed a three month truce on the condition that Israel postpone its declaration of independence. The Arab states accepted and Israel rejected, in part because it had worked out a secret deal with Jordan`s King Abdullah, whereby his Arab Legion would invade the Palestinian territory assigned to the Palestinian state and not interfere with the Jewish state. (Since Jordan was closely allied to Britain, the scheme also provided a way for London to maintain its position in the region.) The other Arab states invaded as much to thwart Abdullah`s designs as to defeat Israel.7
Most of the fighting that ensued took place on territory that was to be part of the Palestinian state or the internationalize d Jerusalem. Thus, Israel was primarily fighting not for its survival, but to expand its borders at the expense of the Palestinians. For most of the war, the Israelis actually held both a quantitative and qualitative military edge, even apart from the fact that the Arab armies were uncoordinated and operating at cross purposes.8
When the armistice agreements were signed in 1949, the Palestinian state had disappeared, its territory taken over by Israel and Jordan, with Egypt in control of the Gaza Strip. Jerusalem, which was to have been internationalize d, was divided between Israeli and Jordanian control. Israel now held 78% of Palestine. Some 700,000 Palestinians had become refugees.
Why did Palestinians become refugees in 1948?
The Israeli government claim is that Palestinians chose to leave Palestine voluntarily, instructed to do so via radio broadcasts from Arab leaders who wanted to clear a path for their armies. But radio broadcasts from the area were monitored by the British and American governments and no evidence of general orders to flee has ever been found. On the contrary, there are numerous instances of Arab leaders telling Palestinians to stay put, to keep their claim to the territory.9 People flee during wartime for a variety of reasons and that was certainly the case here. Some left because war zones are dangerous environments. Some because of Zionist atrocities -- most dramatically at Deir Yassin where in April 1948 254 defenseless civilians were slaughtered. Some left in panic, aided by Zionist psychological warfare which warned that Deir Yassin`s fate awaited others. And some were driven out at gunpoint, with killings to speed them on their way, as in the towns of Ramle and Lydda.10
There is no longer any serious doubt that many Palestinians were forcibly expelled. The exact numbers driven out versus those who panicked or simply sought safety is still contested, but what permits us to say that all were victims of ethnic cleansing is that Israeli officials refused to allow any of them to return. (In Kosovo, any ethnic Albanian refugee, whether he or she was forced out at gunpoint, panicked, or even left to make it easier for NATO to bomb, was entitled to return.) In Israel, Arab villages were bulldozed over, citrus groves, lands, and property seized, and their owners and inhabitants prohibited from returning. Indeed, not only was the property of ``absentee`` Palestinians expropriated, but any Palestinians who moved from one place within Israel to another during the war were declared ``present absentees`` and their property expropriated as well.
Of the 860,000 Arabs who had lived in areas of Palestine that became Israel, only 133,000 remained. Some 470,000 moved into refugee camps on the West Bank (controlled by Jordan) or the Gaza Strip (administered by Egypt). The rest dispersed to Lebanon, Syria, and other countries.
Why did Israel expel the Palestinians?
In part to remove a potential fifth column. In part to obtain their property. In part to make room for more Jewish immigrants. But mostly because the notion of a Jewish state with a large non-Jewish minority was extremely awkward for Israeli leaders. Indeed, because Israel took over some territory intended for the Palestinian state, there had actually been an Arab majority living within the borders of Israel. Nor was the idea of expelling Palestinians something that just emerged in the 1948 war. In 1937, Ben Gurion had written to his son, ``We will expel the Arabs and take their places ... with the force at our disposal.``11
How did the international community react to the problem of the Palestinian refugees?
In December 1948, the General Assembly passed Resolution 194, which declared that ``refugees wishing to return to their homes and live in peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so`` and that ``compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return.`` This same resolution was overwhelmingly adopted year after year. Israel repeatedly refused to carry out the terms of the resolution.
Following 1948, didn`t the Arab states continually try to destroy Israel?
After Israel`s victory in the 1948-49 war, there were several opportunities for peace. There was blame on all sides, but Israeli intransigence was surely a prime factor. In 1951, a UN peace plan was accepted by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Jordan, but rejected by Israel. When Nasser came to power in Egypt, he made overtures to Israel that were rebuffed. When Nasser negotiated an end to British control of the Suez Canal zone, Israeli intelligence covertly arranged a bombing campaign of western targets in Egypt as a way to discourage British withdrawal. The plot was foiled, Egypt executed some of the plotters, and Israel responded with a major military attack on Gaza.14 In 1956, Israel joined with Britain and France in invading Egypt, drawing condemnation from the United States and the UN.
How were the Occupied Territories occupied?
In June 1967, Israel launched a war in which it seized all of Palestine (the West Bank including East Jerusalem from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt), along with the Sinai from Egypt and the Golan Heights from Syria. Large numbers of Palestinians, some living in cities, towns, and villages, and some in refugee camps, came under Israeli control. (In 2001, half the Palestinian population of the Occupied Territories lived in refugee camps.15 The Israeli conquest also sent a new wave of refugees from Palestine to surrounding countries.)
Israel`s supporters argue that although Israel fired the first shots in this war, it was a justified preventive war, given that Arab armies were mobilizing on Israel`s borders, with murderous rhetoric. The rhetoric was indeed blood-curdling, and many people around the world worried for Israel`s safety. But those who understood the military situation -- in Tel Aviv and the Pentagon -- knew quite well that even if the Arabs struck first, Israel would prevail in any war. Nasser was looking for a way out and agreed to send his vice-president to Washington for negotiations. Israel attacked when it did in part because it rejected negotiations and the prospect of any face-saving compromise for Nasser. Menachem Begin, who was an enthusiastic supporter of this (and other) Israeli wars was quite clear about the necessity of launching an attack: In June 1967, he said, Israel ``had a choice.`` Egyptian Army concentrations did not prove that Nasser was about to attack. ``We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.``
#346 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on March 25, 2006 10:16:18 am
BJkumar #345,
BJ Yaar,
Did you keep a daily diary back then?
BJ Yaar,
Did you keep a daily diary back then?
#345 Posted by bjkumar on March 25, 2006 10:06:41 am
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#344 Posted by Ramanujan on March 25, 2006 9:58:24 am
#340 by zeemax on March 25, 2006 9:19am PT
[Has anyone thought why Muhammad was happily and faithfully married for 15 years to Khadija alone, much older than himself, didn`t care about any other woman. ]
Yes, Islamic idiots have tried this kind of dumb rationalizations for ever. He was a lazy drone-like creature, with no inclination to adopt any fruitful profession. So marrying a older and richer woman was an easy way out. (Hitler, for example, was a useless bum - used to sleep on park benches - before he joined politics and came to power).
Why was he faithful? Otherwise Khadija would have kicked his a$$ out, and his drone-like existence would have come to an end. He did not have to work as long as Khadija was alive.
Here`s a list of SOME common questions raised by Islamic idiots. Their answers can be found at http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq.htm:
1 Some of Islam`s teachings may no t be applicable today. Islam played an important part in human civilization
2 What about the great minds of Islamic world? Shouldn’t we thank Islam for rearing these luminaries?
3 Your criticism is Just about Islam or all religions?
4 You talk about the bad parts of Islam. How about the good parts?
5 Do you suggest that Islam is bad for the people and they should accept other religions?
6 Is it right to be disrespectful towards any religion?
7 People must respect other people`s beliefs
8 You are insulting us and the religion of more than a billion people.
9 You seem to think that Violence and killing of non-believers is unique to Muslim
10 What you are writing are all facts and true. Like what the present Jews say ``The only good Arab is the Dead Arab``
11 God is invisible, incomprehensible, inaccessible, a pure essence, which cannot be described. You attempt to describe the indescribable and explain the unexplainable.
12 Why are you against God?
13 Who are we to really know who or what God is?
14 Human logic is fallible. It is not a reliable mean to know God.
15 What do you know that billions of human beings have missed out for thousands of years until this very moment?
16 Are you telling me that thousands of sages, saints and prophets during the history of mankind who believed in God were wrong, and now you want to ``refute`` that God is a being?
17 Why do you only talk about Islam? What about Christianity and Judaism that are as illogical as Islam?
18 But there are other versions of Islam. Not all Muslims are fanatics.
19 You are wrong, it is intolerant people like you that cause hatred and stir sedition among people.
20 You are forgetting the historical context and the prevailing social, cultural, and geo-political conditions of those times.
21 The Quran can be interpreted in different ways. This is the beauty of the Quran.
22 How is it possible that this world has come to be without any intervention ?
23 If Muhammad was not the messenger of God, why would he pretend to be?
24 If Muhammad was insane like you say, then how did he could fool so many people so easily?
25 Keeping people to believe in a false doctrine for 23 years is a hard thing to do.
26 I don`t understand why would Muhammad lie about being a prophet? After all he was known to be very honest,
27 I just think that Muhammad must really have believed in what he was doing.
28 There are some cases that seem extraordinary, like the Battle of Badr, the Muslims were only one third of the other group or the Battle of Ohod. Doesn’t that prove that there was a divine force with the Prophet?
29 To what you attribute the rise of religious fundamentalism in the Islamic countries?
30 Islam is a religion filled with positives and negatives, and thanks to my rational ability, I am well able to dissect the positive from negative.
31 You emphasize so much on doubt and that your mission is to make people doubt their beliefs. Don’t you think that this isn’t polite? It means that you only cause confusion.
32 Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she`s respected for devoting herself to God, but when a Muslimah does that, she`s considered ``oppressed``?
33 Why a Jew can grow a beard and he`s just practicing his faith, and when a Muslim does that, he`s an extremist?
34 Why when a western woman stays at home to look after the house and kids she`s sacrificing herself and doing good for the household, but when a Muslim woman does so, she ``needs to be liberated``?
35 Why is it that when a child dedicates himself to a subject, he has potential, and when a child dedicates himself to Islam, he is hopeless?
36 Why when a Christian kills someone, religion is not mentioned, (i.e., Ireland and the IRA) but when a Muslim is charged with a crime, it`s Islam that goes to trial?
37 Why is it after all that, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world?
38 You quote the Quran out of its correct context.
39 Quran contains many good teachings. out of more than 6000 verses you pick only those that suit your agenda.
40 In the verse 79:30 it is stated that the Earth is egg shape. Eggs are spherical. How Muhammad knew this 1400 years ago?
41 I am a Muslim who, after reading your articles, am having some doubts. The only thing that is hindering me from apostasizing is the fear of hell.
42 Could you explain what is evolution and why everything happens at its pace as we so rightly see in our everyday lives? To elaborate further - the birth process, the death process, why do we eat & drink, why do we fall ill and equally, why and how are we cured and where does the cure come from?
43 I do not agree that Islam is against women. The Bible is very derogatory towards the women. Let it be known that in the Bible Eve was blamed for Adams downfall, that I Corinthians asserts that the man is the head of the woman and that a woman who walks within the church with her head uncovered is to be full of shame, that in I Corinthians as well a man is the reflection of God while the women is merely the reflection of man. ...
44 Before westerners accuse Islam of violating the rights of women, lets look at their own statistics and the number of women raped, abused and discarded there.
45 The way that women`s bodies are viewed as commodities changing as the current fashion trend dictates. The number of eating disorders, the huge diet industry and even larger beauty industry as women fight to be something that they can never achieve is an abuse of women. Why are most corporate CEO`s men, most managers--why are women still not given equal pay in the land of the free and the home of the brave? I am not saying that some Islamic countries are not full of problems but let`s not close our eyes to the problems of the western world.
46 You have quoted that ``truth is pathless`` which seems to mean that it is not absolute. That no one has the absolute truth. And yet you go on to give your own philosophies of what truth is....
47 Islamic History hasn`t been ALL bad either. There are many examples of good Islamic societies. During the height of the Caliphate in Baghdad, Jews and Christians lived in peace as compared to the persecution of faith that went on in Europe at that time. There was a flowering of literature and philosophy and many examples of great `free spirits` who flourished under Islamic Society, such as (off the top of my head) Rumi, Ibn Arabi, Ibn Sina, Al-Jahiz and many, many others
48 All Muslims are not terrorists. I am a Muslim and I am not fanatic and violent. I believe deeply in peace, love and toleration between all peoples. And the Qur`an is not ``absolute darkness``
49 Are you suggesting that we should eliminate all the religions? Don`t you think that some religions have something good to offer? If so why is it that so many people are attracted to them?
50 Rumi was a very talented and intelligent man. Could he have been seeing something you and I can`t see?`` Clearly, the Qur`an cannot be barbaric if it produced one of the greatest lovers known to the West and the East.
51 Without Islam how can I raise my spiritual awareness,
52 If Islam is evil how comes cities like Cordoba , and Baghdad became places of enlightenment in science and math and medicine, and that Europeans were flocking to these places to learn from these Arabs.
53 If you are so anti-Islamic because the faith is evil, I want you to tell me what you think of the Talmud, the Pentateuch and of the Zohar and Kabbalah teachings that are just as violent as the Quran.
54 How do I know you are not a Zionist Jew masquerading as an ex-Muslim? I want to know, so then I can decide if I should accept your website.
55 All your arguments aside, the greatest testimony to Mohammad`s (pbuh) prophethood comes from the faith of those nearest to him. His best friend embraced Islam, his wife embraced Islam, his cousin and his slave embraced Islam. Some of his companions were always with him call it 24/7 surveillance if you will. In case you missed the point every aspect of his life is covered, from his wife we learn how he was in bed, from his slave we learn how he treated them, from his companions it is difficult to make out who he loved more, the Salman of Persia or the Abu Bakr of Mecca.
56 You may have several issues with Muhammad and the Quran he was inspired with but why would his companions, including his wife and his slaves speak so loftily about him?
57 People have found the name ``allah`` in fruits, such as the watermelon, tomato and the mango. When the fruit was cut in half the name ``allah`` appeared on the flesh. How is this possible? just thinking about it makes me scared.
58 what is your religion now?
59 The site claims to be faithfreedom but why you only criticize Islam? Shouldn’t the Muslims have the freedom to practice their faith?
60 The site claims that Muslims kill others. Are they killing just for fun? Don’t you think they are being oppressed and this is their way to get some justice?
61 If Muhammad was a liar then why he was known as Amin (trusted)?
62 If Islam is not true why is it the fastest growing religion?
63 Wouldn`t it be better to find and foster the true parts of Islam, in order to heal the madness that exists within it, rather than to inspire hate, fear and ``otherness``?
64 Islam is a religion that has some good to it. For example it tell Muslims that they will go to paradise if they do a good deeds for fellow followers etc.
65 In Sura 2:23 Allah challenges anyone to produce a sura like it. No one can write a sura like the suras of the Quran, so poetic and beautiful.
66 If Allah is not the same god of the Jews and Christians why God is called Allah in the Arabic Bible?
67 If Muhammad was a liar why he made a religion so hard to follow?
68 You are brainwashing people
69 Sites like this promote racism,
70 You quote the Quran out of context.
[Has anyone thought why Muhammad was happily and faithfully married for 15 years to Khadija alone, much older than himself, didn`t care about any other woman. ]
Yes, Islamic idiots have tried this kind of dumb rationalizations for ever. He was a lazy drone-like creature, with no inclination to adopt any fruitful profession. So marrying a older and richer woman was an easy way out. (Hitler, for example, was a useless bum - used to sleep on park benches - before he joined politics and came to power).
Why was he faithful? Otherwise Khadija would have kicked his a$$ out, and his drone-like existence would have come to an end. He did not have to work as long as Khadija was alive.
Here`s a list of SOME common questions raised by Islamic idiots. Their answers can be found at http://www.faithfreedom.org/faq.htm:
1 Some of Islam`s teachings may no t be applicable today. Islam played an important part in human civilization
2 What about the great minds of Islamic world? Shouldn’t we thank Islam for rearing these luminaries?
3 Your criticism is Just about Islam or all religions?
4 You talk about the bad parts of Islam. How about the good parts?
5 Do you suggest that Islam is bad for the people and they should accept other religions?
6 Is it right to be disrespectful towards any religion?
7 People must respect other people`s beliefs
8 You are insulting us and the religion of more than a billion people.
9 You seem to think that Violence and killing of non-believers is unique to Muslim
10 What you are writing are all facts and true. Like what the present Jews say ``The only good Arab is the Dead Arab``
11 God is invisible, incomprehensible, inaccessible, a pure essence, which cannot be described. You attempt to describe the indescribable and explain the unexplainable.
12 Why are you against God?
13 Who are we to really know who or what God is?
14 Human logic is fallible. It is not a reliable mean to know God.
15 What do you know that billions of human beings have missed out for thousands of years until this very moment?
16 Are you telling me that thousands of sages, saints and prophets during the history of mankind who believed in God were wrong, and now you want to ``refute`` that God is a being?
17 Why do you only talk about Islam? What about Christianity and Judaism that are as illogical as Islam?
18 But there are other versions of Islam. Not all Muslims are fanatics.
19 You are wrong, it is intolerant people like you that cause hatred and stir sedition among people.
20 You are forgetting the historical context and the prevailing social, cultural, and geo-political conditions of those times.
21 The Quran can be interpreted in different ways. This is the beauty of the Quran.
22 How is it possible that this world has come to be without any intervention ?
23 If Muhammad was not the messenger of God, why would he pretend to be?
24 If Muhammad was insane like you say, then how did he could fool so many people so easily?
25 Keeping people to believe in a false doctrine for 23 years is a hard thing to do.
26 I don`t understand why would Muhammad lie about being a prophet? After all he was known to be very honest,
27 I just think that Muhammad must really have believed in what he was doing.
28 There are some cases that seem extraordinary, like the Battle of Badr, the Muslims were only one third of the other group or the Battle of Ohod. Doesn’t that prove that there was a divine force with the Prophet?
29 To what you attribute the rise of religious fundamentalism in the Islamic countries?
30 Islam is a religion filled with positives and negatives, and thanks to my rational ability, I am well able to dissect the positive from negative.
31 You emphasize so much on doubt and that your mission is to make people doubt their beliefs. Don’t you think that this isn’t polite? It means that you only cause confusion.
32 Why a nun can be covered from head to toe and she`s respected for devoting herself to God, but when a Muslimah does that, she`s considered ``oppressed``?
33 Why a Jew can grow a beard and he`s just practicing his faith, and when a Muslim does that, he`s an extremist?
34 Why when a western woman stays at home to look after the house and kids she`s sacrificing herself and doing good for the household, but when a Muslim woman does so, she ``needs to be liberated``?
35 Why is it that when a child dedicates himself to a subject, he has potential, and when a child dedicates himself to Islam, he is hopeless?
36 Why when a Christian kills someone, religion is not mentioned, (i.e., Ireland and the IRA) but when a Muslim is charged with a crime, it`s Islam that goes to trial?
37 Why is it after all that, Islam is still the fastest growing religion in the world?
38 You quote the Quran out of its correct context.
39 Quran contains many good teachings. out of more than 6000 verses you pick only those that suit your agenda.
40 In the verse 79:30 it is stated that the Earth is egg shape. Eggs are spherical. How Muhammad knew this 1400 years ago?
41 I am a Muslim who, after reading your articles, am having some doubts. The only thing that is hindering me from apostasizing is the fear of hell.
42 Could you explain what is evolution and why everything happens at its pace as we so rightly see in our everyday lives? To elaborate further - the birth process, the death process, why do we eat & drink, why do we fall ill and equally, why and how are we cured and where does the cure come from?
43 I do not agree that Islam is against women. The Bible is very derogatory towards the women. Let it be known that in the Bible Eve was blamed for Adams downfall, that I Corinthians asserts that the man is the head of the woman and that a woman who walks within the church with her head uncovered is to be full of shame, that in I Corinthians as well a man is the reflection of God while the women is merely the reflection of man. ...
44 Before westerners accuse Islam of violating the rights of women, lets look at their own statistics and the number of women raped, abused and discarded there.
45 The way that women`s bodies are viewed as commodities changing as the current fashion trend dictates. The number of eating disorders, the huge diet industry and even larger beauty industry as women fight to be something that they can never achieve is an abuse of women. Why are most corporate CEO`s men, most managers--why are women still not given equal pay in the land of the free and the home of the brave? I am not saying that some Islamic countries are not full of problems but let`s not close our eyes to the problems of the western world.
46 You have quoted that ``truth is pathless`` which seems to mean that it is not absolute. That no one has the absolute truth. And yet you go on to give your own philosophies of what truth is....
47 Islamic History hasn`t been ALL bad either. There are many examples of good Islamic societies. During the height of the Caliphate in Baghdad, Jews and Christians lived in peace as compared to the persecution of faith that went on in Europe at that time. There was a flowering of literature and philosophy and many examples of great `free spirits` who flourished under Islamic Society, such as (off the top of my head) Rumi, Ibn Arabi, Ibn Sina, Al-Jahiz and many, many others
48 All Muslims are not terrorists. I am a Muslim and I am not fanatic and violent. I believe deeply in peace, love and toleration between all peoples. And the Qur`an is not ``absolute darkness``
49 Are you suggesting that we should eliminate all the religions? Don`t you think that some religions have something good to offer? If so why is it that so many people are attracted to them?
50 Rumi was a very talented and intelligent man. Could he have been seeing something you and I can`t see?`` Clearly, the Qur`an cannot be barbaric if it produced one of the greatest lovers known to the West and the East.
51 Without Islam how can I raise my spiritual awareness,
52 If Islam is evil how comes cities like Cordoba , and Baghdad became places of enlightenment in science and math and medicine, and that Europeans were flocking to these places to learn from these Arabs.
53 If you are so anti-Islamic because the faith is evil, I want you to tell me what you think of the Talmud, the Pentateuch and of the Zohar and Kabbalah teachings that are just as violent as the Quran.
54 How do I know you are not a Zionist Jew masquerading as an ex-Muslim? I want to know, so then I can decide if I should accept your website.
55 All your arguments aside, the greatest testimony to Mohammad`s (pbuh) prophethood comes from the faith of those nearest to him. His best friend embraced Islam, his wife embraced Islam, his cousin and his slave embraced Islam. Some of his companions were always with him call it 24/7 surveillance if you will. In case you missed the point every aspect of his life is covered, from his wife we learn how he was in bed, from his slave we learn how he treated them, from his companions it is difficult to make out who he loved more, the Salman of Persia or the Abu Bakr of Mecca.
56 You may have several issues with Muhammad and the Quran he was inspired with but why would his companions, including his wife and his slaves speak so loftily about him?
57 People have found the name ``allah`` in fruits, such as the watermelon, tomato and the mango. When the fruit was cut in half the name ``allah`` appeared on the flesh. How is this possible? just thinking about it makes me scared.
58 what is your religion now?
59 The site claims to be faithfreedom but why you only criticize Islam? Shouldn’t the Muslims have the freedom to practice their faith?
60 The site claims that Muslims kill others. Are they killing just for fun? Don’t you think they are being oppressed and this is their way to get some justice?
61 If Muhammad was a liar then why he was known as Amin (trusted)?
62 If Islam is not true why is it the fastest growing religion?
63 Wouldn`t it be better to find and foster the true parts of Islam, in order to heal the madness that exists within it, rather than to inspire hate, fear and ``otherness``?
64 Islam is a religion that has some good to it. For example it tell Muslims that they will go to paradise if they do a good deeds for fellow followers etc.
65 In Sura 2:23 Allah challenges anyone to produce a sura like it. No one can write a sura like the suras of the Quran, so poetic and beautiful.
66 If Allah is not the same god of the Jews and Christians why God is called Allah in the Arabic Bible?
67 If Muhammad was a liar why he made a religion so hard to follow?
68 You are brainwashing people
69 Sites like this promote racism,
70 You quote the Quran out of context.
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