Oil and Water do Mix

bjkumar #5

While I agree with you that this may be snake oil/water?? but water is no longer self regulating, I am afraid. That was when water was not transportable without machinery. Think of Libya, they are piping in water from long long miles away, hence populations can increase without immediate water availability.

I am afraid I also have to disagree on the need for oil, energy usage is so crucial to current human civilisation that lack of it will cause severe dislocation, yes, people will learn but it its like comparing death by shooting versus death by poisoning, it will take longer, some may survive but boy oh boy, the journey will be painful.

#6 by SaimaShah

I am afraid its a question of resources. In the absense of limited resources and increasing demand, pricing is the only way forward. One cannot violate the fundamental laws of economics, I am afraid.

ref 4 and 5

mr. kaptain thanks for reminding the indian efforts to help indians at cost of pakistan as usual. in long term only securing kashmir or bringing under international control is solution. unfortunately it has become strong people are just taking water and tailenders get only waste water. turks have stabbed iraq and syria by building dams and arab countries are suffering and nobody bothers. i am told usa empties all calorado river and mexico gates nothing. india has usurped ravi, bias and setlej and making troubles with india, and zelem and this is worst than raw activities.qama jinnah was right to start struggle for kashmir as per tnt it belong to irp not to godless secular, hindu mejority india. unfortunately our people are not able to see dream of qama into reality due to lack of sacrafice and armies attitude of always avoiding war and not ask people for sacrafice. but its not only armies fault but by noyt giving taxes and cheating by awam army can not have equipment and strength and money. people will not get kashmir as no body gets free meal from enemy. qama called jugler vain is true and is in indian hands and can play with our water supply. it looks they want to take away water from us and they are slowly and surely doing that. it so slow and calibrated that we get used to shortages and remain quite. once they get now civii improved equipment to make energy by reactors they will built those and pump water to south wich is thirsty and screw us. hope china and our lobby in usa derails such plans.

indians are good in making movies and they have invated our mind by movies etc. now they want to be more friend with our other friend on west.they are poisoning minds of afghans and giving wrong ideas and trying to hurt. as we know after indus most water comes from kabul river though that water carres too much silt. now bbc report says india wants to help aghans(screw pakistan) by helping to biuld dams on kabul and its tributaries. this will be done and will have adverse effect on water flowing in indus and nothing can be done as afghans do not care to make some commitment they will have pleasure of hurting pakistan, they have good record of biting hand which feeds them ie pakistan. so the game is going around first upsurping Pakistani water and then hurts neighbour by inducing afghans to use pakistani water. be assured we will have lots of indian peace and friendship conferences.
second important is gas oil and gas. now here they have special treatment for us. first they established consulate at jallalabad and kandhar which are wild cities. indian consulate= raw regional headquarters. first they burnt pakistani consulate and made contracts with local war lords to bring `awam` when needed to throw stones at our establishments. now a days little indinas are running all around pak-afhgan border as ngos and helping organization in making little contracts with talibans and baloach nationalist like blowing pipe lines, railtracks and power poles. price is cheap and damage is great. this called indian foreign assistance. they have paid for 80% pipeline blowups, 75% railway damage and 90% blowing of electric power rods.even general pm had to say it openly about indian involvement in sabotage and specially blowing up of pipelines. This creates bad feeling in business community. some blow ups have been quite successful, indias main aim is to blow up national assets. they are financing beared sardar who has fled to mountains and some sessionist people like atta ullah mengal. he is always taking of breaking away and threating all time and black mailing.india is afraid of big G as they know that once it start working and all oil pipelines converge from central asia pakistan will become rotterdam of europe and money will be flowing like water. they are so afraid that they are putting money in iran in development in port of chahbahar. they have put money to connect this port to afghan border also recently sold at cheap prices 5 disel electric locomotives and deceived them as they are not new but refurbished locos. probably they will break down specially when they have to pull goods trains at 2 to 3% grades. soon iranians are going to get lessons in business of refurbished locos, hahaha....
india has decided to make sabotage as policy so energy pipelines will not be bringing millions of tons liqid oil and want to sabotage future refineries and cement plants and urea and value added oil products. they are worried for pakistan will start big refining crude and india high speed disel exports will not be able to compete. when you can not compete sabotage is the policy.
oil and water are most important liquids and indians are trying to curtal both by helping afghan jungalis to build dams and blow pipe lines, towers and railways and help iran by buildind road and helping by putting money and locos to sabotage BIG G. We have good friends. I guess we have lots of peace conference and lots of indian movies by desrtroying energy and energy things and destroying minds by indian movies. It perfect plan and still they want peace, kashmir forget they are not going to reciprocate peace by real deeds talk and super talk, useless people and stupid our people people who believe in nonsense and we reduce military budget and criticise army. great.

Privitization of water has been tried in some places with disastrous consequences. When poor people are asked to pay for water, it becomes a very sick sight. Pricing water is like asking a few million people to voluntarily die.

Pricing water is another get rich scheme whereby a few will profit at the expense of many. IMHO the public sector has being doing just fine in supplying water--it can be improved--why sell water?

And if we continue to price and sell natural resources, what will be next? Air? and then? family? Where will we stop? and for what? and all this because we rationalize corruption in the public sector and call it a tax? for an accountant everything has a price. For humans, life is more than that--it is essentially priceless. The UN has really become a guardian of capitalist interests--therefore this guardian angel status we accord to it is rubbish.

And why is oil sold like this?. Why can`t the oil producing countries choose the price and to whom it is sold? Why was Iraq forced to follow an oil for food program that failed miserably. Why did Saddam order the oil wells burnt a few years ago? Why can`t oil be rationed according to global population density. Who gets to decide the price of oil and why?

Go down the rabbit hole at your own risk.

Beads,

As before, you are able to create original perspectives based on simple day-to-day facts - it`s very slick of you - or perhaps one could say that this ain`t no snake oil!

But some of your arguments do appear not to hold much water - or perhaps they are simply not water-tight! For example, in many ways, the availability or otherwise of water is self-regulating - in its absence, the population will not grow.

The need for water is natural. The need for oil is a learned need. We can never survive without water, but large segments of humanity will be able to survive without its oil.

[Because in few decades time, if we have the same issues with water as we have with oil, then I am moving to Mars.]
Sure, then you can do your next article on similarities between water and air (make sure you carry some air with you).

Strange nobody mentioned the Baglihar Dam





Gomal Zam Dam

#1 tahmed, thank you.
#2 ahmedmadani: what people forget is that the north african littoral extraction project is based upon extracting FOSSIL water, this water is not replenishable by ordinary means such as rainfall or rivers. Once its gone, its gone.

This project intrigued me.
``. The North African Littoral which Libya is mining and causing alarm in
Algeria: The good colonel has decided to put gigantic water pipes from south
of the country to the north to bring water from deep underground aquifers to
help in agriculture and other industries. This large aquifer spans Algeria
and Tunisia as well and they are getting nervous about the huge diminution
of their underground water resources. ``
This water will be taken out of stomach of earth for say 50 years and as described spread over about million sq miles( rough calculation of mine). One day it will be gone, then does this empty sponge will absorb water from near by areas? If water is gone which is trillion of gallons will that area sink and lead nasty earthquakes. Can this structure of porous vains survive the loss water so when there are floods it can go back and recharge so pumping can go for ever?

In pakistan near water resources some times its reverse condition in Punjab. Due to over irrigation there is rise in water table and some lands are water logged and wasted and can never be used for crops. Some engineer told that water is not good as full of alkai type salts and he said only way is flood areas with good water and take out bad water like outfall canals.

If some body knows can write about both things. Thanks good night.

`God save thee, ancient Mariner!
From the fiends, that plague thee thus!—
Why look`st thou so?`—`With my crossbow
I shot the Albatross.

....

Day after day, day after day,
We stuck, nor breath nor motion;
As idle as a painted ship
Upon a painted ocean.

Water, water, everywhere,
And all the boards did shrink;
Water, water, everywhere,
Nor any drop to drink.


Good article. The problem, janaab dasgupta sahib, is not the lack of water. It is the albatross of good judgement in matters related to science and the environment that we have killed.