Taj a Mirage

My Dear Author of the Article...
``........ who put Shahjehan’s bed in one of the balconies of the Red Fort with a window facing the Taj on other side of the river``

Who ever your guide was he passed on wrong information to you.... You cannot see the TAJ from Red Fort.. the fort in Agra is called Agra Fort....

If you were to educate people in your circles about the atrocities of the Indian Muslims in India, this is proof enough of your in-VALIDITY....

Cheers....

Ref HP #12

[Hindu and Jain ruins every where....
Some history being taught in India...
you guys are truely unbelievable!]

One really does have to wonder about the history taught in Indian schools with textbooks by JNU professors who whitewash the crimes of Islamic sultans.

You perhaps can come up with a theory as to why there are no ancient temples of magnificence in North India whereas you can find them in Orissa (Konarak), Madhya Pradesh (Khajuraho), Rajasthan (Mount Abu), and all over South India. You will definitely earn a PhD in Islamic Archaeology and Architecture from some Pakistani university.

I notice you have no answer to the question why the pillars in the mosque at the Qutb have celstial nymphs and musicians portrayed on them. Can you give me one such mosque anywhere else in the world?

You can start off in Saudi Arabia and cruise through Turkey, Bulgaria (where the invading Muslims introduced buggery), Bosnia, Kosovo, Moorish Spain, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Pakistan, Malaysia, Brunei, etc. You can also compare the Jumma Masjids in Lahore, Delhi, Agra, etc., and tell me where you find statues carved on pillars, friezes carved on walls, etc.

Janji #1: ``I could not get to Wasim or Moin or PCB. I did not even try, but I did pray to God next day for their sake for Pakistan victory in the next match against India. And it did win with a comprehensive margin.``

You should have at least tried to talk to Moin or PCB. This apathy is the root cause of Muslim brothers suffering in India. I was going to say `Shame on you` but it seems you do have a special pull with God.

Doees God always listen to you or do you forget to pray sometimes before the match? It will be extremely boring if the outcome of any match was already decreed by you.

ANyhow I agree the editing was heavy handed censorship and thought control. There was absolutely no need for it.

bigot i m not, ballu and nasah both of you are wrong, absolutely wrong...and i won`t call you name...
the problem with guys like you is that if it comes from the other side of the border they become very very defensive. don`t feel lonely you have lot of company in many pakistanis like you. and i m not one of them...
what i wrote was what i observed, it was in agra not anywhere in pakstan... yes, in pakistan samething is happening and it is worse, because there are killing ``supposedly of their own kind``...

`` plight of muslims in India of which i caught just a glimps in one day trip to agra``....

no you did not --

you caught a glimpse of your own bigoted mind -- and you got a glimpse of Muslim plight that is thousand times worse in Pakistan than anywhere in India --

AT LEAST the Indian ones are doing something useful -- doing their trade -- not loafing around blowing up their masjids in the Pakistani War of Masjids -- and massacring their own stupid little Ummas while bent in Namaz........

Bullukhan is right......you do have a communal mindset.....all that travel to broaden your horizon is practically useless for you.....

`` They looked timid and frightened, their head bent down trying to concentrate on their work, but at the same time wanting to communicate with the onlookers. ``

``They were dying to know who I was and how I ended up there. ``

``I saw a shine in their eyes and a smile on their faces. I knew they were expecting this answer. but wanted to hear it from me.``

Wow !! A typical fantasy of every bigoted Pakistani- fancying themselves as saviours of the muslims as if every IM is looking up to them to liberate them from the oppression of the non-muslims...................I wonder if these typical communal Pakistanis can ever get out of this `Saviours of the Ummah` mindset....................get back to the real world and stop looking at every thing from a communal mindset!!!

HP:

Mumtaz Mahal was her title. Arjumand Bano , the name.

All begumat of the palace had titles: Look up all the princely states & some surviving begums even to this day. Mahal was the title reserved for thr queen only.

Zeenat Mahal, Hazrat Mahal etc etc.

Simply manufactured neo-myths these are.


P.s: If at all, I would be more interested to know if their is a hindu-deity buried under Akbar`s samadhi.

Taj Mahal or “the Tejo Mahalaya”?

#8 by echoboom
”The folks of Agra ( non-scholars, but the `commoners`--a.k.a the truly knowledgeable ones) still call it :``Taj bibi ka rauza.``

Well! I can understand that some would call/ pronounce mumtaz as mumtaj and over time it was also shortened to TAJ.

However, the Taj Mahal was named during the construction so it must mean the “crown palace” but then why would a mausoleum be named the crown palace?

I think the evidence is quite overwhelming and in view of the Hindu and Jain ruins everywhere and the process of conversion that went on in India and started with converting buildings first-(later transferred to human-Hindu converted to Muslims) the Taj Mahal actually was a Hindu worship place named:

“the Tejo Mahalaya”

Shahjehen turned that name around and called the building The “Taj Mahal”

There is some evidence of Hindu and Jain ruins in Taj Mahal too.

“One can perambulate through these rooms around the central octagonal sanctorum, now occupied by Mumtaz`s fake grave. The aperture, seen through of the central door, enabled perambulating devotees to keep their eyes fixed on the Shiva Linga in the central chamber. Hindu Shiva Lingas are consecrated in two chambers, one above the other. Therefore, Shahjahan had to raise two graves in the name of Mumtaz--one in the marble basement and the other on the ground floor to desecrate and hide both the Shiva emblems from public view. [The famous Shiva temple in Ujjain also has an underground chamber for one of its Shiva-lingams.]”

It is shiva linga that is buried in there and not Mumtaz Mahal. Who died some six hundred miles away (Burhanpura) and her body was transferred to Agra six months later.

What I don’t understand is that she died in 1630 and the construction of the Taj Mahal started in 1631. That to me does not make sense. For a building of this size, it would take more than one year to just have the designs ready, hire the craftsmen/artisans and other handymen. Since some of them came from the faraway lands, it might have taken them over one year to just make their journey to Agra. I hope you see my point.

One year is just too short a time to take up, design, and start a project of this size.
We do know that there were some structures already there but what we don’t know is how much of that was changed to design the Taj.

So, in a way, the claim that the Taj mahal was originally the “Tejo Mahalaya”
has some validity…

Re: # 13
HP:
you ar really carried away with your assertions on who bulit it and how long it took it to build... If you go back to the article it says: It took more than twenty years, 30,000 laborers, artisans and engineers to finish this magnificent work of art.

And of course there were thousands of hindus who must have participated in construction of the Taj... Unfortunately, the history is taught in Bharat and Pakistan is quite different from one another, who knows what is true. You cannot trust the orientalists...they are full of bs. I buy echoboom`s explanation about the origin of the name, sounds reasonable. Do not try to rewrite or distart the history with some of your hypothesis, and coincidences and chances may seem to be real...

And by the way, who is talking about the Red Fort was built by Shahjahan, I never claimed that, sincerely i do not even know, so stay focussed on Taj and plight of muslims in India of which i caught just a glimps in one day trip to agra... those should be the two main objects of the discssions...

#11

Like any half a brain can tell after looking at these images that the red fort was actually build by some Hindu Raja (Raja Anangoal 1060 A.D.) ….Where do we get people with half a brain?…bred only in India…

Hindu and Jain ruins everywhere...

“It is entirely false that the Red Fort of Delhi was built by Shahjahan in 1639-48 A.D. Muslims were the destroyers of statues. Then why should they have constructed statues? But there are statues of Hindu Mahavants riding the elephants of the doors of each interior room of ``Khas Mahal`` in the Red Fort. On the main gate of the Fort named ``Delhi Darwaja,`` there are huge statues of elephants. The curtain of building statues of elephants on forts and palace gates can be well judged by examining the palaces at Gwalior, Udaipur and Kota. Decorating homes, forts, palaces and temples with elephants is a hoary Hindu tradition. To the Hindu an elephant symbolizes might, power, glory and wealth. The Red Fort in Delhi has life-size elephants at its gate and elephants with riders atop its door knobs in the Khas Mahal pavilion. Had Shahjahan built the fort, such Hindu motifs should not have been there.”

The resplendent Hindu midday sun (from whom Hindu rulers claim descent) in the arch above flanked by the sacred Hindu letter OM. This proves the hollowness of the claim that Shahjahan commissioned the Red Fort.



These life size elephants flanking the Delhi Gate of Delhi`s Red Fort are an unmistakable sign of the fort`s Hindu origin. This is one of the proofs that the Red Fort was commissioned by Raja Anangoal (1060 A.D.) and not the Mogul emperor Shahjahan (1639-48) as is erroneously believed. [The fort predates Shahjahan by 600 years, similar to the Taj Mahal.]



A close up of the elephant and rider door knob in the Khas Mahal of the Red Fort in Delhi. This is a typically Hindu motif. Other big life-size stone elephants decorating the Naqqar Khana (Music House) gate were slaughtered by Islamic invaders. The chopped up pieces may still be seen stored in the Khas Mahal basements. The public must insist on these being joined and displayed.




Hindu and Jain ruins every where....
Some history being taught in India...
you guys are truely unbelievable!

Re: # 12

Don`t divert the topic by bringing in random conspiracy theories on various monuments.

The issue is whether Qutub Minar is built on the ruins of Hindu/Jain temples. And it is, as certified by ASI and evident to anyone who`s been there except the Jaundiced eye.

This denial by Muslims about genuine cases of destruction does not help anyone.

If Muslims can`t and won`t accept that the Islamic Invaders have destroyed innumerable temples in India, then they will face the reactionary theories (like you mentioned below) and incidents like Babri Masjid,

Thanks,

When I read the title of this article I could feel that there must be something more behind the story than just the Taj Mahal. As I read on I started to forget that the Taj Mahal was in the story and my attention shifted towards the workers. I love the picture you painted about your experience because I could imagine the whole scenario while I was reading. It is such a shame that Muslim people till this day have to live in fear in a country they chose to stay in even after the partition. It is so sad to know that Muslim people are living in neighborhoods where people throw bombs to celebrate victory because this only promotes aggressive behavior. If everyone took the high way and remained civilized there wouldn`t be so much hostility between India and Pakistan today. I love how you express your emotions and how you could relate to these workers. Isn`t it amazing that you can feel a connection with people you never knew and still understand how they feel? This a very good article. I think you should write more about your experiences. You would be surprised where your words can take you.

well janji it is a very good article n i also forward those to my friends.but mostlly i like about this article is that u pay great attention to those poor artists trying to earn money from the skill they got.and most of all the funny part that ``the death of Muntaz Mahal may be due to giving birth too many children``but really at that time she won`t be the only wife of the King.
but janji many people in india like Pakistani team not only Muslims but it may be those people who want to make a good impression on u so they said such things so u can buy something from them.but Sub continent is always like that the people use to live together suddenlly aparted.Cricket will always be like a war janji n u can see those things during the matches on the faces of the players.
it was a nice n very good n funny article

HP: 5

The folks of Agra ( non-scholars, but the `commoners`--a.k.a the truly knowledgeable ones) still call it :``Taj bibi ka rauza.``

Taj is a corruption of Mumtaz, nothing to do with the word crown. The general populace of india have phonetic problem with a ``Z`` sound.

The Principal wife ( ShahJehan did have more than one offficial wife) of the Harem, the queen, was always titled as --Mahal. Remember Zeenat Mahal, Bahadur Shah`s queen and so many other `mahals` (queens) throughout the nawab states.

Ref HP #5


[I also recall my guide at the Qutab Minar. I asked him to give me the real story and he went into some cockamamie story about how it was a Hindu site and converted by the Muslims and this was before I have even heard of the Babri mosque/ Ram mandir or Ram lila story. It was fun though. It is good to hear some bs about these places.]

Well, you could have read the read the historical notes posted by the Archealogical Survey of India (ASI) at the Qutb Minar. They say that the Qutb Minar was built from 27 Jain and Hindu temples which had stood at the same site.

You could also have looked at the pillars of the mosque at the Qutb. They have figures sculpted on them; the noses are somehow missing. I don`t think Islamic mosques allow any sculptures.

But I am sorry; I didn`t make any allowances for the fact that you are blind. That is why you couldn`t read the ASI notices or look at the sculptures that seem to resemble celestial nymphs so commonly portrayed in Hindu temples.

[I also don’t believe in the story about Mumtaz Mahal. Shahjehan probably slept with everything that walked by him in his life (men exclude).]

Why exclude men? Knowing Muslim proclivities, probably men were favored over women!

I visited the Taj Mahal a long time ago. Possibly, I will be back there in June this year. Your write up did remind me of the fabulous time I had in Agra. I am surprised that you only visited the Taj. The Agra- Fatehpur area is full of so many monuments that one can spend days marveling at the artistic work of the craftsmen and architects who basically had no education in the field.

I remember the mirror in the Qilla that you mentioned. In fact I looked at the Taj from there too. The Guide gave me some bs story which was perhaps true but I am not a big fan of guides and their stories unless I am visiting some cavern.

I also recall my guide at the Qutab Minar. I asked him to give me the real story and he went into some cockamamie story about how it was a Hindu site and converted by the Muslims and this was before I have even heard of the Babri mosque/ Ram mandir or Ram lila story. It was fun though. It is good to hear some bs about these places. Now they are telling us that even the Taj was some hindu Raja’s palace and I heard another good one about the Lal Qila where they have discovered Ashoka chukkar.

Honestly, I have my doubts about the Taj. First, I wanna find out why it was named the Taj Mahal. I did not look at wiki but there must be some explanation of it some where. Shahjehan’s wife’s name was Mumtaz then why the palace was not named Mumtaz Mahal? Muslims never named mazars, Mahals so why this place was named a mahal? Was it originally designed to be a mazar or a palace for Shahjehan to have some fun?

I also don’t believe in the story about Mumtaz Mahal. Shahjehan probably slept with everything that walked by him in his life (men exclude). Ganja and Bhang were his other hobbies. He also built some mosques and I am not sure he ever even saw the inside of the Mosques he built. Why a king, who had such a great life, would spend time in a mosque? As if he ever needed anything from god.

Mumtaz was not his only wife even when she was alive so the story about her asking him to marry again appears bs. Shahjehan must be gleefully waiting for her death to screw some other beautiful Persian girls. Her illness had disturbed his routine.

Btw, I did not even see the artisans you and nasah are talking about. Could it possibly be a game played with the visitors to perhaps sell something or extract some money from people? Honestly, the stuff made out of marbles and other stones sold there is pretty low class, if you compare that to the work available in Karachi.

You seemed to have missed bassie bazaar too…Why go to Agra and not meet the real mumtaz mahals there?

More on this later…