Taking the Lid off Sexual Fantasies

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Re: # 92

here we go...another ``partial``/palatial sufi....(rolling eyes)

Dr. Sohail,

It seems you are evading my questions, Why?

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Zeena:

Your knowledgeable & incisive posts are a charm. Keep `em comin`.

``when in a blind alley: be polite; recite humanism``--Credo of the ayyar dervaish.

Ilahi tery yeh sadaa dil bunday kidhar jaaeN.

Re: # 67

Dear Khamkhwa...I am amused by your pen name khamakhwa and your comment.

I do have a busy practice but I love poetry and creative writing and enjoy talking to

creative people. Since I posted an article on chowk I felt it was imporatnt to read the letters

and respectfully respond. I am doing my homework as I would like to have fruitful

discussions in the future. I think since you people know each other you have developed

a sense of humour. I am just getting used to it. sincerely sohail

#76
Dr. Sohail


1:-You sadi,[[[Homosexuality was not socially accepted in society so it was part

of classification but when there was moral and political pressure it was removed.}}

Here you go again, confusing my concept . Homosexuality was always in society since Adam was born. And, yes it was always accepted as well. Some insane people marked it under this DSM-I classification(which was absurd and prejudiceed thing to do)

It was absolutely not moral or political pressure, it was more awareness of homosexuality with the latest research on hormones, brain anatomy, physiology and much much more, which was the basis of the removal of it from DSM and ICD classifications. Please, correct your info. Thanks

2:-You said,[[[ Psychiatric diagnosis is not like medical diagnosis...diabetes...bronchopheumonia....it is far more

vulnerable to social and political pressures of the profession as well as society. But that is

another topic for some other time.}}}

No, absolutely NOT. your approach is not like a psychiatrist, your approach is more of a psychologist. There is a huge difference between two of them and you know it very well , what is the difference?

Diabetes, bronchopneumonia etc etc and diagnosing schizophrenia come under same umbrella of medical ethics. Again, psychiatric diagnosis does not change with time, only their DSM and ICD get revised, diagnosis remains the same with minor addition of deletion of information based on research.

Psychiatric diagnosis is the treatment to release social and political pressure in the society to make society healhtier. You are contruding the whole concept. Sorry.

3:- you said,[[[In this article I was just focusing on the behaviour that is socially accepted and the fantasy at reflects the personal thoughts...social / emotional behaviour of a person and the differences.}}}

No, your article is just a confusion of some confused concept. Please clarify your concept first and then discuss with other interactors on chowk. Before submitting next article, my suggestion for you is to , please help people , don`t confuse them. Thank you

#5:-You said,{{{ I did not want to get into academic and psychiatric discussions.}}

hahahahaha, this is joke of the century. I am laughing out loud , rolling opver the floor, gosh, you are so, very funny, Dr. hahahahaha, ouch................

So, if you do not want to discuss psychiatry based on your academic knowledge here on chowk, then why you submitted this article?

So, your article is not about psych discussions, hammmm there is something nOT right here. Then what is it?

Dr. Sohail
Let me remind you again, wake up, hullo, hullo.....This article at hand is about psychaitric and academic discussions , how to solve psyh issues?

Chowkies are very smart interactors Dr.Sohail..............Let me give a piece of little advise , if you try to submit psych article next time, please, up date your own concept first and then invite us for discussions.

PS-This forum(Fornt Page) is solely meant for discussions based on the articles info. Thank you, gosh, patta nain ......................

Re: # 85

Dr. Sahib

I did not intend to steer the discussion towards your own profession and keep the discussion at general level on the issue at hand i.e. sexual fantasies and their effects on human lives.

I have another general question related to my last post.

The science of psychiatry was developed in West, starting with Freud`s psychoanalysis and all. There may have been some work done prior to him but he is considered as the man who started it all. Since then all the major names in this field belong to West.

As a layman I divide psychiatry (as far as treatment goes) in two broad categories:

1. Pathological, surgical, or pharmacological treatment.

2. Psycho-analytical treatment.

To me psycho-analytical treatment is the secular version of a procedure called ``confession`` in Catholicism. The process is similar in both methods. A patient opens up his feelings, intentions, inhibitions and secrets to his priest or a psycho-analyst. The later two analyze the statements of their patient as rationally as possible and advise their patient/confessor a solution to his problems; their suggestion is usually in the form of a recommended action which is intended to make patient make peace with himself. In other words, their recommendations are intended to change the behavioral traits of their patient.

As I said earlier that priest or psycoanalyst analyze the predicament of their patient rationally, but truth of the matter is that such a process of ``rational analysis`` is in fact impossible. For example, a priest would recommend an action that must conform to his moral values; similarly a secular psychoanalyst would recommend an action that conforms to his own moral standard. Let me elaborate this point with an example. Lets assume that I seek Nancy Friday`s opinion on my predicament, that I constantly have sexual fantasies about my sister, Nancy advice would be that ``talk to your sister; open up what is hidden inside you; you will be surprised to find out how mature human beings actually are; once you open up to your sister you would have an honest and mature relationship with her`` (This is actually a response, that I read in one of Nancy`s books). On the other hand if I seek advice on the same issue from the Imam Sahib of my mosque I am pretty sure that he will start his psychoanalysis of me with his 9 number jootaa.

The point is, that since psychiatry has developed in West. Its knowledgebase is comprised of the `experiences` of doctors and patients who reside in West. The people who developed psychiatry are/were overwhelmingly seculars and atheists; so a desi doctor who is trained in this psychiatry, how does he reconcile what is `science` and what is `on the ground`. The question is, is psychiatry universally applicable??

Re: # 68
Dear Burpinder....Although you do not like my Green Zone Philosophy yet it is very helpful

for me in my personal and professional life. According to that philosophy a healthy Green

Zone Communication can only take place when both parties are in the Green. If the

relationship is not in the Green then dialogue faces tension and conflicts and problems.

What I am hoping is that we can have a Green Zone dialogue so that i can learn from your

interesting comments and questions. As I said before I am new to chowk. All of you have a

history and you know each other. I am joining the group with great enthusiasm. I am

excited about sharing my ideas and receiving honest feedback. I hope we can create a

genuine dialogue which is mutually respectful and Green Zone. sincerely sohail

Saminasha Jii #75

Psychiatry was always my interest.

Re: # 79
Mr Gill, tussey secular kaddon tau ho gye?

You are still questionable in my eyes about you really are.
I have never seen a Gill who is Muslim, either you are faking your lastname or religion.

Re: # 79

Dear Urstruly....As a humanist I agree with you that individually and collectively we need

to respect other human beings. In my life humanism has helped me develop humanistic

philosophy which I shared in my book FROM ISLAM TO SECULAR HUMANISM and practice

humanistic psychotherapy that I practice in my clinic. I feel that patients are human beings

that struggle with emotional problems. They might have a diagnosis of Schizophrenia or

Depression or Persoanality Disorder but they are more than diagnosis. They are friends

and artists and lovers and artists. I feel that i am not treating the illness rather helping

human beings. My practice is more health oriented rather than illness oriented which is the

traditional medical model. I respect my colleagues who practice medical model and focus

on diagnosis but I have my own preferences and we have mutual respect.

For me what meaning people give to their lives is important and need to be respected.

sincerely sohail

Urstruly:

Meer kyaa sadaa hain, beemaar huay jiss kay sabab
Usee attaar kay launday sey davaa laitay haiN.

Sarkaree kharch pUr, canada meiN, upnee phhantsiaaN sunnanai kaa kiss kau shaque na hogaa. Kyaa tumhharay amreekaa meiN yeh xxx kaam upnay pullay sey paisay dey kr krnaa pRRtaa hai?

kabhhee aye haqiquat-e mun....

Re: # 80 Echo

Go main raha raheen-e-sittam haai roozgar
magar teray khyal se (kabhi?) ghafil nahin raha.

:)

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Re: # 78
So Dr Sohail SirJee,
Your profession is AL-Hilal or Haraam, as per your Hadiths? Just curious?

BTW, I still find you fascinating and interesting.