Taking the Lid off Sexual Fantasies
Khalid Sohail April 17, 2006
#143 Posted by drsohail on April 25, 2006 11:48:29 am
Re: # 141
Dear Dullabhatti,
You had asked me a question last week ...why teenagers fantasize about older women and
why older men in their 40s fantasize about younger women? I have been thinking about it.
Today I met a married man in his fifties who shared his fantasies about a woman in her 20s.
When I asked him your question he said, ``It is related to the instinct of reproduction.
I cannot have any children with my wife anymore as she reached menopause. I am in my
50s physically but when I fantasize about that young woman I feel very young. In my mind
I can have a child with her``
I thought it was an interesting idea and I wanted to share it with you. I hope it reaches you.
sincerely sohail
Dear Dullabhatti,
You had asked me a question last week ...why teenagers fantasize about older women and
why older men in their 40s fantasize about younger women? I have been thinking about it.
Today I met a married man in his fifties who shared his fantasies about a woman in her 20s.
When I asked him your question he said, ``It is related to the instinct of reproduction.
I cannot have any children with my wife anymore as she reached menopause. I am in my
50s physically but when I fantasize about that young woman I feel very young. In my mind
I can have a child with her``
I thought it was an interesting idea and I wanted to share it with you. I hope it reaches you.
sincerely sohail
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#142 Posted by delhiwala on April 21, 2006 10:36:05 am
Re: # 141
Kyon bhai,
Tainu je SEX daaktar di lorr si te, hakim harkishan Lal, ex lahorian, uddey naale gull kar lenda.
Eh SEX-Daktar mainu jarra doubtful lagda si????
Kyon bhai,
Tainu je SEX daaktar di lorr si te, hakim harkishan Lal, ex lahorian, uddey naale gull kar lenda.
Eh SEX-Daktar mainu jarra doubtful lagda si????
#141 Posted by dullabhatti on April 21, 2006 9:49:31 am
good thing about this discussion is Dr sahib probably picked up couple of patients from here:-) or he should as they are crying for help aloud.:-)
#140 Posted by khurram on April 21, 2006 6:43:53 am
Re #133
drsohail, sex for reproduction ONLY has been a peculiar obsession of Western Christianity. Sometimes, people generalize this to all traditional cultures. This is not true. Other traditional cultures have been more accepting of sex for pleasure, though in marriage only.
drsohail, sex for reproduction ONLY has been a peculiar obsession of Western Christianity. Sometimes, people generalize this to all traditional cultures. This is not true. Other traditional cultures have been more accepting of sex for pleasure, though in marriage only.
#139 Posted by delhiwala on April 20, 2006 6:59:07 pm
You know what Dr Sohail your problem is; you want to hear about it......
ok, I will tell you anyways.
You are so damn uptight, if your interactions and your picture is any measure of who you are then you need to laugh buddy and interact at Chowk`s level. I am serious.
Open up your JOHARI window and let your ISTJ personality type explore the un-innate world.
Stop being a ``I know it all SEX-GOD`` and have fun.
You will be more respected on this site.
ok, I will tell you anyways.
You are so damn uptight, if your interactions and your picture is any measure of who you are then you need to laugh buddy and interact at Chowk`s level. I am serious.
Open up your JOHARI window and let your ISTJ personality type explore the un-innate world.
Stop being a ``I know it all SEX-GOD`` and have fun.
You will be more respected on this site.
#138 Posted by echoboom on April 20, 2006 2:42:08 pm
#137 by delhiwala
This is what I wrote earlier , here. In case, you missed it.
#84 by echoboom on April 19, 2006 8:11am PT
Urstruly:
Meer kyaa sadaa hain, beemaar huay jiss kay sabab
Usee attaar kay launday sey davaa laitay haiN.
Sarkaree kharch pUr, canada meiN, upnee phhantsiaaN sunnanai kaa kiss kau shaque na hogaa. Kyaa tumhharay amreekaa meiN yeh xxx kaam upnay pullay sey paisay dey kr krnaa pRRtaa hai?
kabhhee aye haqiquat-e mun....
tr:
``What a simpleton MEER is; He gets his medicine from the pharmacist`s nubile helper-boy, the very nubile one who is the centre of Meer`s incurable fantasy.
Under Canada Universal Health Plan, who would not avail the opportunity to recite his own fantasies to the Psyche-tics . In your Amreeka , does one has to pay from one`s own pocket for such xxx facility?
This is what I wrote earlier , here. In case, you missed it.
#84 by echoboom on April 19, 2006 8:11am PT
Urstruly:
Meer kyaa sadaa hain, beemaar huay jiss kay sabab
Usee attaar kay launday sey davaa laitay haiN.
Sarkaree kharch pUr, canada meiN, upnee phhantsiaaN sunnanai kaa kiss kau shaque na hogaa. Kyaa tumhharay amreekaa meiN yeh xxx kaam upnay pullay sey paisay dey kr krnaa pRRtaa hai?
kabhhee aye haqiquat-e mun....
tr:
``What a simpleton MEER is; He gets his medicine from the pharmacist`s nubile helper-boy, the very nubile one who is the centre of Meer`s incurable fantasy.
Under Canada Universal Health Plan, who would not avail the opportunity to recite his own fantasies to the Psyche-tics . In your Amreeka , does one has to pay from one`s own pocket for such xxx facility?
#137 Posted by delhiwala on April 20, 2006 1:40:31 pm
Re: # 135
Dr Sohail,
How is your practice?
Where in Toronto you are located?
If I send you some patients, what would be my commission?
Are you related to Khamkhwa by any chance(just wanted to make sure)?
I never had any good experience with Pakis in Amreeka, they all are tharkees, sexually depraved species.....
Waisey burra nahee maanNa, when I was in Delhi there was a Punjabi play in Delhi called ``Tharkee Budda``. It was really fun.
Dr Sohail,
How is your practice?
Where in Toronto you are located?
If I send you some patients, what would be my commission?
Are you related to Khamkhwa by any chance(just wanted to make sure)?
I never had any good experience with Pakis in Amreeka, they all are tharkees, sexually depraved species.....
Waisey burra nahee maanNa, when I was in Delhi there was a Punjabi play in Delhi called ``Tharkee Budda``. It was really fun.
#136 Posted by echoboom on April 20, 2006 12:33:03 pm
Some Psychiatric humour--satire:
The psychiatrist was sold lock-stock-and-barrel on the superiority of the western ways over his own paki-potpouri culture . His self-loathing had reached a muffled crescendo within him and this repression within him had become a pressure-cooker.
O! if the world listens to him & rather than the learned ones back home. A taboo-free world, where he himself could put into practice his own oedipus complex , be it as a fantasy--the picture & video would do as props. A little incest never really hurt anybody--was that not take when he was with his `no morality is the best morality` crowd.
It was late late at night & he was fantacising he favourite oedipus complex, picture in hand..when,
He was rudely brought back to the real world by another psychiatrist--his live-in hom-o-bi-multitasker.
*``The toddler won`t sleep``--the live-in mentioned about the 3 yr old they had adopted.
and why not?
* he is bawling out, that he must take a look at the big worm he spotted in the garden yesterday.
.........but it is 3 am, bitterly cold & totally dark near the ravine
* Yaa Yaa but remember we agreed on the theory that childhood trauma is bad for the sub-cons..; that ``every thing goes`` shall be our faith, credo if you may. you even wrote a book after you abandoned religion
.........O.k don`t rub it in now. Lets grab him & be done with it
So , flashlights in each hand, shivering even in their down-jackets & gowns, teeth chattering, they finally, after 2 hours of misery managed to locate the worm.
The kid asked them to take the worm inside. They complied--it was a matter of subconscious.
Huddled together, just as they eagerly went back to their beds, the kid was bawling again.
The kid insisted on getting the worm fried in a pan.
They trudged down the stairs, groggy & frazzled towards the kitchen, all in the interest of serving their adopted creed & breed.
They fried the worm. The toddler was ecstatic. He liked his breastless mom who always prevailed upon his skirt-clad dad.
Here eat it. The kid was told.
The kid cried copious tears: No No No you must eat the half of the worm with me.
to cut a long story short, they complied with all demands, in the service of humanity & no-morality creed, and ate half of the worm.
but the bawling was now such that the neighbors woke up.
The kid was screaming: You`ve eaten my half of the worm``!
The present Dr. Fraud, was Dr. Archie Freud in US, wase Dr. Arshad Fareed in Lahore,
was our own from our pind: the Phheedaa from chuk 420 mauzaa Harrappa.
narrated something like this when he was given his first assignment in animal behaviour class.
He was asked to keep a baby monkey under observation & jot down all the doings & undoings of the baby-monkey. This he had to commence after keeping the monkey in 5 days solitary with nothing except the four walls. Lot of monkey porn posters were displayed & movies run endlessly without disclaimers or ratings.
A peephole was there for the Psychiatrist to record his findings--all in the interest of `` No morality, is the best morality`` creed. His room was adjacent to that of the monkey--and the Psychiat was provided with ample human-porno stuff as well.
After five days when the dr. went to peek through the peep-hole; he was dumbfounded!
There was another eye on the other side! the baby monkey`s eye.
The psychiatrist was sold lock-stock-and-barrel on the superiority of the western ways over his own paki-potpouri culture . His self-loathing had reached a muffled crescendo within him and this repression within him had become a pressure-cooker.
O! if the world listens to him & rather than the learned ones back home. A taboo-free world, where he himself could put into practice his own oedipus complex , be it as a fantasy--the picture & video would do as props. A little incest never really hurt anybody--was that not take when he was with his `no morality is the best morality` crowd.
It was late late at night & he was fantacising he favourite oedipus complex, picture in hand..when,
He was rudely brought back to the real world by another psychiatrist--his live-in hom-o-bi-multitasker.
*``The toddler won`t sleep``--the live-in mentioned about the 3 yr old they had adopted.
and why not?
* he is bawling out, that he must take a look at the big worm he spotted in the garden yesterday.
.........but it is 3 am, bitterly cold & totally dark near the ravine
* Yaa Yaa but remember we agreed on the theory that childhood trauma is bad for the sub-cons..; that ``every thing goes`` shall be our faith, credo if you may. you even wrote a book after you abandoned religion
.........O.k don`t rub it in now. Lets grab him & be done with it
So , flashlights in each hand, shivering even in their down-jackets & gowns, teeth chattering, they finally, after 2 hours of misery managed to locate the worm.
The kid asked them to take the worm inside. They complied--it was a matter of subconscious.
Huddled together, just as they eagerly went back to their beds, the kid was bawling again.
The kid insisted on getting the worm fried in a pan.
They trudged down the stairs, groggy & frazzled towards the kitchen, all in the interest of serving their adopted creed & breed.
They fried the worm. The toddler was ecstatic. He liked his breastless mom who always prevailed upon his skirt-clad dad.
Here eat it. The kid was told.
The kid cried copious tears: No No No you must eat the half of the worm with me.
to cut a long story short, they complied with all demands, in the service of humanity & no-morality creed, and ate half of the worm.
but the bawling was now such that the neighbors woke up.
The kid was screaming: You`ve eaten my half of the worm``!
The present Dr. Fraud, was Dr. Archie Freud in US, wase Dr. Arshad Fareed in Lahore,
was our own from our pind: the Phheedaa from chuk 420 mauzaa Harrappa.
narrated something like this when he was given his first assignment in animal behaviour class.
He was asked to keep a baby monkey under observation & jot down all the doings & undoings of the baby-monkey. This he had to commence after keeping the monkey in 5 days solitary with nothing except the four walls. Lot of monkey porn posters were displayed & movies run endlessly without disclaimers or ratings.
A peephole was there for the Psychiatrist to record his findings--all in the interest of `` No morality, is the best morality`` creed. His room was adjacent to that of the monkey--and the Psychiat was provided with ample human-porno stuff as well.
After five days when the dr. went to peek through the peep-hole; he was dumbfounded!
There was another eye on the other side! the baby monkey`s eye.
#135 Posted by drsohail on April 20, 2006 10:29:26 am
Re: # 131
Dear Dehliwala...It seems you have two sides to your comments. The funny side that I can
just read and be amused and the serious side that I can react in a serious manner. I agree
with you that Freud was impressed by Greek Philosophy and Literature. His analysis of
human psychology by his understanding of characters presented in Greek Plays....for
example the Oedipus Complex was borrowed from a Greek Play. Freud`s Genius is that he
brought many concepts from literature into human psychology and talked about it in a
scientific way and tried to prove his concepts of Unconscious Mind and Defence Mechanisms
by the detailed studies of his patients and presented to the world. Since the science of
psycholoanalysis was in infancy many of his theories are not accepted today but
still his contributions are valuable. For example anthropologists challenged the universality
of Oedipus Complex. Freud grew up and analyzed WEstern Family system,the nuclear family
system that is why he is challenged by those experts who grew up in Extended family
System and Tribal System where uncles and grandfathers can also be father figures. It is
a big subject but I wanted to answer your serious question. sincerely sohail
Dear Dehliwala...It seems you have two sides to your comments. The funny side that I can
just read and be amused and the serious side that I can react in a serious manner. I agree
with you that Freud was impressed by Greek Philosophy and Literature. His analysis of
human psychology by his understanding of characters presented in Greek Plays....for
example the Oedipus Complex was borrowed from a Greek Play. Freud`s Genius is that he
brought many concepts from literature into human psychology and talked about it in a
scientific way and tried to prove his concepts of Unconscious Mind and Defence Mechanisms
by the detailed studies of his patients and presented to the world. Since the science of
psycholoanalysis was in infancy many of his theories are not accepted today but
still his contributions are valuable. For example anthropologists challenged the universality
of Oedipus Complex. Freud grew up and analyzed WEstern Family system,the nuclear family
system that is why he is challenged by those experts who grew up in Extended family
System and Tribal System where uncles and grandfathers can also be father figures. It is
a big subject but I wanted to answer your serious question. sincerely sohail
#134 Posted by khamkhwa. on April 20, 2006 10:22:21 am
Re: # 99
purdah! kaisa purdah...dilli ka purdah tou bahut pehle khul gaya tha bhatti sahib...tuannu aje kujh nazar nain aaya ...;)
purdah! kaisa purdah...dilli ka purdah tou bahut pehle khul gaya tha bhatti sahib...tuannu aje kujh nazar nain aaya ...;)
#133 Posted by drsohail on April 20, 2006 10:17:27 am
Re: # 132
Dear Kurrum....you have a valid point. I am glad you picked up on it. I feel in religious
traditional cultures sex is allowed even encouraged within the institution of marriage
but still asked to do it for REPRODUCTIVE reasons. It is the same in Catholicism.
Sex for RECREATIONAL reasons is not encouraged even discouraged. Even mastrubation
is discouraged. SELF PLEASURING is presented as SELF ABUSE. sincerely sohail
Dear Kurrum....you have a valid point. I am glad you picked up on it. I feel in religious
traditional cultures sex is allowed even encouraged within the institution of marriage
but still asked to do it for REPRODUCTIVE reasons. It is the same in Catholicism.
Sex for RECREATIONAL reasons is not encouraged even discouraged. Even mastrubation
is discouraged. SELF PLEASURING is presented as SELF ABUSE. sincerely sohail
#132 Posted by khurram on April 20, 2006 8:31:19 am
Re #78 ``When i read Bahishti Zaiver it
reflected the morality or a religious culture where sex is sin``
drsohail, I think this comment is a little unfair. In traditional cultures only sex outside of marriage is a sin. Enjoyment of sex within marriage is encouraged.
reflected the morality or a religious culture where sex is sin``
drsohail, I think this comment is a little unfair. In traditional cultures only sex outside of marriage is a sin. Enjoyment of sex within marriage is encouraged.
#131 Posted by delhiwala on April 20, 2006 8:11:57 am
Drsohail,
Now I can rest knowing that you are a real doctor.
You must understand that this is Chowk and out of the blues shows up on FP as SEX-Doctor.
That should alarm any Chowkie. That is why I was very sceptical.
Now, let us talk real business, if I may.
It is widely believed that Sigmund Freud borrowed his thesis or some ideas from Aristotle and ancient Greeks, speaking of which Alexander and his Love affair with his Young mother comes to mind.
In your professional opinion, does male Sexuality takes its early formulation from their love to the first woman they come close to.
I understand that it is a very taboo subject but Western Scientist, including Freud and his daughter do believe that there is some merrit on this thought.
Now I can rest knowing that you are a real doctor.
You must understand that this is Chowk and out of the blues shows up on FP as SEX-Doctor.
That should alarm any Chowkie. That is why I was very sceptical.
Now, let us talk real business, if I may.
It is widely believed that Sigmund Freud borrowed his thesis or some ideas from Aristotle and ancient Greeks, speaking of which Alexander and his Love affair with his Young mother comes to mind.
In your professional opinion, does male Sexuality takes its early formulation from their love to the first woman they come close to.
I understand that it is a very taboo subject but Western Scientist, including Freud and his daughter do believe that there is some merrit on this thought.
#130 Posted by delhiwala on April 20, 2006 8:09:59 am
Re: # 126
Ek mere walo vi paish e khidmat hai.
Mat pee sharab galib masjid vich baithkar
Eyk hi botal hai, kithey khuda na mang ley
Ek mere walo vi paish e khidmat hai.
Mat pee sharab galib masjid vich baithkar
Eyk hi botal hai, kithey khuda na mang ley
#129 Posted by nasah on April 20, 2006 7:48:38 am
HP sahib mulaheza ho Akber Allahbadi in 21st century.....
purday meiN kul jo aieeN nazar chand beebiyaaN
Akbar zameen pe zillat-e qaumi say guR geya
poochaa kay kub se aankh pe purda yeh pur geya
boleeN kay jub say aql pe murdoN kay puR geya
...........:)
purday meiN kul jo aieeN nazar chand beebiyaaN
Akbar zameen pe zillat-e qaumi say guR geya
poochaa kay kub se aankh pe purda yeh pur geya
boleeN kay jub say aql pe murdoN kay puR geya
...........:)
#128 Posted by echoboom on April 20, 2006 7:39:34 am
#125--Freethinker and #126--Sohail
ijazat?
with `tassaruf`:
hUmaari tumHaree kharabee hai yaaro
na tum daikhtai ho, na hUm daikhtay haiN
;)
ijazat?
with `tassaruf`:
hUmaari tumHaree kharabee hai yaaro
na tum daikhtai ho, na hUm daikhtay haiN
;)
#127 Posted by nasah on April 20, 2006 7:36:25 am
Dr Sohail sahib hope you will forgive Chowk for its `Larakpun` side and continue to contribute.
badal kar faqeeron ka hum bhais ghalib
tamasha-e-ehl-e-karam dekhtay hain
true.....count me in.....
regards
badal kar faqeeron ka hum bhais ghalib
tamasha-e-ehl-e-karam dekhtay hain
true.....count me in.....
regards
#126 Posted by drsohail on April 20, 2006 7:24:22 am
Re: # 125
Dear Mohammad Gill...that verse of Ghalib is one of my favourite as a poet, as a
psychotherapist as well as a humanist. As a poet it provokes the reader`s imagination to
participate in the creative process. As a psychotherapist it reflects the cycle of violence.
One throws a rock of criticism (I see spouses blaming each other all the time in my office)
and then the other spouse attcks back with an insulting remark and war of words start
and words become knives and swords and bullets. If words could talk they would protest
not to be abused. As a humanist I feel nations whether India and Pakistan, USA and USSR
had joined cycle of violence. Ghalib`s couplet even captures the psychology of pre-emptive
was that Bush has started not realizing that children and grandchildren of Iraqis will come
back to strike. That is my interpretation of Ghalib`s sheyr. I believe Ghalib should be taught
not only in literature classes but also in human psychology classes. I always believed poets
and philosophers had more insights in human psychology than many of my colleagues
who had degrees and bookish knowledge but not much
insights. For me knowledge is the first step and wisdom the last step of learning. Ghalib
was a wise old man like Sheikh Saadi, Kabir Das and Walt Whitman, some of my favourite
teachers. I realize I got carried away but when one comes to Ghalib`s poetry one gets
passionate and carried away. affectionately sohail
Dear Mohammad Gill...that verse of Ghalib is one of my favourite as a poet, as a
psychotherapist as well as a humanist. As a poet it provokes the reader`s imagination to
participate in the creative process. As a psychotherapist it reflects the cycle of violence.
One throws a rock of criticism (I see spouses blaming each other all the time in my office)
and then the other spouse attcks back with an insulting remark and war of words start
and words become knives and swords and bullets. If words could talk they would protest
not to be abused. As a humanist I feel nations whether India and Pakistan, USA and USSR
had joined cycle of violence. Ghalib`s couplet even captures the psychology of pre-emptive
was that Bush has started not realizing that children and grandchildren of Iraqis will come
back to strike. That is my interpretation of Ghalib`s sheyr. I believe Ghalib should be taught
not only in literature classes but also in human psychology classes. I always believed poets
and philosophers had more insights in human psychology than many of my colleagues
who had degrees and bookish knowledge but not much
insights. For me knowledge is the first step and wisdom the last step of learning. Ghalib
was a wise old man like Sheikh Saadi, Kabir Das and Walt Whitman, some of my favourite
teachers. I realize I got carried away but when one comes to Ghalib`s poetry one gets
passionate and carried away. affectionately sohail
#125 Posted by freethinker on April 20, 2006 7:03:11 am
DR. Sohail:
Your quotation of Ghalib`s verse:
badal kar faqeeron ka hum bhais ghalib
tamasha-e-ehl-e-karam dekhtay hain
is very appropriate here in the context of the ongoing discussion of your article.
About the second verse, I want to share an innocent anecdote. I have a friend and colleague (a Ph.D. in Fluid Mechanics and fond of Ghalib although he has difficulty in understanding much of his poetry) who asked me the meaning of Ghalib`s verse:
main nay majnoon pay larakpan main asad
sang uthaya tha ke sar yaad aya
I said it means what it says. He thought the verse was very subtle like most of Ghalib`s other verses; it had some other meanings. This morning I was reading your ``Gustakh-i-Yusufi aur Pehla Pathar`` in which you quoted this verse. I had just finished sending your quotation to my friend when I saw it again here in your interact #123. Wishing you well,
Mohammad Gill
Your quotation of Ghalib`s verse:
badal kar faqeeron ka hum bhais ghalib
tamasha-e-ehl-e-karam dekhtay hain
is very appropriate here in the context of the ongoing discussion of your article.
About the second verse, I want to share an innocent anecdote. I have a friend and colleague (a Ph.D. in Fluid Mechanics and fond of Ghalib although he has difficulty in understanding much of his poetry) who asked me the meaning of Ghalib`s verse:
main nay majnoon pay larakpan main asad
sang uthaya tha ke sar yaad aya
I said it means what it says. He thought the verse was very subtle like most of Ghalib`s other verses; it had some other meanings. This morning I was reading your ``Gustakh-i-Yusufi aur Pehla Pathar`` in which you quoted this verse. I had just finished sending your quotation to my friend when I saw it again here in your interact #123. Wishing you well,
Mohammad Gill
#123 Posted by drsohail on April 20, 2006 5:49:34 am
Re: # 115
Dear Nasah....your email reminded me of two of Ghalib`s verses. The first one reflecting
rebellious young man...asad... and the second the wise old man...ghalib. Since there are
many Ghalib`s admirers on chowk including mohammad gill they might enjoy his wisdom
and insights in human psychology
first sheyr
main nay majnoon pay larakpan main asad
sang uthaya tha ke sar yaad aya
the second sheyr
badal kar faqeeron ka hum bhais ghalib
tamasha-e-ehl-e-karam dekhtay hain
sincerely sohail
Dear Nasah....your email reminded me of two of Ghalib`s verses. The first one reflecting
rebellious young man...asad... and the second the wise old man...ghalib. Since there are
many Ghalib`s admirers on chowk including mohammad gill they might enjoy his wisdom
and insights in human psychology
first sheyr
main nay majnoon pay larakpan main asad
sang uthaya tha ke sar yaad aya
the second sheyr
badal kar faqeeron ka hum bhais ghalib
tamasha-e-ehl-e-karam dekhtay hain
sincerely sohail
#122 Posted by goonga on April 20, 2006 1:27:49 am
Order/layout change nahin houta tou na sahi mera ik sawal hi sun lain.
My question is that i used to fantasize about a girl i knew in school but with time there were a lot of changes, i should not be fansaize about her any more as besides other factors, my mind also changed about her and actually i did not in that way. But still sometimes when i think about past it reminds my fantasy and still it goes on...though its not same.
Am i in trouble?
kaheen ghar wali ko pata chal gaya tou???khekhekhe masla ho jaey ga paa-g.
My question is that i used to fantasize about a girl i knew in school but with time there were a lot of changes, i should not be fansaize about her any more as besides other factors, my mind also changed about her and actually i did not in that way. But still sometimes when i think about past it reminds my fantasy and still it goes on...though its not same.
Am i in trouble?
kaheen ghar wali ko pata chal gaya tou???khekhekhe masla ho jaey ga paa-g.
#121 Posted by echoboom on April 19, 2006 11:40:23 pm
HP sahib--119 & Nasah sahib--120: The heavy weight-lifters.
It is thus:
BAY parda kul jo aaieeN nazar CHUND beebiyaaN
Akbar zameeN main GHAIRAT-e quaumi say guR geya
Poochhaa jo uun sey: purdah tumhara voh kya huaa?
kenay lageeN kay aql pay mrdoan kee pUrR Gayaa.
It is thus:
BAY parda kul jo aaieeN nazar CHUND beebiyaaN
Akbar zameeN main GHAIRAT-e quaumi say guR geya
Poochhaa jo uun sey: purdah tumhara voh kya huaa?
kenay lageeN kay aql pay mrdoan kee pUrR Gayaa.
#120 Posted by HP on April 19, 2006 10:21:57 pm
#119 by nasah
Nasah sahib of all people…
``purde meiN kul jo aaieeN nazar chand beebiyaaN -- Akbar zameeN pe Zillat-e Qaumi say guR geya``.....:)
Alqat…
``BAY parda kul jo aaieeN nazar KUTCH beebiyaaN –
Akbar zameeN main GHAIRAT-e quami say guR geya``.....
:)
Nasah sahib of all people…
``purde meiN kul jo aaieeN nazar chand beebiyaaN -- Akbar zameeN pe Zillat-e Qaumi say guR geya``.....:)
Alqat…
``BAY parda kul jo aaieeN nazar KUTCH beebiyaaN –
Akbar zameeN main GHAIRAT-e quami say guR geya``.....
:)
#119 Posted by nasah on April 19, 2006 9:53:42 pm
ecco sahib -- how about the `weight` of this one....:)
``purde meiN kul jo aaieeN nazar chand beebiyaaN -- Akbar zameeN pe Zillat-e Qaumi say guR geya``.....:)
``purde meiN kul jo aaieeN nazar chand beebiyaaN -- Akbar zameeN pe Zillat-e Qaumi say guR geya``.....:)
#118 Posted by Zeena on April 19, 2006 9:36:08 pm
nasah #115
hahahahahah, huns huns kaiy pait main dard hu giaa haiy.....
Dr. Sohail listen to nasah sahib, don`t get discouraged.
Yeh tu shareer larkay hain inn kii baatun pir dihaan mut dejiay gaaa......aap aapnaa niaa article juldii publish kirvanay kii kushash kiray gaa.
I will wait for your next EXCELLENT article impatiently.
regards
Zeena
hahahahahah, huns huns kaiy pait main dard hu giaa haiy.....
Dr. Sohail listen to nasah sahib, don`t get discouraged.
Yeh tu shareer larkay hain inn kii baatun pir dihaan mut dejiay gaaa......aap aapnaa niaa article juldii publish kirvanay kii kushash kiray gaa.
I will wait for your next EXCELLENT article impatiently.
regards
Zeena
#116 Posted by echoboom on April 19, 2006 8:51:08 pm
nasah:115
leg-break of akbar allahbadi will not walk!
Boot Dawson ney banayaa meiN ney ik mazmooN likhaa
Shehr meiN mazmooN na phailaa, aur jootaa chUl gayaa.
You , of all people , should be the weight-watcher here.
leg-break of akbar allahbadi will not walk!
Boot Dawson ney banayaa meiN ney ik mazmooN likhaa
Shehr meiN mazmooN na phailaa, aur jootaa chUl gayaa.
You , of all people , should be the weight-watcher here.
#115 Posted by nasah on April 19, 2006 8:22:19 pm
as Ghalib would fantasize -- ``baithaiN raheN tassawur-e janaN kiye huway`` -- the problem is if one could find -- ``fursat kay raat din`` --
Dr. Sohail sahib -- very interesting clinical piece -- very informative --
on chowk the kind of interaction I see to your serious educative mazmoon/article -- reminds me of Akbar Allahabadi`s ``mazmoon`` couplet:
``Boot Dawson nay banaya meiN nay ek mazmooN likha -- meraa mazmoon ruh geya hur turf joota chul geya`` --
please don`t get discouraged......
Dr. Sohail sahib -- very interesting clinical piece -- very informative --
on chowk the kind of interaction I see to your serious educative mazmoon/article -- reminds me of Akbar Allahabadi`s ``mazmoon`` couplet:
``Boot Dawson nay banaya meiN nay ek mazmooN likha -- meraa mazmoon ruh geya hur turf joota chul geya`` --
please don`t get discouraged......
#114 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 2:25:56 pm
Re: # 98
Dr sohail,
It seems that you are also evading my questions?
why could`nt a person of your calibre handle my jestful questions?
Is incest part of your theory or not?
Dr sohail,
It seems that you are also evading my questions?
why could`nt a person of your calibre handle my jestful questions?
Is incest part of your theory or not?
#113 Posted by Saminasha on April 19, 2006 1:36:35 pm
Re: # 112
``on his case``? what does that mean?
``on his case``? what does that mean?
#112 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 1:25:51 pm
Re: # 110
FYI,
Iqbal`s Grand Father was a Hindu (Sapru lastname), he became a Musalman because the Muslim money lender was on his case and only alternative given by Nawab was to convert to Islam.
This is a true story. I am dead serious about it. I heard it from many Kohallians.
FYI,
Iqbal`s Grand Father was a Hindu (Sapru lastname), he became a Musalman because the Muslim money lender was on his case and only alternative given by Nawab was to convert to Islam.
This is a true story. I am dead serious about it. I heard it from many Kohallians.
#111 Posted by Saminasha on April 19, 2006 12:43:13 pm
Re: # 110
wow...my range of interests seem to be growing....
re: 109
arent posts 100-3 enough for you?
wow...my range of interests seem to be growing....
re: 109
arent posts 100-3 enough for you?
#110 Posted by Saminasha on April 19, 2006 12:41:49 pm
Re: # 172: I will reply to my own question by the following quote from a Lahori:
``Dr. Muhammad Iqbal`s Statement re the Qadianis:
by Maulana Muhammad Ali
[Dr. Sir Muhammad Iqbal, who was once a great admirer of the Ahmadiyyah Movement, issued in 1936 a long statement re the Qadianis. It was motivated mainly by political reasons and the views of the extremist Qadiani section were made the basis of this statement. Maulana Muhammad `Ali replied to it and explained the Lahore Ahmadiyyah standpoint and threw light on the correct beliefs and mission of the Founder of the Ahmadiyyah Movement in Islam The reply first appeared in the weekly Light, Lahore, and later in the form of a booklet entitled Dr Sir Muhammad Iqbal`s Statement re the Qadianis. Another detailed commentary was made in Urdu by Syed Akhtar Husain Gilani entitled `Allama Iqbal aur Tahrik-i Ahmadiiyat. -- Editor]
My conclusion from this is that in order to serve the dominant group of Muslim League headed for the division of India, Iqbal abandoned the Ahmadiyyas to whom his father once belonged.
This is the end of my interest in Iqbal`s politics.
``Dr. Muhammad Iqbal`s Statement re the Qadianis:
by Maulana Muhammad Ali
[Dr. Sir Muhammad Iqbal, who was once a great admirer of the Ahmadiyyah Movement, issued in 1936 a long statement re the Qadianis. It was motivated mainly by political reasons and the views of the extremist Qadiani section were made the basis of this statement. Maulana Muhammad `Ali replied to it and explained the Lahore Ahmadiyyah standpoint and threw light on the correct beliefs and mission of the Founder of the Ahmadiyyah Movement in Islam The reply first appeared in the weekly Light, Lahore, and later in the form of a booklet entitled Dr Sir Muhammad Iqbal`s Statement re the Qadianis. Another detailed commentary was made in Urdu by Syed Akhtar Husain Gilani entitled `Allama Iqbal aur Tahrik-i Ahmadiiyat. -- Editor]
My conclusion from this is that in order to serve the dominant group of Muslim League headed for the division of India, Iqbal abandoned the Ahmadiyyas to whom his father once belonged.
This is the end of my interest in Iqbal`s politics.
#109 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 12:36:49 pm
Re: # 98
why r my questions being erased?
i did not say anything bad to anyone?????
why r my questions being erased?
i did not say anything bad to anyone?????
#109 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 12:36:52 pm
Re: # 98
why r my questions being erased?
i did not say anything bad to anyone?????
why r my questions being erased?
i did not say anything bad to anyone?????
#108 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 12:00:35 pm
why are my thread gyaib?
I did not say any bad words here?
Just some jestful jokes.......o)
I did not say any bad words here?
Just some jestful jokes.......o)
#107 Posted by sattar2 on April 19, 2006 11:59:02 am
Urstruly,
You may cut out the philosophical ramblings ... and get to Bukhari/Muslim ahadith you are itching to quote ... while citing the Ijmah (or is it Qiyas?) among unwashed, goat-screwing ullema of our times.
As expected, yours is an ideological angle. And your solution will turn out to be forceful implementation of shariah to deal with the issue at hand. Of course all this will be based on works of Hadrat Abu Ala Maudoodi, rahmat-ullah aliyah, or some other third-rate imam ... who has written volumes of books telling believing women how to take care of their yoni for the pleasure of their husbands, so as to be guaranteed a place in jannah among the faithful …
#106 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 11:20:16 am
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#105 Posted by Zeena on April 19, 2006 11:10:57 am
sorry for typo in #104
correction,{{we need sexual fantasies to identify our sexuality}}}
correction,{{we need sexual fantasies to identify our sexuality}}}
#104 Posted by Zeena on April 19, 2006 11:09:03 am
Dr.Sohail
This is the whole extract of my discussion about your article, which you wrote in hurry.
Your whole point is, {{{we need sexual fantasies to identity our sexuality}}}
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...............
I say,{{We do not need sexual fantasies for sexual identity}}
You can have sexual fantasies ,but having sex with some one based on fantasies is absolutely not a criterion for sexual identity.Sexuality is a solid identity which doesn`t need fantasy roofing...................
#92
echoboom jii
Thanks,but No thanks.....hahahaha
{{{So, you don`t need fantasies to identify your sexual identity. }}}
This is the whole extract of my discussion about your article, which you wrote in hurry.
Your whole point is, {{{we need sexual fantasies to identity our sexuality}}}
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...............
I say,{{We do not need sexual fantasies for sexual identity}}
You can have sexual fantasies ,but having sex with some one based on fantasies is absolutely not a criterion for sexual identity.Sexuality is a solid identity which doesn`t need fantasy roofing...................
#92
echoboom jii
Thanks,but No thanks.....hahahaha
{{{So, you don`t need fantasies to identify your sexual identity. }}}
#103 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 11:04:41 am
Drsohail,
Now I can rest knowing that you are a real doctor.
You must understand that this is Chowk and out of the blues shows up on FP as SEX-Doctor.
That should alarm any Chowkie. That is why I was very sceptical.
Now, let us talk real business, if I may.
It is widely believed that Sigmund Freud borrowed his thesis or some ideas from Aristotle and ancient Greeks, speaking of which Alexander and his Love affair with his Young mother comes to mind.
In your professional opinion, does male Sexuality takes its early formulation from their love to the first woman they come close to.
I understand that it is a very taboo subject but Western Scientist, including Freud and his daughter do believe that there is some merrit on this thought.
Now I can rest knowing that you are a real doctor.
You must understand that this is Chowk and out of the blues shows up on FP as SEX-Doctor.
That should alarm any Chowkie. That is why I was very sceptical.
Now, let us talk real business, if I may.
It is widely believed that Sigmund Freud borrowed his thesis or some ideas from Aristotle and ancient Greeks, speaking of which Alexander and his Love affair with his Young mother comes to mind.
In your professional opinion, does male Sexuality takes its early formulation from their love to the first woman they come close to.
I understand that it is a very taboo subject but Western Scientist, including Freud and his daughter do believe that there is some merrit on this thought.
#102 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 10:59:58 am
Re: # 64
Drsohail,
Now I can rest knowing that you are a real doctor.
You must understand that this is Chowk and out of the blues shows up on FP as SEX-Doctor.
That should alarm any Chowkie. That is why I was very sceptical.
Now, let us talk real business, if I may.
It is widely believed that Sigmund Freud borrowed his thesis or some ideas from Aristotle and ancient Greeks, speaking of which Alexander and his Love affair with his Young mother comes to mind.
In your professional opinion, does male Sexuality takes its early formulation from their love to the first woman they come close to.
I understand that it is a very taboo subject but Western Scientist, including Freud and his daughter do believe that there is some merrit on this thought.
Drsohail,
Now I can rest knowing that you are a real doctor.
You must understand that this is Chowk and out of the blues shows up on FP as SEX-Doctor.
That should alarm any Chowkie. That is why I was very sceptical.
Now, let us talk real business, if I may.
It is widely believed that Sigmund Freud borrowed his thesis or some ideas from Aristotle and ancient Greeks, speaking of which Alexander and his Love affair with his Young mother comes to mind.
In your professional opinion, does male Sexuality takes its early formulation from their love to the first woman they come close to.
I understand that it is a very taboo subject but Western Scientist, including Freud and his daughter do believe that there is some merrit on this thought.
#101 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 10:59:53 am
Re: # 64
Drsohail,
Now I can rest knowing that you are a real doctor.
You must understand that this is Chowk and out of the blues shows up on FP as SEX-Doctor.
That should alarm any Chowkie. That is why I was very sceptical.
Now, let us talk real business, if I may.
It is widely believed that Sigmund Freud borrowed his thesis or some ideas from Aristotle and ancient Greeks, speaking of which Alexander and his Love affair with his Young mother comes to mind.
In your professional opinion, does male Sexuality takes its early formulation from their love to the first woman they come close to.
I understand that it is a very taboo subject but Western Scientist, including Freud and his daughter do believe that there is some merrit on this thought.
Drsohail,
Now I can rest knowing that you are a real doctor.
You must understand that this is Chowk and out of the blues shows up on FP as SEX-Doctor.
That should alarm any Chowkie. That is why I was very sceptical.
Now, let us talk real business, if I may.
It is widely believed that Sigmund Freud borrowed his thesis or some ideas from Aristotle and ancient Greeks, speaking of which Alexander and his Love affair with his Young mother comes to mind.
In your professional opinion, does male Sexuality takes its early formulation from their love to the first woman they come close to.
I understand that it is a very taboo subject but Western Scientist, including Freud and his daughter do believe that there is some merrit on this thought.
#100 Posted by Zeena on April 19, 2006 10:49:50 am
#97
Dr. Sohail
With all due respect I did not mean to up set you. You have been very kind to respond in a timely manner with decency of your personality. I am absolutely not offended.
I am just pointing out the flaws in your article in a highly POSITIVE CRITICISM. It looks like you do not like MY POSITIVE CRITICISM. OK, you are the boss, I will just sit back and relax.
Happy.
Hullo, hullo I apologize if you got up set for my ACADEMIC discussions totally based on your profession and this article.
Dr.Sahib
When you have the courage to write this article and publish on chowk, you must have the courage to take the heat of a positive criticism with open heart and mind. If, you get offened so, easily just by mere criticism, wonder how you take the heat by psych patients? Psych patients are a real challenge for your patience. But, I am seeing opposite here.
Thank you for your response.
Sincerely
Zeena
Dr. Sohail
With all due respect I did not mean to up set you. You have been very kind to respond in a timely manner with decency of your personality. I am absolutely not offended.
I am just pointing out the flaws in your article in a highly POSITIVE CRITICISM. It looks like you do not like MY POSITIVE CRITICISM. OK, you are the boss, I will just sit back and relax.
Happy.
Hullo, hullo I apologize if you got up set for my ACADEMIC discussions totally based on your profession and this article.
Dr.Sahib
When you have the courage to write this article and publish on chowk, you must have the courage to take the heat of a positive criticism with open heart and mind. If, you get offened so, easily just by mere criticism, wonder how you take the heat by psych patients? Psych patients are a real challenge for your patience. But, I am seeing opposite here.
Thank you for your response.
Sincerely
Zeena
#99 Posted by dullabhatti on April 19, 2006 10:44:53 am
#86 arey Ulloo..... Urstruly and Gill sahib are two different people....with two diametrically opposite views on somethings....and you have nto figured that out yet after being on chowk for 2 years..sharma naal dubb mar.
Khamkhwa and Dr sahiba re both from GTA but not the same person. so stop speculating when you obviously look disoriented in your specualtions.:)
on a serious note, why are some people so offended by the article? it almost feels like doctor has said few things in general which might apply to certain posters in particular and they are taking it so personally.:) bhaiyeO kisi di gall nai ho rahi...tuhade paRday dhakke hoye ne...don`t worry.
Khamkhwa and Dr sahiba re both from GTA but not the same person. so stop speculating when you obviously look disoriented in your specualtions.:)
on a serious note, why are some people so offended by the article? it almost feels like doctor has said few things in general which might apply to certain posters in particular and they are taking it so personally.:) bhaiyeO kisi di gall nai ho rahi...tuhade paRday dhakke hoye ne...don`t worry.
#98 Posted by drsohail on April 19, 2006 10:42:14 am
Re: # 94
Dear Saminasha...as I mentioned before I am new on chowk and not familiar with
the dynamics. Sometimes if I feel I do not know the whole situation or do not have
anything meaningful to say, I stay quiet. Please do not take it personally.
sincerely sohail
Dear Saminasha...as I mentioned before I am new on chowk and not familiar with
the dynamics. Sometimes if I feel I do not know the whole situation or do not have
anything meaningful to say, I stay quiet. Please do not take it personally.
sincerely sohail
#97 Posted by drsohail on April 19, 2006 10:34:53 am
Re: # 90
Dear Zeena....My first response was to not respond. But then I decided to respond to your
letter as a token of respect as you have put so much time and energy to write a long letter.
It appears to me as if my article and my letter has offended you which was not my
intention. I tried to share that our similarities are more than our differences but you chose
to focus on the differences. I have no intention to convince you or convert you to my
philosophy. If you are happy with your point of view and it works for you that is great. My
philosophy works for me. I am just sharing my views. You have every right to disgree.
Since I do not know you I do not want to upset and offend you anymore so I will not be
responding to your future letters. Other readers are free to read or not read what I write.
They are also free to agree or disagree. My intention is sharing not convincing or
converting. Wish you all the best. sincerely sohail
Dear Zeena....My first response was to not respond. But then I decided to respond to your
letter as a token of respect as you have put so much time and energy to write a long letter.
It appears to me as if my article and my letter has offended you which was not my
intention. I tried to share that our similarities are more than our differences but you chose
to focus on the differences. I have no intention to convince you or convert you to my
philosophy. If you are happy with your point of view and it works for you that is great. My
philosophy works for me. I am just sharing my views. You have every right to disgree.
Since I do not know you I do not want to upset and offend you anymore so I will not be
responding to your future letters. Other readers are free to read or not read what I write.
They are also free to agree or disagree. My intention is sharing not convincing or
converting. Wish you all the best. sincerely sohail
#96 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 10:28:06 am
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#95 Posted by Saminasha on April 19, 2006 9:56:21 am
Re: # 92
here we go...another ``partial``/palatial sufi....(rolling eyes)
here we go...another ``partial``/palatial sufi....(rolling eyes)
#94 Posted by Saminasha on April 19, 2006 9:54:24 am
Dr. Sohail,
It seems you are evading my questions, Why?
It seems you are evading my questions, Why?
#93 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 9:53:18 am
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#92 Posted by echoboom on April 19, 2006 9:36:55 am
Zeena:
Your knowledgeable & incisive posts are a charm. Keep `em comin`.
``when in a blind alley: be polite; recite humanism``--Credo of the ayyar dervaish.
Ilahi tery yeh sadaa dil bunday kidhar jaaeN.
Your knowledgeable & incisive posts are a charm. Keep `em comin`.
``when in a blind alley: be polite; recite humanism``--Credo of the ayyar dervaish.
Ilahi tery yeh sadaa dil bunday kidhar jaaeN.
#91 Posted by drsohail on April 19, 2006 9:18:42 am
Re: # 67
Dear Khamkhwa...I am amused by your pen name khamakhwa and your comment.
I do have a busy practice but I love poetry and creative writing and enjoy talking to
creative people. Since I posted an article on chowk I felt it was imporatnt to read the letters
and respectfully respond. I am doing my homework as I would like to have fruitful
discussions in the future. I think since you people know each other you have developed
a sense of humour. I am just getting used to it. sincerely sohail
Dear Khamkhwa...I am amused by your pen name khamakhwa and your comment.
I do have a busy practice but I love poetry and creative writing and enjoy talking to
creative people. Since I posted an article on chowk I felt it was imporatnt to read the letters
and respectfully respond. I am doing my homework as I would like to have fruitful
discussions in the future. I think since you people know each other you have developed
a sense of humour. I am just getting used to it. sincerely sohail
#90 Posted by Zeena on April 19, 2006 9:09:44 am
#76
Dr. Sohail
1:-You sadi,[[[Homosexuality was not socially accepted in society so it was part
of classification but when there was moral and political pressure it was removed.}}
Here you go again, confusing my concept . Homosexuality was always in society since Adam was born. And, yes it was always accepted as well. Some insane people marked it under this DSM-I classification(which was absurd and prejudiceed thing to do)
It was absolutely not moral or political pressure, it was more awareness of homosexuality with the latest research on hormones, brain anatomy, physiology and much much more, which was the basis of the removal of it from DSM and ICD classifications. Please, correct your info. Thanks
2:-You said,[[[ Psychiatric diagnosis is not like medical diagnosis...diabetes...bronchopheumonia....it is far more
vulnerable to social and political pressures of the profession as well as society. But that is
another topic for some other time.}}}
No, absolutely NOT. your approach is not like a psychiatrist, your approach is more of a psychologist. There is a huge difference between two of them and you know it very well , what is the difference?
Diabetes, bronchopneumonia etc etc and diagnosing schizophrenia come under same umbrella of medical ethics. Again, psychiatric diagnosis does not change with time, only their DSM and ICD get revised, diagnosis remains the same with minor addition of deletion of information based on research.
Psychiatric diagnosis is the treatment to release social and political pressure in the society to make society healhtier. You are contruding the whole concept. Sorry.
3:- you said,[[[In this article I was just focusing on the behaviour that is socially accepted and the fantasy at reflects the personal thoughts...social / emotional behaviour of a person and the differences.}}}
No, your article is just a confusion of some confused concept. Please clarify your concept first and then discuss with other interactors on chowk. Before submitting next article, my suggestion for you is to , please help people , don`t confuse them. Thank you
#5:-You said,{{{ I did not want to get into academic and psychiatric discussions.}}
hahahahaha, this is joke of the century. I am laughing out loud , rolling opver the floor, gosh, you are so, very funny, Dr. hahahahaha, ouch................
So, if you do not want to discuss psychiatry based on your academic knowledge here on chowk, then why you submitted this article?
So, your article is not about psych discussions, hammmm there is something nOT right here. Then what is it?
Dr. Sohail
Let me remind you again, wake up, hullo, hullo.....This article at hand is about psychaitric and academic discussions , how to solve psyh issues?
Chowkies are very smart interactors Dr.Sohail..............Let me give a piece of little advise , if you try to submit psych article next time, please, up date your own concept first and then invite us for discussions.
PS-This forum(Fornt Page) is solely meant for discussions based on the articles info. Thank you, gosh, patta nain ......................
Dr. Sohail
1:-You sadi,[[[Homosexuality was not socially accepted in society so it was part
of classification but when there was moral and political pressure it was removed.}}
Here you go again, confusing my concept . Homosexuality was always in society since Adam was born. And, yes it was always accepted as well. Some insane people marked it under this DSM-I classification(which was absurd and prejudiceed thing to do)
It was absolutely not moral or political pressure, it was more awareness of homosexuality with the latest research on hormones, brain anatomy, physiology and much much more, which was the basis of the removal of it from DSM and ICD classifications. Please, correct your info. Thanks
2:-You said,[[[ Psychiatric diagnosis is not like medical diagnosis...diabetes...bronchopheumonia....it is far more
vulnerable to social and political pressures of the profession as well as society. But that is
another topic for some other time.}}}
No, absolutely NOT. your approach is not like a psychiatrist, your approach is more of a psychologist. There is a huge difference between two of them and you know it very well , what is the difference?
Diabetes, bronchopneumonia etc etc and diagnosing schizophrenia come under same umbrella of medical ethics. Again, psychiatric diagnosis does not change with time, only their DSM and ICD get revised, diagnosis remains the same with minor addition of deletion of information based on research.
Psychiatric diagnosis is the treatment to release social and political pressure in the society to make society healhtier. You are contruding the whole concept. Sorry.
3:- you said,[[[In this article I was just focusing on the behaviour that is socially accepted and the fantasy at reflects the personal thoughts...social / emotional behaviour of a person and the differences.}}}
No, your article is just a confusion of some confused concept. Please clarify your concept first and then discuss with other interactors on chowk. Before submitting next article, my suggestion for you is to , please help people , don`t confuse them. Thank you
#5:-You said,{{{ I did not want to get into academic and psychiatric discussions.}}
hahahahaha, this is joke of the century. I am laughing out loud , rolling opver the floor, gosh, you are so, very funny, Dr. hahahahaha, ouch................
So, if you do not want to discuss psychiatry based on your academic knowledge here on chowk, then why you submitted this article?
So, your article is not about psych discussions, hammmm there is something nOT right here. Then what is it?
Dr. Sohail
Let me remind you again, wake up, hullo, hullo.....This article at hand is about psychaitric and academic discussions , how to solve psyh issues?
Chowkies are very smart interactors Dr.Sohail..............Let me give a piece of little advise , if you try to submit psych article next time, please, up date your own concept first and then invite us for discussions.
PS-This forum(Fornt Page) is solely meant for discussions based on the articles info. Thank you, gosh, patta nain ......................
#89 Posted by Urstruly on April 19, 2006 9:02:29 am
Re: # 85
Dr. Sahib
I did not intend to steer the discussion towards your own profession and keep the discussion at general level on the issue at hand i.e. sexual fantasies and their effects on human lives.
I have another general question related to my last post.
The science of psychiatry was developed in West, starting with Freud`s psychoanalysis and all. There may have been some work done prior to him but he is considered as the man who started it all. Since then all the major names in this field belong to West.
As a layman I divide psychiatry (as far as treatment goes) in two broad categories:
1. Pathological, surgical, or pharmacological treatment.
2. Psycho-analytical treatment.
To me psycho-analytical treatment is the secular version of a procedure called ``confession`` in Catholicism. The process is similar in both methods. A patient opens up his feelings, intentions, inhibitions and secrets to his priest or a psycho-analyst. The later two analyze the statements of their patient as rationally as possible and advise their patient/confessor a solution to his problems; their suggestion is usually in the form of a recommended action which is intended to make patient make peace with himself. In other words, their recommendations are intended to change the behavioral traits of their patient.
As I said earlier that priest or psycoanalyst analyze the predicament of their patient rationally, but truth of the matter is that such a process of ``rational analysis`` is in fact impossible. For example, a priest would recommend an action that must conform to his moral values; similarly a secular psychoanalyst would recommend an action that conforms to his own moral standard. Let me elaborate this point with an example. Lets assume that I seek Nancy Friday`s opinion on my predicament, that I constantly have sexual fantasies about my sister, Nancy advice would be that ``talk to your sister; open up what is hidden inside you; you will be surprised to find out how mature human beings actually are; once you open up to your sister you would have an honest and mature relationship with her`` (This is actually a response, that I read in one of Nancy`s books). On the other hand if I seek advice on the same issue from the Imam Sahib of my mosque I am pretty sure that he will start his psychoanalysis of me with his 9 number jootaa.
The point is, that since psychiatry has developed in West. Its knowledgebase is comprised of the `experiences` of doctors and patients who reside in West. The people who developed psychiatry are/were overwhelmingly seculars and atheists; so a desi doctor who is trained in this psychiatry, how does he reconcile what is `science` and what is `on the ground`. The question is, is psychiatry universally applicable??
Dr. Sahib
I did not intend to steer the discussion towards your own profession and keep the discussion at general level on the issue at hand i.e. sexual fantasies and their effects on human lives.
I have another general question related to my last post.
The science of psychiatry was developed in West, starting with Freud`s psychoanalysis and all. There may have been some work done prior to him but he is considered as the man who started it all. Since then all the major names in this field belong to West.
As a layman I divide psychiatry (as far as treatment goes) in two broad categories:
1. Pathological, surgical, or pharmacological treatment.
2. Psycho-analytical treatment.
To me psycho-analytical treatment is the secular version of a procedure called ``confession`` in Catholicism. The process is similar in both methods. A patient opens up his feelings, intentions, inhibitions and secrets to his priest or a psycho-analyst. The later two analyze the statements of their patient as rationally as possible and advise their patient/confessor a solution to his problems; their suggestion is usually in the form of a recommended action which is intended to make patient make peace with himself. In other words, their recommendations are intended to change the behavioral traits of their patient.
As I said earlier that priest or psycoanalyst analyze the predicament of their patient rationally, but truth of the matter is that such a process of ``rational analysis`` is in fact impossible. For example, a priest would recommend an action that must conform to his moral values; similarly a secular psychoanalyst would recommend an action that conforms to his own moral standard. Let me elaborate this point with an example. Lets assume that I seek Nancy Friday`s opinion on my predicament, that I constantly have sexual fantasies about my sister, Nancy advice would be that ``talk to your sister; open up what is hidden inside you; you will be surprised to find out how mature human beings actually are; once you open up to your sister you would have an honest and mature relationship with her`` (This is actually a response, that I read in one of Nancy`s books). On the other hand if I seek advice on the same issue from the Imam Sahib of my mosque I am pretty sure that he will start his psychoanalysis of me with his 9 number jootaa.
The point is, that since psychiatry has developed in West. Its knowledgebase is comprised of the `experiences` of doctors and patients who reside in West. The people who developed psychiatry are/were overwhelmingly seculars and atheists; so a desi doctor who is trained in this psychiatry, how does he reconcile what is `science` and what is `on the ground`. The question is, is psychiatry universally applicable??
#88 Posted by drsohail on April 19, 2006 8:57:59 am
Re: # 68
Dear Burpinder....Although you do not like my Green Zone Philosophy yet it is very helpful
for me in my personal and professional life. According to that philosophy a healthy Green
Zone Communication can only take place when both parties are in the Green. If the
relationship is not in the Green then dialogue faces tension and conflicts and problems.
What I am hoping is that we can have a Green Zone dialogue so that i can learn from your
interesting comments and questions. As I said before I am new to chowk. All of you have a
history and you know each other. I am joining the group with great enthusiasm. I am
excited about sharing my ideas and receiving honest feedback. I hope we can create a
genuine dialogue which is mutually respectful and Green Zone. sincerely sohail
Dear Burpinder....Although you do not like my Green Zone Philosophy yet it is very helpful
for me in my personal and professional life. According to that philosophy a healthy Green
Zone Communication can only take place when both parties are in the Green. If the
relationship is not in the Green then dialogue faces tension and conflicts and problems.
What I am hoping is that we can have a Green Zone dialogue so that i can learn from your
interesting comments and questions. As I said before I am new to chowk. All of you have a
history and you know each other. I am joining the group with great enthusiasm. I am
excited about sharing my ideas and receiving honest feedback. I hope we can create a
genuine dialogue which is mutually respectful and Green Zone. sincerely sohail
#87 Posted by Zeena on April 19, 2006 8:42:35 am
Saminasha Jii #75
Psychiatry was always my interest.
Psychiatry was always my interest.
#86 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 8:39:56 am
Re: # 79
Mr Gill, tussey secular kaddon tau ho gye?
You are still questionable in my eyes about you really are.
I have never seen a Gill who is Muslim, either you are faking your lastname or religion.
Mr Gill, tussey secular kaddon tau ho gye?
You are still questionable in my eyes about you really are.
I have never seen a Gill who is Muslim, either you are faking your lastname or religion.
#85 Posted by drsohail on April 19, 2006 8:18:48 am
Re: # 79
Dear Urstruly....As a humanist I agree with you that individually and collectively we need
to respect other human beings. In my life humanism has helped me develop humanistic
philosophy which I shared in my book FROM ISLAM TO SECULAR HUMANISM and practice
humanistic psychotherapy that I practice in my clinic. I feel that patients are human beings
that struggle with emotional problems. They might have a diagnosis of Schizophrenia or
Depression or Persoanality Disorder but they are more than diagnosis. They are friends
and artists and lovers and artists. I feel that i am not treating the illness rather helping
human beings. My practice is more health oriented rather than illness oriented which is the
traditional medical model. I respect my colleagues who practice medical model and focus
on diagnosis but I have my own preferences and we have mutual respect.
For me what meaning people give to their lives is important and need to be respected.
sincerely sohail
Dear Urstruly....As a humanist I agree with you that individually and collectively we need
to respect other human beings. In my life humanism has helped me develop humanistic
philosophy which I shared in my book FROM ISLAM TO SECULAR HUMANISM and practice
humanistic psychotherapy that I practice in my clinic. I feel that patients are human beings
that struggle with emotional problems. They might have a diagnosis of Schizophrenia or
Depression or Persoanality Disorder but they are more than diagnosis. They are friends
and artists and lovers and artists. I feel that i am not treating the illness rather helping
human beings. My practice is more health oriented rather than illness oriented which is the
traditional medical model. I respect my colleagues who practice medical model and focus
on diagnosis but I have my own preferences and we have mutual respect.
For me what meaning people give to their lives is important and need to be respected.
sincerely sohail
#84 Posted by echoboom on April 19, 2006 8:11:49 am
Urstruly:
Meer kyaa sadaa hain, beemaar huay jiss kay sabab
Usee attaar kay launday sey davaa laitay haiN.
Sarkaree kharch pUr, canada meiN, upnee phhantsiaaN sunnanai kaa kiss kau shaque na hogaa. Kyaa tumhharay amreekaa meiN yeh xxx kaam upnay pullay sey paisay dey kr krnaa pRRtaa hai?
kabhhee aye haqiquat-e mun....
Meer kyaa sadaa hain, beemaar huay jiss kay sabab
Usee attaar kay launday sey davaa laitay haiN.
Sarkaree kharch pUr, canada meiN, upnee phhantsiaaN sunnanai kaa kiss kau shaque na hogaa. Kyaa tumhharay amreekaa meiN yeh xxx kaam upnay pullay sey paisay dey kr krnaa pRRtaa hai?
kabhhee aye haqiquat-e mun....
#83 Posted by Urstruly on April 19, 2006 8:02:27 am
Re: # 80 Echo
Go main raha raheen-e-sittam haai roozgar
magar teray khyal se (kabhi?) ghafil nahin raha.
:)
Go main raha raheen-e-sittam haai roozgar
magar teray khyal se (kabhi?) ghafil nahin raha.
:)
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#81 Posted by delhiwala on April 19, 2006 7:57:37 am
Re: # 78
So Dr Sohail SirJee,
Your profession is AL-Hilal or Haraam, as per your Hadiths? Just curious?
BTW, I still find you fascinating and interesting.
So Dr Sohail SirJee,
Your profession is AL-Hilal or Haraam, as per your Hadiths? Just curious?
BTW, I still find you fascinating and interesting.
#80 Posted by echoboom on April 19, 2006 7:50:49 am
Urstruly:
You have one very enthusiastic spectator-fan sitting in the bleachers.
Raudaki, the father of farsi poetry, composed the rubai which had the line`` gingerly, gingerly, all the marbles went into the pit``
P.S: Ghar tUk pohnchaa kar anaa hai.;)
P.S.S: ``mujhh ko bhee poochtay raho, toa kyaa gunaah ho``
You have one very enthusiastic spectator-fan sitting in the bleachers.
Raudaki, the father of farsi poetry, composed the rubai which had the line`` gingerly, gingerly, all the marbles went into the pit``
P.S: Ghar tUk pohnchaa kar anaa hai.;)
P.S.S: ``mujhh ko bhee poochtay raho, toa kyaa gunaah ho``
#79 Posted by Urstruly on April 19, 2006 7:42:10 am
Re: # 78 Dr. Sahib
I am a secular person too; but perhaps I put rationality ahead of my individuality. Let me elaborate this point: If I know that fire burns and hurts and all the physical, practical and rational evidence attest to that then I would rather not put my hand in the fire. This is my individuality as well as rationality. Now if I see someone else puting his hand in fire, should I stop him? Both individuality and rationality fail to answer this question. The only thing that can answer this question would be `humanity` (in me). It took human beings thousands of years to evolve the concepts of humanity from the time the stopped swinging on the trees. So why revert back.
As you suggested in one of your posts below, psychiatry is not a hard science like math or physics; au contrair it is more subjective; as subjective as a human mind can be. So at text book level it makes sense to keep psychiatry as objective as possible, but for practical purposes `soft` concepts like humanity, honesty, mutual respect etc. cannot be done away with. In other words psychology is sterile unless there is a healthy dose of ideology is injected into it from time to time. Your thoughts??
I am a secular person too; but perhaps I put rationality ahead of my individuality. Let me elaborate this point: If I know that fire burns and hurts and all the physical, practical and rational evidence attest to that then I would rather not put my hand in the fire. This is my individuality as well as rationality. Now if I see someone else puting his hand in fire, should I stop him? Both individuality and rationality fail to answer this question. The only thing that can answer this question would be `humanity` (in me). It took human beings thousands of years to evolve the concepts of humanity from the time the stopped swinging on the trees. So why revert back.
As you suggested in one of your posts below, psychiatry is not a hard science like math or physics; au contrair it is more subjective; as subjective as a human mind can be. So at text book level it makes sense to keep psychiatry as objective as possible, but for practical purposes `soft` concepts like humanity, honesty, mutual respect etc. cannot be done away with. In other words psychology is sterile unless there is a healthy dose of ideology is injected into it from time to time. Your thoughts??
#78 Posted by drsohail on April 19, 2006 7:17:46 am
Re: # 77
Dear Urstruly...I am glad that we are engaging in intellectually stimulating dialogue. I thnik
fantasy is intentional and conscious as compared to dream that in unintentional and
unconscious as it happens in sleep. Fantasy is more like an intentional daydreams.
You touched on personal and social morality and ethics. When i read Bahishti Zaiver it
reflected the morality or a religious culture where sex is sin. I am a secular person. I
believe every person has the right to choose his sexual fantasies and behaviour that
he/she finds meaningful and healthy. sincerely sohail
Dear Urstruly...I am glad that we are engaging in intellectually stimulating dialogue. I thnik
fantasy is intentional and conscious as compared to dream that in unintentional and
unconscious as it happens in sleep. Fantasy is more like an intentional daydreams.
You touched on personal and social morality and ethics. When i read Bahishti Zaiver it
reflected the morality or a religious culture where sex is sin. I am a secular person. I
believe every person has the right to choose his sexual fantasies and behaviour that
he/she finds meaningful and healthy. sincerely sohail
#77 Posted by Urstruly on April 19, 2006 6:35:05 am
Dr. sahib, Question:
Sometime ago when I was reading Beheshti Zewar I read the opinion of a scholar on the issue of fantasies- sexual fantasies in particular. He opined on a question asked by a young enquirer, that it is a futile and counterproductive effort to suppress ones fantasies. He further suggested that in order to have `pure thoughts`, it is always best to remain busy physically as well as mentally to ward off ``impure thoughts``. But he further warned that at certain age when hormones rage, most of the thought process is out of control. So he suggested a recipe in the form of a couplet:
Dil main khiyal ka aana bura
ya dil main khiyal ka laana bura.
He elaborated that when a person consciencously conjures up a fantasy then it is not a fantasy, it is an intention. It is a universal truth that intention is the precusor of any action. So if a person fantasises about his neigbor`s wife, his action or move towards her is only pending as long as an opportunity presents itself. Therefore, the process of sexual fantasies should be discouraged and not encouraged because by encouraging it we are establishing the base for a premiscous society, where concepts like honor, mutual respect, and honesty are just the facade.
This makes logical sense, because in a society where sexual fantasies are encouraged there is a greater chance that people will act out on their fantasies rather than suppress them. This is evident, as we make comparison between existing societies where sexual promiscuity is rampant and where it is not.
Your opinion??? fantasy vs. intentions???
#76 Posted by drsohail on April 19, 2006 5:58:40 am
Re: # 73
Dear Zeena...I think we have more agreements than disagreements. Disagreements are
semantic. I fully agree with you that homosexuality is part of human condition and exists
for a long time. What I was trying to suggest was that DSM classification reflectyed the
social and cultural ethics. Homosexuality was not socially accepted in society so it was part
of classification but when there was moral and political pressure it was removed. Psychiatric
diagnosis is not like medical diagnosis...diabetes...bronchopheumonia....it is far more
vulnerable to social and political pressures of the profession as well as society. But that is
another topic for some other time.
I also agree with you that sexual identity is more than just sex. In my book about Gay and
Lesbian people in Urdu...Har Daur Main Masloob....(presented on my website
www.drsohail.com...urdu section) I have discussed....Genetic Sex...Anatomical Sex...
Sexual Identity...Sexual Orientation...Sexual Bahaviour
to highlight the sexual development.
In this article I was just focusing on the behaviour that is socially accepted and the fantasy
that reflects the personal thoughts...social / emotional behaviour of a person and the
differences. Thank you for your detailed comments. I did not want to get into academic
and psychiatric discussions.
sincerely sohail
Dear Zeena...I think we have more agreements than disagreements. Disagreements are
semantic. I fully agree with you that homosexuality is part of human condition and exists
for a long time. What I was trying to suggest was that DSM classification reflectyed the
social and cultural ethics. Homosexuality was not socially accepted in society so it was part
of classification but when there was moral and political pressure it was removed. Psychiatric
diagnosis is not like medical diagnosis...diabetes...bronchopheumonia....it is far more
vulnerable to social and political pressures of the profession as well as society. But that is
another topic for some other time.
I also agree with you that sexual identity is more than just sex. In my book about Gay and
Lesbian people in Urdu...Har Daur Main Masloob....(presented on my website
www.drsohail.com...urdu section) I have discussed....Genetic Sex...Anatomical Sex...
Sexual Identity...Sexual Orientation...Sexual Bahaviour
to highlight the sexual development.
In this article I was just focusing on the behaviour that is socially accepted and the fantasy
that reflects the personal thoughts...social / emotional behaviour of a person and the
differences. Thank you for your detailed comments. I did not want to get into academic
and psychiatric discussions.
sincerely sohail
#75 Posted by Saminasha on April 19, 2006 4:51:58 am
Re: # 74
Zeena,
I did not know you were a psychologist, psychiatrist or even a therapist...
Dr. Sohail,
Can you shed some light on the kind of men who try to embarrass or shame women for their sexuality or sexual agency? What can be done on a community level to help them be less insecure?
Zeena,
I did not know you were a psychologist, psychiatrist or even a therapist...
Dr. Sohail,
Can you shed some light on the kind of men who try to embarrass or shame women for their sexuality or sexual agency? What can be done on a community level to help them be less insecure?
#74 Posted by Zeena on April 18, 2006 11:40:37 pm
37 by Saminasha on April 18, 2006 8:20am PT
Re: # 27
{{zeena, when did you get gaydar? (scolding ikaan)..}}.
Saminasha sahiba jii
It was absolutely not based on gaydar. Poor guy came up with a problem , I gave him my solution based on his history and symptoms. I cleared up the confusion based on my knowledge and it`s implication on daily basis.
Thank you
Re: # 27
{{zeena, when did you get gaydar? (scolding ikaan)..}}.
Saminasha sahiba jii
It was absolutely not based on gaydar. Poor guy came up with a problem , I gave him my solution based on his history and symptoms. I cleared up the confusion based on my knowledge and it`s implication on daily basis.
Thank you
#73 Posted by Zeena on April 18, 2006 11:34:56 pm
#31 Dr.Sohail
Let me make this confusion more clear for you step by step.
#1:-You stated,{{{{for me, human suffering is more important than what diagnosis a person gets.}}
You are doctor? Yes, you are. What is the job of a doctor? Job of the doctor is to do patient`s diagnostic work up and then come up with the DIAGNOSIS for the suffering patients and then make a treatment plan for the disease of the patients to end up the sufferings of the patients.
If you do not care about DIAGNOSIS of the patient and if DIAGNOSIS is not IMPORTANT for you then why are you DOCTOR and why will patients come visit you ? They visit a doctor to get relief for their diseases. Am I right, Dr.? If, I am wrong then I APOLOGIZE.
Conclusion:-DIAGNOSIS is the most important step to cure the disease process. To implement treatment. Confirmed( reference Zeena)
2:- You said,{{Diagnosis changes with different classifications.}}
No, I do not agree with your statement, again you carelessly used your vocabularly.
Diagnosis does not change with different classifications . With more research and with latest editions of medical versatility , Diagnosis remains the SAME , but more or additional medical information with improvement for the treatment plans of the diseases come up to improve the quality of treatment.
Lets take the example of your subject, Psychiatry. DSM(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) and ICD (International classification of Diseases) are the set criteria for the DIAGNOSIS of all MENTAL DISORDERS. They are the foundations for the psychiatry.
They never will change. Yes, they always get REVISED WITH more useful addition or deletion of the prior criteria. They remain the same but, they come up with DSM-I,II, III, IV (revised), ICD-1-10(revised).
You are contradicting your profession, your speciality and also your medical ethics(if you will consider diagnosis as not significant then it is against medical ethics) Sorry, Dr.Sohail.
3:- You said,{{Homosexuality was considered a mental illness in 1960s , but was accepted normal in 1990s.}}}
Dr. Sohail Sir Jii
With all due respect, May I ask a personal question,`` Did you up date your knowledge about psychiatry before submitting your article on chowk or you submitted this article JUST LIKE THAT???
For your kind information, Homosexuality is as ANCIENT as this UNIVERSE is. Homosexuality has got nothing to do with YOUR CULTURE, system of values, religions, beliefs, customs and rituals or taboos, regions, countries, nationalities, castes, race, poor, rich, educated, uneducated, gender, beautiful, ugly blah, blah, blah.................
It exists everywhere and it existed everywhere and it will exist everywhere. Period.
It was always accepted even in ancient Greeks and Romans. It was even accepted when first prophet , Adam existed. It got accepted when there was No such thing as PSYCHIATRY.
Even then let me give you exact information :-Homosexuality got official recognition in 1948 by Dr.C. Kinsey. Then 1973 , it got acceptance as being removed from DSM and ICD(Those ICD and DCM were just mubo jumbo of some confused ill informed minds with NO knowledge of Psychiatry at all) and funny thing is they thought they are AUTHORITY.
Homosexuality is considered as a normal expression of human sexuality , just like bi-sexuality, a-sexuality and heterosexuality.
Remember,``The presence of homosexuality does not appear to be a matter of choice; the expression it is a matter of choice.``
Thank you for your response.
Sincerely
Zeena
Let me make this confusion more clear for you step by step.
#1:-You stated,{{{{for me, human suffering is more important than what diagnosis a person gets.}}
You are doctor? Yes, you are. What is the job of a doctor? Job of the doctor is to do patient`s diagnostic work up and then come up with the DIAGNOSIS for the suffering patients and then make a treatment plan for the disease of the patients to end up the sufferings of the patients.
If you do not care about DIAGNOSIS of the patient and if DIAGNOSIS is not IMPORTANT for you then why are you DOCTOR and why will patients come visit you ? They visit a doctor to get relief for their diseases. Am I right, Dr.? If, I am wrong then I APOLOGIZE.
Conclusion:-DIAGNOSIS is the most important step to cure the disease process. To implement treatment. Confirmed( reference Zeena)
2:- You said,{{Diagnosis changes with different classifications.}}
No, I do not agree with your statement, again you carelessly used your vocabularly.
Diagnosis does not change with different classifications . With more research and with latest editions of medical versatility , Diagnosis remains the SAME , but more or additional medical information with improvement for the treatment plans of the diseases come up to improve the quality of treatment.
Lets take the example of your subject, Psychiatry. DSM(Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) and ICD (International classification of Diseases) are the set criteria for the DIAGNOSIS of all MENTAL DISORDERS. They are the foundations for the psychiatry.
They never will change. Yes, they always get REVISED WITH more useful addition or deletion of the prior criteria. They remain the same but, they come up with DSM-I,II, III, IV (revised), ICD-1-10(revised).
You are contradicting your profession, your speciality and also your medical ethics(if you will consider diagnosis as not significant then it is against medical ethics) Sorry, Dr.Sohail.
3:- You said,{{Homosexuality was considered a mental illness in 1960s , but was accepted normal in 1990s.}}}
Dr. Sohail Sir Jii
With all due respect, May I ask a personal question,`` Did you up date your knowledge about psychiatry before submitting your article on chowk or you submitted this article JUST LIKE THAT???
For your kind information, Homosexuality is as ANCIENT as this UNIVERSE is. Homosexuality has got nothing to do with YOUR CULTURE, system of values, religions, beliefs, customs and rituals or taboos, regions, countries, nationalities, castes, race, poor, rich, educated, uneducated, gender, beautiful, ugly blah, blah, blah.................
It exists everywhere and it existed everywhere and it will exist everywhere. Period.
It was always accepted even in ancient Greeks and Romans. It was even accepted when first prophet , Adam existed. It got accepted when there was No such thing as PSYCHIATRY.
Even then let me give you exact information :-Homosexuality got official recognition in 1948 by Dr.C. Kinsey. Then 1973 , it got acceptance as being removed from DSM and ICD(Those ICD and DCM were just mubo jumbo of some confused ill informed minds with NO knowledge of Psychiatry at all) and funny thing is they thought they are AUTHORITY.
Homosexuality is considered as a normal expression of human sexuality , just like bi-sexuality, a-sexuality and heterosexuality.
Remember,``The presence of homosexuality does not appear to be a matter of choice; the expression it is a matter of choice.``
Thank you for your response.
Sincerely
Zeena
#72 Posted by Zeena on April 18, 2006 10:33:34 pm
Dear writer
I wsih to clarify more my point of view about your article..........................
I couldn`t post more before b/c I was extremely busy. Sorry about that.
1:-What I meant sexuality is your sexual identity. It is not about having sex and fantasy.
2:-Your article created confusion by describing sexuality as having sex and as having sexual fantasies.
3:-You can have sexual fantasies. It clearly means that you can fantasise having sex with anyone by using your imaginary lines. But again it does not diagnose or confirm your sexuality. Fantasy is absolutely not the base of sexual identity.
4:-Having sex is to involve with other being physically for sexual needs.
5:- Having a specific sexual identity (sexuality) is to identify your self with anyone of the sexuality groups(hetero/home/bi/A-sexual) through your hormonal, anatomical, physiological, physical,mental, neurological, chemical, psychiatrical, spiritual, and emotional needs, which are unique for every individual belonging to either of the above mentioned groups and which you don`t choose, which you don`t acquire, which you don`t select. Your sexual identity is the one you are born with. So, you don`t need fantasies to identify your sexual identity.
6:-Sometimes sexuality (sexual identity) gets transformed or overlap or undergo evolutionary changes
which is another big area to research.
7:-When I gave examples of fantasy in sick population of people, called Psych Patients , thats what I meant that fantasy is multidimensional. Fantasy can have hundreds of forms and kinds. But, based on fantasy we can not give your diagnosis of sexuality.
I hope you are clear what I meant when I said sexuality is different than having fantasy. Author mixed up all this. I made it clear that sexuality is not having sex. It is your sexual identity. And, b/c writer made the fantasy as the total basis for his diagnostic criteria for sexuality or sexual identity, that is exactly where I hit the nail to hit it right.
You are in love with someone is exactly not the same as having sex with someone. Well, intimacy is the part of being in love but, it is not the basis of being in love. thank you.
I wsih to clarify more my point of view about your article..........................
I couldn`t post more before b/c I was extremely busy. Sorry about that.
1:-What I meant sexuality is your sexual identity. It is not about having sex and fantasy.
2:-Your article created confusion by describing sexuality as having sex and as having sexual fantasies.
3:-You can have sexual fantasies. It clearly means that you can fantasise having sex with anyone by using your imaginary lines. But again it does not diagnose or confirm your sexuality. Fantasy is absolutely not the base of sexual identity.
4:-Having sex is to involve with other being physically for sexual needs.
5:- Having a specific sexual identity (sexuality) is to identify your self with anyone of the sexuality groups(hetero/home/bi/A-sexual) through your hormonal, anatomical, physiological, physical,mental, neurological, chemical, psychiatrical, spiritual, and emotional needs, which are unique for every individual belonging to either of the above mentioned groups and which you don`t choose, which you don`t acquire, which you don`t select. Your sexual identity is the one you are born with. So, you don`t need fantasies to identify your sexual identity.
6:-Sometimes sexuality (sexual identity) gets transformed or overlap or undergo evolutionary changes
which is another big area to research.
7:-When I gave examples of fantasy in sick population of people, called Psych Patients , thats what I meant that fantasy is multidimensional. Fantasy can have hundreds of forms and kinds. But, based on fantasy we can not give your diagnosis of sexuality.
I hope you are clear what I meant when I said sexuality is different than having fantasy. Author mixed up all this. I made it clear that sexuality is not having sex. It is your sexual identity. And, b/c writer made the fantasy as the total basis for his diagnostic criteria for sexuality or sexual identity, that is exactly where I hit the nail to hit it right.
You are in love with someone is exactly not the same as having sex with someone. Well, intimacy is the part of being in love but, it is not the basis of being in love. thank you.
#71 Posted by nb on April 18, 2006 10:32:41 pm
Re: # 67
No, Khams-he is just new to chowk! He will learn, as did we all.
No, Khams-he is just new to chowk! He will learn, as did we all.
#70 Posted by HP on April 18, 2006 9:49:17 pm
Doctor Sahib, Please read this and then answer my query at the end. Thanks
Call center workers in India are having nervous breakdowns after being abused by fed-up Australians – but they aren`t getting much sympathy.
Half a million people are employed in India`s fast-growing call-center industry, famous for maddening calls at dinner time in Australia.
For some of the workers, abuse and overnight working hours are contributing to stress, sleeping disorders, fatigue, and migraines.
A survey of Mumbai call centers found most call-center workers suffer from burn-out stress syndrome.
The abuse included racial taunts, the Global South Research Group survey found.
``Racial abuse by foreign customers is a job hazard that most employees have to deal with,`` a report on the survey says.
``The US and Australia are the worst abusers,`` said Vino Shetty, from his Young Professionals Collective office in Mumbai.
``Australian accents – especially in working-class areas – are very difficult to understand.
``The Australians then get frustrated because they are not being understood and when they realize the call is from India their anger gets worse.
``They can feel that jobs are being taken away from Australians and if they recently have been out of a job themselves, the abuse escalates,`` he said.
But Queensland Consumers` Association spokeswoman Cherie Dalley said Australians were reacting to phone calls because they were at ``ridiculous`` times.
``Australians are tired of having their privacy interrupted by people trying to sell them things they didn`t want in the first place,`` she said.
James Organ, director of Australian research organisation Callcentres.net, said ``lots of poor innocent Indian workers`` were abused regularly by Australians.
``Some companies are regretting outsourcing this business to India because of the damage it does to their products` reputation,`` he said.
``Its a cultural thing – the moment an Australian suspects the call is coming from India they can get uptight.
Mr Organ`s group estimates Indian call centers account for 50 million calls to Australian homes each year – one fifth of the total telemarketing calls made. ``Everyone has a story of how they were called by someone in Mumbai,`` he said.``
How should the call center employees handle comments like this?
``Sometimes I can smell the curry from through the phoneline.``
``I always get back at them for calling during dinner by saying my God has more arms than their God and is a better shade of blue.``
````Mary`` was quite helpful last week and it only took an hour to answer one question.``
``I always wondered what the weather was like in Bangalore.``
It`s hot. The air is permeated with the combined smell of curry, animal dung, gasoline fumes and burning garbage. There is no escape from the cacophony of honking horns, fighting dogs and the noise generated by competing religious sects blasting overdriven music at all hours of the day.``
And now the question:
Do the call center workers fantasize about gori girls after the abuse?
#69 Posted by burpinder on April 18, 2006 8:49:46 pm
I have a suggestion...Dr Sohail seems the prime candidate to anchor chowk`s first ``What you wanted to know about sex but were afraid to ask`` agony column, a sort of roosting place of the subcontinental youth`s psycho-sexual angst. The kind where 26-year old virgins write in asking: My penis is bent slightly to the left. I have been masturbating twice a day since I was 11. Will I go to hell for my sins and is my penis crooked because of this?
Could be fun...what say?
Could be fun...what say?
#68 Posted by burpinder on April 18, 2006 8:45:40 pm
Re: # 38
Killing me with kindness are you? Oh well...
Killing me with kindness are you? Oh well...
#67 Posted by khamkhwa. on April 18, 2006 8:00:45 pm
doctor saheb...
... writing an article for chowk and responding to each query proves: either your business is in bad shape or no one listens to your ghazals anymore...;)
... writing an article for chowk and responding to each query proves: either your business is in bad shape or no one listens to your ghazals anymore...;)
#66 Posted by warpster on April 18, 2006 7:58:47 pm
Dr. S,
Since the late 90s there has been an explosion of internet porn and most of the consumers are men. Have your patients talked about the effects of porn at all on their fantasies and realities?
Since the late 90s there has been an explosion of internet porn and most of the consumers are men. Have your patients talked about the effects of porn at all on their fantasies and realities?
#65 Posted by Saminasha on April 18, 2006 6:47:43 pm
Re: # 62
rolling on the floor laughing=rotfl
(really meant for Dilli Sahib)
rolling on the floor laughing=rotfl
(really meant for Dilli Sahib)
#64 Posted by drsohail on April 18, 2006 4:49:31 pm
Re: # 56
Dear Dehliwala....SYBIL was an example of Multiple Personalities. It is not my area of
interest but I have met a few who had that diagnosis.
Thuaday dost dullabhatti di khwahish hay kay sadi dosti ho jaiy. tusi donon toronto aao
te mera ghar zaroor aana....
sincerely sohail
Dear Dehliwala....SYBIL was an example of Multiple Personalities. It is not my area of
interest but I have met a few who had that diagnosis.
Thuaday dost dullabhatti di khwahish hay kay sadi dosti ho jaiy. tusi donon toronto aao
te mera ghar zaroor aana....
sincerely sohail
#63 Posted by drsohail on April 18, 2006 4:46:04 pm
Re: # 58
Dear Atif 2...I feel after the discovery of contraceptive pill sex got dicvided in three groups
3 Rs...1...Reproductive...2....Relational (love)...3....Recreational
I feel each person is free to give meaning to his / her sexual behaviour. There are so many
slangs about sex that it is sometimes hard to know what someone means. For example in
English language when people say...sleeping together....last thing they do is sleep...smiles
sincerely sohail
Dear Atif 2...I feel after the discovery of contraceptive pill sex got dicvided in three groups
3 Rs...1...Reproductive...2....Relational (love)...3....Recreational
I feel each person is free to give meaning to his / her sexual behaviour. There are so many
slangs about sex that it is sometimes hard to know what someone means. For example in
English language when people say...sleeping together....last thing they do is sleep...smiles
sincerely sohail
#62 Posted by drsohail on April 18, 2006 4:40:42 pm
Re: # 60
Dear Samanasha....I am sorry I did not understand your abbreviation...sincerely sohail
Dear Samanasha....I am sorry I did not understand your abbreviation...sincerely sohail
#61 Posted by drsohail on April 18, 2006 4:39:01 pm
Re: # 59
dear kashmakash...thank you for being so honest. maybe you are one of the exceptions.
Obviously it depends upon what kind of females you encountered in your intimate life and
how ithey affected your fantasy life. You seem to have romantic nostalgia.
I just wanted to highlight that the fantasy life changes in immigrants after they move to
another culture. sincerely sohail
dear kashmakash...thank you for being so honest. maybe you are one of the exceptions.
Obviously it depends upon what kind of females you encountered in your intimate life and
how ithey affected your fantasy life. You seem to have romantic nostalgia.
I just wanted to highlight that the fantasy life changes in immigrants after they move to
another culture. sincerely sohail
#59 Posted by Kashmakash on April 18, 2006 3:46:03 pm
dakter saib, dakter saib, when I was in desi lands, my fantasies revolved around blondes wearing skirts. After coming to gora world and dating to dull skinned goris, i have wet dreams of brown skinned, completely dressed desi ladies. It is exactly opposite to what you mentioned? Any explanations...
#58 Posted by atif2 on April 18, 2006 3:13:13 pm
Urstruly # 32 ``In this case, theoretically, if a boy is kept from any and all sexual stimulants, he should not have wet dreams.``
I second that theory. I have observed that the frequency of my wet dreams is directly proportional to the frequency of Catherine Zeta-Jones appearences on my TV.
Dr. Sahib, on a different note, is it healthy to find meanings in sex? Also, why is losing virginity defined as having sex that involves at least one other person?
I second that theory. I have observed that the frequency of my wet dreams is directly proportional to the frequency of Catherine Zeta-Jones appearences on my TV.
Dr. Sahib, on a different note, is it healthy to find meanings in sex? Also, why is losing virginity defined as having sex that involves at least one other person?
#57 Posted by dullabhatti on April 18, 2006 3:11:47 pm
Sohail ji, iss sardaar(dilliwale) nu tusi apna mareez...err....I mean mureed bana lao.:-)
#56 Posted by delhiwala on April 18, 2006 2:56:05 pm
Re: # 55
Good Point.
Do you ever work patients such as Sally Fields in a movie called ``SYBIL``?
Good Point.
Do you ever work patients such as Sally Fields in a movie called ``SYBIL``?
#55 Posted by drsohail on April 18, 2006 2:17:41 pm
Re: # 53
Dear dehliwala....I read Ayn Rand`s books a long time ago. I was new in Canada and I
found her writings quite interesting. If I remember correctly one of her books was
THE VIRTUEOF SELFISHNESS
and was promoting anarchist ideas. My article on human fantasies
applies to females as well as males. One difference I found was men`s fantasies were more
sexual and erotic while women`s fantasies were more about loving relationships. There was
more caring and nurturing and cuddling...than just sex.....as much foreplay and afterplay
as play. I suggest to my male patients to focus on candlelight dinners and dances alongside
the actual sexual act to win their sweetheart`s heart.... sincerely sohail
Dear dehliwala....I read Ayn Rand`s books a long time ago. I was new in Canada and I
found her writings quite interesting. If I remember correctly one of her books was
THE VIRTUEOF SELFISHNESS
and was promoting anarchist ideas. My article on human fantasies
applies to females as well as males. One difference I found was men`s fantasies were more
sexual and erotic while women`s fantasies were more about loving relationships. There was
more caring and nurturing and cuddling...than just sex.....as much foreplay and afterplay
as play. I suggest to my male patients to focus on candlelight dinners and dances alongside
the actual sexual act to win their sweetheart`s heart.... sincerely sohail
#54 Posted by delhiwala on April 18, 2006 2:01:45 pm
Re: # 52
Dr Sohail,
Actually I find you to be extremely interesting person.
Tussey pehle Pakistani ho jehnu es majmoon te doctoriayat karde hoye dekhya hai.
Sarrey tuahnu Tharkee akhdey si te mai kehnda si ke eho hi ek layak daakatar je.
Tussey Khamkahwa nu assistant le leyo, he is dying to be with you and check out your patient`s fantasies.
Dr Sohail,
Actually I find you to be extremely interesting person.
Tussey pehle Pakistani ho jehnu es majmoon te doctoriayat karde hoye dekhya hai.
Sarrey tuahnu Tharkee akhdey si te mai kehnda si ke eho hi ek layak daakatar je.
Tussey Khamkahwa nu assistant le leyo, he is dying to be with you and check out your patient`s fantasies.
#53 Posted by delhiwala on April 18, 2006 1:20:12 pm
Re: # 52Have you Ayn Rand`s books Mr Sohail?
Also, why did you only focus on male fantasys, what about woman`s?
Also, why did you only focus on male fantasys, what about woman`s?
#52 Posted by drsohail on April 18, 2006 1:09:24 pm
Re: # 50
sardar ji...tusi bohut interesting aadmi lagday o.
dear dehliwala!
You sound quite an interesting man. I do not feel comfortable discussing your personal
fantasies and dreams publicly. Thanks for reading my article and making your comments.
sincerely sohail
sardar ji...tusi bohut interesting aadmi lagday o.
dear dehliwala!
You sound quite an interesting man. I do not feel comfortable discussing your personal
fantasies and dreams publicly. Thanks for reading my article and making your comments.
sincerely sohail
#50 Posted by delhiwala on April 18, 2006 12:28:02 pm
Re: # 49
Dr Sohail,
I often fantasize about water-surfing with a Dog in front of people in Florida.
Is there anything wrong with that kind of fantasy?
Truth is that once I rented Water Jet Skis in Toledo, OH and I fell down real bad in Maumi river. At that time I did not even know how to swim. But then I learned how to swim and I tried the Jet Ski and I fell again. But I dont want to give up.
One Hindoo dream analyst told me that till I can master this art I would keep on fantasizing about it.
Any comments?
Dr Sohail,
I often fantasize about water-surfing with a Dog in front of people in Florida.
Is there anything wrong with that kind of fantasy?
Truth is that once I rented Water Jet Skis in Toledo, OH and I fell down real bad in Maumi river. At that time I did not even know how to swim. But then I learned how to swim and I tried the Jet Ski and I fell again. But I dont want to give up.
One Hindoo dream analyst told me that till I can master this art I would keep on fantasizing about it.
Any comments?
#49 Posted by drsohail on April 18, 2006 12:08:00 pm
Re: # 48
dear urstruly.....you have an interesting question. It has been my observation that those
people who lead frustrating lives in reality have a tendency to compensate in their fantasy.
Last week someone shared with me that since he broke up with his girlfriend he has a ritual
of fantasizing and masturbating every night before he goes to sleep. My impression is that
when people have a healthy balance in their lives then the `addictive behaviour` takes a
healthy turn. Sometimes people need professional help but in many cases life experiences
can guide people back on the right track. Thanks for engaging in exciting dialogue. It is
unfortunate that many people are still uncomfortable with the subject and cannot discuss
such issues with their lovers and spouses.
sincerely sohail
dear urstruly.....you have an interesting question. It has been my observation that those
people who lead frustrating lives in reality have a tendency to compensate in their fantasy.
Last week someone shared with me that since he broke up with his girlfriend he has a ritual
of fantasizing and masturbating every night before he goes to sleep. My impression is that
when people have a healthy balance in their lives then the `addictive behaviour` takes a
healthy turn. Sometimes people need professional help but in many cases life experiences
can guide people back on the right track. Thanks for engaging in exciting dialogue. It is
unfortunate that many people are still uncomfortable with the subject and cannot discuss
such issues with their lovers and spouses.
sincerely sohail
#48 Posted by Urstruly on April 18, 2006 10:45:47 am
Dr. Sahib Thank you for your response. Another question:
It is also my observation that sexual fantasies are addictive and may develope into what we call Ide fixe in layman`s terms or in your terminology obssesive compulsive disorder. I am not talking about sociopaths who act on their fantasies but I am referring to those who become extremely passive while excessively induldged into their wonderland. I am talking about the indulgence, which so overwhelming that they find it difficult to engage in the tasks of their daily life.
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#46 Posted by Saminasha on April 18, 2006 9:20:46 am
Re: # 45
Dr. Sohail,
You should consider chowk.com the kind of research material that keeps giving and giving then. Good luck!
Dr. Sohail,
You should consider chowk.com the kind of research material that keeps giving and giving then. Good luck!
#45 Posted by drsohail on April 18, 2006 9:18:20 am
Re: # 44
Dear Saminasha...I welcome your comments and questions. It seems as you and dehli wala
have ongoing informal dialogue. I am new to the chowk. I want to be respectful to all so
that we can have a genuine dialogue and learn from each other. For me degrees are less
important than what we have to contribute to others. For me my education provides me an
opportunity to serve others espec
Dear Saminasha...I welcome your comments and questions. It seems as you and dehli wala
have ongoing informal dialogue. I am new to the chowk. I want to be respectful to all so
that we can have a genuine dialogue and learn from each other. For me degrees are less
important than what we have to contribute to others. For me my education provides me an
opportunity to serve others espec