Has Higher Education Failed India?

Dear Mr. Behl

There can`t be any denying that casteism is a bane of Indian society, although its extent and rigidity varies across regions, economic/religious groups etc. I also agree that a lot of extra support is required for those who are disadvantaged solely for the reason of their birth. But it is also necessary to review how the reservation policy is providing that support, how it has been implemented since independence, whether it has produced desired effects, and what changes might be necessary. But sadly, this is not being done. The purpose of reservations is not a tit-for-tat against upper caste Hindu oppressors or their progeny. The purpose, in my opinion, is to support these disadvantaged sections so that within a few generations time they could be at least educationally and financially be at an equal footing with others.

This purpose can be achieved only by expanding elementary and high school education, establishing more schools for vocational training, and by providing special incentives to poor kids (make it very special for dalits/SC/ST) for attendance and good performance.

Reservations in higher education/jobs may be provided, but the bars need to be raised.
Just expanding the scope of reservations will benefit only the so called creamy layer, keeping them crippled and dependent on quotas. On the other hand, those who don`t have any means to send their children even to a primary school, will remain neglected forever.

Regards

#91 you digress?

#87 by jang

[who should i believe? ]

I think you should believe your pedophile-prophet, who told you that the earth is flat and the mountains act as paperweights to hold it down during earthquakes. You muslims are reading this kind of knowledgeable stuff in the Koran for the last 1400 years, and it`s still not enough. Keep reading that stuff. That`s the stuff for your islamic brain. All you have to give in return for all this knowledge is your foreskin.

#89 i am learning a lot here from panditjee and its free...i dont have to give my thumb or anything ;-)

apparently navjot siddu has joined the agitation in dilli (in his personal capacity and not representing the BJP) as a show of support he was reciting poetry...this will be covered by all TV channels for sure LOL. what is interesting to note that the BJP is not showing any support for the agitation against reservation.

Re: # 87
Oye Jang, chhod de jang, you can take a horse to water but he will surely drive you to drink?-)

Re: # 79

behl:

``But caste is permanent. It never changes. A born Dalit dies as Dalit even if he becomes rich. ``

what is your problem man.

do you want quota so that a dalit gets better oppurtunities and has a better lifestyle (by becoming rich)
or
you want him to become a ``brahmin`` so that he won`t die a ``dalit`` irrespective of a quota system.


anyways, current agitation is providing more to OBC`s than to dalits, if you care to now whats happening around.


i thought india wants to be a casteless society, who do you get there without harping on castes at every stage of your life??????

#86 panditji, so the argument is what, since the numerals were in brahmi lipi, brahmans invented the decimal system? pls help me connect the dots here. and should we discount the jaina math as non-brahmin? the 0 was invented by merchants to keep ``khata`` ..double entry book-keeping, credit debit etc. (this is what aggarwals and guptas tell me). who should i believe?

#84 by jang

[these are brahmin inventions? decimal system is most likley a bania, astology i grant you. phylosophy is never an invention. ]

Yes. Are you that ignorant?

The decimal number system or the base 10 system is the model on which base 2 (binary), base 16 (hexadecimal), base 8(octal) etc. numbering systems were developed.

The Brahmins came up with the concepts of zero and infinity. Both of which were beyond your European masters and the Chinese, and the Islamic scholars (the Arabs learnt it from the Indians).

Educate yourself: http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/Timelines/TimelineA.html

http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/PrintHT/Indian_mathematics.html

This is a good beginning. There`s lot more stuff on Brahmins.

Re: # 79



I think the reds have this ``hidden`` agenda of pushing their legislation for `reservation` in the private corporate world .............. they tried their best in WB to kill `Capitalism`.........and they only succeeded in destroying the WB economy..........now the left wants to do the same with the indian Corporate world........it is time the corporate world woke up and saw their game plan........since I have interacted with them closely these bunch of good for nothing `intellectuals`, who can be bought for a bottle of rum, have started dreaming of throttling the Indian `Capitalism` in order to turn their egotistical perverse fantasy into a reality.......... I would like to warn every body that they need to do something before they start pushing legislation to ensure their comrade`s good for nothing sons and daughters get a pension plan in your company for doing nothing........... I am already thinking of winding up my concern before they start forcing less than qualified quota degree holders in my concern..........I would ask every one else to start packing their bags and planning to move to some other country (like Pakistan) where atleast you can be assured that no politician can `force` me through state legislation to start a pension plan for their party members...........

#78 {Q: How did the Brahmins invent the decimal number system, astrology, philosophy?}

these are brahmin inventions? decimal system is most likley a bania, astology i grant you. phylosophy is never an invention.

#82 by aisha_sarwari

And your point is what?

#82 by aisha_sarwari

And your point is what?

FYI

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I am surprised that a section of civil society and upper caste is standing behind the anti reservation move. They do not consider that as per data available 86% post of governance, execution and all important portfolios even in politics are occupied by the representatives of 15 % upper caste people. From primary school to higher education institutions, medical and engineering collage every where all positions are filled by upper caste people. That’s why all anti reservation move is getting out of turn visibility. They could hamper the whole system because they are in majority in all this higher places including the so called biased national media which is basically representing this section only.
Then who are the responsible for non implementation of reservation policy? Data of fifty years are proving that non implementation of the reservation is the basic reason that disadvantage communities are still out of the developmental process.
Why they are ignoring the historical fact that there past generation has denied rights of 85% people of this country as human being. Even Dalits are still treated as untouchable. Every day they are suffering caste related atrocities and discrimination.
My major point is that till now no one has bringing any authentic research report for the support of there anti reservation move. Which has claimed that peoples from reserve category are inefficient or less capable in comparison of other general category people?

Second none of government- none government institution, industrial house or MNC has not mention on there any reports that because of reserve category people, the performance or result of the organization/ institute has declined.
You just go to the employment exchange and see the huge line of merit candidates from reserve category with all skills but they are not getting jobs. The other side million of jobs is unfilled from reserved category. Who are responsible?
We request to all upper caste people and civil society that if you want to competit the world then it is need of the time to bring all communities and people up to that level where they also feel equality means equal opportunity, equal resource and un- discriminatory mind set. Then only one can claim merit. And definitely it will different then today.
We need that upper caste have to change it’s mind set and discriminative attitude towards historical disadvantage communities like Dalits, Tribals and OBC’s etc.
ARUN KHOTE
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Not once has this dude answered even one of the questions that have been raised here. Instead, it is some article or letters supporting his POV or outright gibberish in the form of devious insinuations, which leads me to the conclusion that he is a harcore JNTU-jholawalla. The hallmark of this species is that they fanatically support any ideology that is in the Commie manifesto without pausing to consider the pros and cons of that position. Another interactor, Parthab was of a similar mould.

Re: 78 by myself

I meant astronomy, not astrology.

Poverty is no problem in India. No poor Brahmin has revolted against a rich Brahmin. In a Brahmin institution, its owner, always employs poor Brahmins, his own jatwalas, to see that the employees do not revolt. There is no trade union of poor Brahmins against the rich Brahmin employer.

Class solidarity: There is nothing like class solidarity of the poor. In Bombay textile mills, upper caste mill workers went on strike against their own Dalit colleagues employed in the weaving section.

A ``class`` is temporary but ``caste`` is permanent. There is no promotion or demotion in a caste society.

Poverty is not permanent. It can change any time as many Dalit-Backwards have become rich in the last 30 years.

But caste is permanent. It never changes. A born Dalit dies as Dalit even if he becomes rich. In every village of Punjab Dalits have their separate burials. Caste fixes your place — not poverty.

In ``Hindu India`` poverty yardstick makes no sense.