Change Management:Marx and Muslims

Re: # 300 & 301 by tahmed32

``(btw, nobody n Pakistan pronounces hadis as ``hadith``, so I prefer to spell it the way it is pronounced).``

It`s your choice, but I find it rather silly because most people in Pakistan don`t pronounce just as common words in the English language either. However, I`m sure you do make point to pronounce them as they are meant to be. Anyway, that`s not important.

My dear friend, why are you so adament about not to consult the Quran on this matter. This time, please read the entire chapter of surah Baqarah to understand what is being. As I said before, according to the Quran, the primary condition to enter the heavens is `faith in Allah`. Along with the faith, one has to do the required deeds as well, regardless of how unfashionable they may be at any given time. When you read the entire chapter, you will notice that heaven is only being promised to the `believers`. The non-believers are also rewarded, but not with an entry into the heavens. Again, please read about Abu Talib - the dearest uncle of the Prophet (PBUH).

The above answers your questions 1 & 2, if you read carefully; the replies to 3 & 4 and #301 to follow.

Meray Bhai, whoever told you that one is NOT obligated to share the knowledge Allah Blesses him with? Please read the Quran, there is tremendous emphasis on spreading the message to the entire humanity, as this is the religion for all - not just the Arabs. Think about it, if that wasn`t the case then how would it have reached you and made you so proud of your choice to be a Muslim?

The Prophets (peace be upon them) will be held responsible if they didn`t spread the message and implemented the system. That`s why all of them endured immense discomfort and torture meted out to them by the disbelievers. What they will not be held accountable for is the number of people who rejected their message and reversion to Allah.

Similarly, we will not be held accountable for people who reject our knowledge. But just like the accountibility for our health, wealth, and everything else Allah has Blessed us with, we will be held responsible for the knowledge we do not share.

Your apparent hatred for the mullahs is understandable as many of them have distorted Islam to their ends. However, the above is not from any mullah, or even the Prophet (PBUH). The Prophet (PBUH) and a few scholars who devoted their entire lives to this mission only reiterate what Allah says in the Quran.

With all due respect, you`re way too concerned about Islam being joked about by a few jokers. It`s a joker`s nature to joke about everything - it`s matter of his survival if you know what I mean ;-)~~

But seriously, since the time of Nooh (AS) the non-believers have humored this one and only religion. Some did it out of arrogance, and other out of ignorance. Does that mean you will continue to dilute your faith every time a new joke comes around? How long will you do that?

We can spend our entire lives but it never be enough for the non-believers, because people, ideas, jokes, etc continue to change with time. Just look around you on this very portal. The very people who are singing praise for the USA today - with or without a rhyme - were worshiping USSR until the latter collapsed. Before that it was Great Britain, perhaps before that it was Portugal, Spain, and so on. These are the children of those who used to literally sing and dance for Muslims, Aryan, and what have you.

The due to their stubborn disbelief, non-believers live only day-to-day as they cannot fathom the concept of next chapter of life, the hereafter, in the greater scheme of things. This way of life leaves them no choice but submit to everyone and anyone. I guarantee you, insha Allah when Muslims do reign in the Dajjali forces these very people will fight each other to become your slaves.

The simple philosophy in life, my friend, is mathematical. We can either choose to bow before One Allah and do our best to please Him, or we can try to please hundreds of people around us. If you notice, when it comes to pleasing human beings, we often fail to please even ourselves. That`s just how we`re created, and that`s who we are.

In my humble opinion, you are on the right track. But for some reason your hatred of Islamic scholars prevents you from learning more about your own faith. Please be careful, because it seems your faith in modern definition of `secularism` - which has only amplified the conflicts and problems in this world instead of simplifying them - is taking precedence over your faith in Allah and His prescribed way of life.

If you have deliberately chosen to have it this way, then may Allah help you.

As I asked krishna, I hope that at some point in your life you do consider for a moment ``what if you`re wrong``. The sooner you ask yourself this question the better, because you never know how much longer each of us has to live.

Allah Hafiz,
:-)~~

:-)~~ = HOPELESS


``The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.``

- Bertrand Russell

Mr. Subhash: This is indeed a non-trivial problem (as my math teacher - Allah bakhshay - would have said). I mean this opportunity hinduism provides for you to return as a bumble bee and mend your ways, while in islam it is a one-way street to the deep frier if you screw up. I must speak to our marketing VP and see if we cannot beat the deal you are getting. In any case: how about those 64 virgin islam gets you?? how about those farm-fresh oranges dripping with anti-oxidants you get in heaven?? Can hinduism match that?!! Of course not!!! :-)

Re: # 291 by krishna_abcd

As you wish.

My only purpose to visit chowk, as you may have guessed, is to share the knowledge I have and invite non-Muslims to Islam.

Considering the astronomical and geological phenomena, the planet earth is going to end sooner or later. No amount of `save the planet` drives can prevent it because it is simply beyond our control. We haven`t even discovered half the mysteries buried in it, for crying out loud, and already we witness increasing numbers of natural disasters, much more devastating than each before. Therefore, the prospect of returning to this life is as moot as a man made statue to be the creator of anything.

Just so you know, I have studied the Christian and Hindu ideologies. Suffice it to say, the massive inherent contradictions give me immense satisfaction that I have chosen to remain a Muslim.

Anyway, since you also believe in the Judgement Day, if my ideology is correct then you will be one of my witnesses that I not only conveyed the message to you but also invited you to enjoy the most natural way of life - Islam - on this earth. On the other hand, if I turn out to be wrong, then you couldn`t claim the same. Krishna ji, it`s all about accountibility whether we choose to take the responsibility or not.

:-)~~

Re: # 330 Tahmed-jee

But I am not after amusement. I just don`t want to go to Hell. Hindus may be funny but they don`t mind if I join them in Heaven. They also give me chance to come back to Earth and enjoy carnal pleasures, as a mongrel or a bee, doesn`t matter. The party remains on. It`s YOUR Islam that wants to deep fry me. So I feel concerned, very concerned. Get it, Sirjee?

#328 see subhasjee? I knew you would find plenty to be amused by within your own hindu community. :-)

Re: # 326 closet-mullah32
[...one realizes more and more what Jinnah was talking about in calling for a separate nation....]

Yep.... the evil hinuds that jinnah has warned you about - that`s us.... yep, we are the bad ones - we love to kick mullah a$$es... :))... and sometimes, we even eat muslim babies... so go hug jinnah`s potrait and hide in the closet - big bad hinuds are out to get you... ;)

Re: # 327

My dear sir Hindu religion is really very funny and amusing. It`s also sometimes quite sublime. That`s why I love it, although I am not a believer. But Hinduism still alows me to remain Hindu, nobody ever threatened to slash my throat for this.

As far as the men walking naked covered in dust are concerned, I`m sure they do it for personal gratification rather than to please any god (or goddess?) But then at least Hindus can claim to have invented nudism.

About casteism I know it`s a very deplorable thing but I would like to get enlightened more by ``your kind erudite self``. Please carry on. I don`t mind a bit.

One more thing, if you read Hindu scriptures, you will find that many of our Gods were quite lustful and great fornicators. Ever heard the story of Hanuman`s (monkey god`s) birth? Intriguing stuff!

#325 subhashjoshi: you seriously expect me to respond to half a dozen posts written after another.

All I can say is - it is indeed funny that some people believe in an afterlife, as you correctly note. However, I suggest you look at some hindu customs and you will find far, far greater room for amusement, complete with monkey gods, gods with elephant heads, weddings be set based on astrology predictions, men walking around naked covered in dust to make the gods happy.....


....and some not so funny stuff: individuals assured they are untouchable because they were bad in their previous life while those high caste types who have been screwing them for centuries are high caste because they were morally superior people.

Get it???

#314 hamidm: Shouldnt a discussion concerning paris hilton and the midget be permitted on chowk without complaints from a third midget complaining about being ignored? and without a half dozen other midgets coming out of the woodwork to join in the shrieks of agony (as per the posts below)? :-)

and now ntsyed has disappeared just as I thought finally we were getting somewhere in our discussions .... :-(

but seriously - as I think you agree, every time one comes to chowk and reads stuff from these freaks on chowk, one realizes more and more what Jinnah was talking about in calling for a separate nation.

Re: # 324

Well looks like you or anyone else, faithful or unfaithful, has no answers. Andherey mein teer chalaatey rahiye....

#320 i dont know all the answers, but i am sure if you are faithful you will find them.

Re: # 308 by tahmed saahb

We are merely worried about our own prospects of getting in to paradise, that`s all. Why does it irritate you so much? You are on our side anyway. It`s Syed Sahab who wants to block entry for us.

BTW, is it possible to get our very own Arjun Singh to make a good case for reserving 20% seats for us.

Re: # 306 tahmed

Oh yes our culture is quite primitive. We have no Divine Guidance System for flying planes into buildings.

tahmed sahebji, you are right, hindus should but-out. pakistan was created for ensure progress of muslims of the subcontinent and it can only happen in seclusion.

Re: # 297 by Jang

1) So, my dear Sir, the guys who flew into WTC, were they using Islamic Divine Guidance System (IDGS)?

2) Those who don`t believe in Allah are on wrong path. What course of action is recommended for the faithful in such case? (There should be some divine guidance for that, sure you can`t just let other (lesser) humans go astray, you should do something about it. So what does your IDGS say?

I am asking this because it concerns everybody, muslims and non-muslims. And also, everybody is free to talk about anything that is wrong with Hindu society, if that concerns you in any way, or even if it doesn`t.