Change Management:Marx and Muslims

Re: # 295 by tahmed32

[This is a discussion among muslims about muslim issues.]

Wrong. This is a discussion about muslim view of non-muslims, and therefore it concerns us.

BTW, are you a chowk-idaar here?

Re: # 314 hamidm
[...that is like saying we should have a diginified and respectful discussion about paris hilton and the midget ....]

LOL - well said :)... At slightest pretext, mullahs and closet-mullahs of chowk break into ``discussion on matters of religion`` - they thump koran to a pulp.... pull all sorts of non-sense from their hats and a$$es... .... And then they end up declaring each other as ``Not A Real Muslim``....

The islamic freak show continues day after day - closet-mullah32 is the joker-in-chief in this interminable act of stupidity...

#310 by jang

[folio, naturally men and women are made differently and have different natural needs, e.g. consider the ratio of sperm to eggs. any good religion would recognize this.]

Yes. Also the ratio of sperms to brain cells for Paki males.

#306 by tahmed32

[PS: I didnt waste my time reading the rest of your post.]

Oh yes, of course.....

Now do liars get sentenced to fry in oil on ``Judgement Day`` by Allah?

:-)

#306 by tahmed32

[#304 krishna-the-latest-genius-from-India-on-chowk: you ask `` Also, how come you are only talking about Islam, and not about other religions? Huh? ``

Because, genius, unlike you and your kind from India, I am interested in issues of concern to my own community of people - i.e. pakistanis, muslims. Unlike you and your kind from india - who are quick to find fault in other people`s religions and cultures while pretending to be unaware your own primitive culture.

PS: I didnt waste my time reading the rest of your post.]

Well, my dear tahmed-the-latest-genius-from Pakistan-on-Chowk, if you had bothered to read my post, you would have realized that the sentence ``Also, how come you are only talking about Islam, and not about other religions? Huh?``, was NOT A QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING YOU, but rather I WAS SHOWING THAT IT IS THE KIND OF QUESTION AN ISLAMIC APOLOGIST LIKE YOU WOULD BE ASKING ME, WHEN CONFRONTED WITH CRITICISM ABOUT ISLAM.


And by the way, I have been around in Chowk for a while - I am the latest incarnation of Ajeya/Ramanujan.

tahmed,

`` but one thing I agree upon for sure, which is to have a dignified and respectful discussion on matters of religion ``.............. that is like saying we should have a diginified and respectful discussion about paris hilton and the midget !

#312 folio, offcourse answers are never so clear in these matters, but with faith and reading the book, you will reduce the confusion and find peace.

Re: # 310

Jang,

So, 1:64/72 is meant for procreation! Then what about multiplication? Each good man must be creating at least a family of so many hundreds, then about inter-generational multiplications! Mind boggling. What baout good children who are of small age(who cant do those things)? I think this arrangement is an incentive to make good people and was not meant for procreation. If there is any mention of details, pl expalin, I`ll be thankful to you.

Anyway, more we dig more questions would pop-up. I think all books of all religions were written by men. Women are considered as commodity.

harish_hyd #309 Well, dont let me disturb you inside your fool`s paradise.

PS: Keep in mind that I had no interest in disturbing the fool`s paradise you indians live in to begin with. I was detracted from my discussion on Islam with ntsyed by your indian genius krishna who was complaining about my discussing Islam only. But if you losers come running to chowk to ridicule Pakistanis while crowing about India as if you were the Indian Minister for Bullshit and Propaganda, then I dont mind showing you the mirror.

folio, naturally men and women are made differently and have different natural needs, e.g. consider the ratio of sperm to eggs. any good religion would recognize this.

#308 by tahmed32

there is no contradiction. it is easy enough to skim through a post and spot a key thing on which to respond (although you may be using this other method of holding the computer upside down - that would certainly be the indian way of doing things).

Of course it is a contradiction and you know it. The Indian way of doing things apparently has been a great success and has brought Indians worldwide recognition, so maybe you Pakis should try it too. But then, maybe it won`t suit you martial types because brains here are a must.

as for your obvious resentment at the term ``primitive`` being applied to hindu culture - it doesnt require great discussion to understand that.

Resentment? I just pointed out the contradiction which you in your haste to get back at krishna obviously overlooked. In any case, what level of advancement a culture has reached can be guaged by the accomplishments of that culture and the acknowledgement of it as such by other cultures. India is recognized as one of the most ancient and advanced cultures of its time. Also, it goes without saying that Pakistan today is the most reviled country on the face of the Earth notwithstanding what you Pakis choose to believe. As for the greatness of any religion, it can simply be guaged from the acts of its adherents and Muslims haven`t exactly covered themselves with glory on this score. So please keep the chest thumping confined to the bathroom lest you become the laughing stock (not that you haven`t already) of Chowk.

instead of jumping to defend one another, you indians should be learning something from pakistanis on chowk - namely, that it is better to focus on your own problems rather than to hide from reality and get cheap thrills by insulting other people`s religion and culture.

Sure, Pakis focus on their own problems. Like the Kashmir problem, the Danish cartoons, the Israel-Palestine conflict. I can name a few more but I`m sure you got the idea.

#307 harish hyd: there is no contradiction. it is easy enough to skim through a post and spot a key thing on which to respond (although you may be using this other method of holding the computer upside down - that would certainly be the indian way of doing things). as for your obvious resentment at the term ``primitive`` being applied to hindu culture - it doesnt require great discussion to understand that.

instead of jumping to defend one another, you indians should be learning something from pakistanis on chowk - namely, that it is better to focus on your own problems rather than to hide from reality and get cheap thrills by insulting other people`s religion and culture.

#306 by tahmed32

Because, genius, unlike you and your kind from India, I am interested in issues of concern to my own community of people - i.e. pakistanis, muslims. Unlike you and your kind from india - who are quick to find fault in other people`s religions and cultures while pretending to be unaware your own primitive culture.

There you go again. In just one sentence, you managed to contradict yourself. You say you`re only interested in your country and people, yet you denounce Indian culture as primitive in the same breath.

PS: I didnt waste my time reading the rest of your post.

Since when have you started reading posts upside down?

#304 krishna-the-latest-genius-from-India-on-chowk: you ask `` Also, how come you are only talking about Islam, and not about other religions? Huh? ``

Because, genius, unlike you and your kind from India, I am interested in issues of concern to my own community of people - i.e. pakistanis, muslims. Unlike you and your kind from india - who are quick to find fault in other people`s religions and cultures while pretending to be unaware your own primitive culture.

PS: I didnt waste my time reading the rest of your post.

Re: # 281

(HE sent those messengers ...

Then HE left the books for us for this purpose...

...all five senses tuned to hear HIM - these are the valuable pieces from your post).

My question (post 302) to Krishna is answered thru` you. Allah is a man like us (see all pronouns). I hope you are an expert on the subject. Now I understand why men are lured to be good, coz Allah is a man. Till now I read the heard the Allah is nameless, faceless, sexless kind of entity, kind of light. Your post has claered that question for me.

I still wonder what good women do in heaven? Would they have multiple-partners, kind of western world?

#300 by tahmed32

[in reading your post, i can see a basic issue - i.e. individual responsibility vs. ``hadees`` (btw, nobody n Pakistan pronounces hadis as ``hadith``, so I prefer to spell it the way it is pronounced).

So let me ask you:

1. Does the Quran place upon you, the individual, the responsibility to use your God-given faculties to see and to hear and to think rationally and with a conscience?? ]


Of course it does! It goes as follows:

1. Use ``your God-given faculties to see and to hear and to think rationally and with a conscience``.

2. However, if by doing so, you find that you have to condemn a lot of what is written in the Koran, as well as Mo`s deeds, then don`t use the approach described in point number 1. In these cases, suspend intellect and disbelief, and try to ``read between the lines``. For example, if Mo says ``kill, kill, kill``, it REALLY means ``love everybody``. If Mo beheaded 700 unarmed men, and sold their women and children into slavery, it REALLY means that they deserved their fate and therefore it is okay. If he wanted to marry a 1st grader at 53 years of age, it really means he`s just a normal red-blooded man brimming with love for humanity. And so on....

3. If you can`t stomach point #1, then that clearly means that:
a) You hate Muslims, and therefore your arguments are irrelevent, or,
b) You lack the ``courage`` to read the Koran properly, or,
c) You are an idiot, and therefore anything you say is irrelevent.

Also, how come you are only talking about Islam, and not about other religions? Huh?



Get the drift?