Awaaz Dey KahaaN Hay

swarrier#135:

Really impressed!

Re: # 130 Echoboom
Okay I have some time. This is a long post. First some background , if you know all this shoot me.
The stanzas are taken from Jaydev`s Geeta Govindam. So it again is about Krishna as the first two lines by Hemant Kumar indicate. This is not part of Geeta Govindam .

Hare muraare madhu kaithaba hare
Gopal govind mukunda shaure (I`m not sure if this is shaure or hare, shauryam in sanskrit is heroism)

The other stanzas deal with 5 of Vishnu`s avataras, of whom Krishna is one though there is no mention of him in Jaydeva`s stanzas. The 8th avatara is Balarama his brother, who wields the plough as his weapon (Haladhar, plough bearer).
In the song you will notice that each time Geeta Dutt sings the refrain the avatara changes as the stanza changes.

The first stanza is
pralaya payodhi jale, dhrutavan asi vedam
vihita vahitra charitram akhedam
keshava, dh^Rta mina sharira, jaya jagadisha hare

(Briefly means , O keshava when the world was deluged with the waters of the primordial oceans you took the form of a fish and brought up the world and upheld the four vedas by floating like a legendary ship on the oceans) .
At this point Geeta Dutt sings ``Keshava dhrita mina sharira , jay jagdeesh hare ``(mina sharira is ``form of a fish)

Second stanza
chalayasi vikramane, balim adbhuta vamana
pada nakha nira janita jana pavana
keshava, dh^Rta vamana rupa, jaya jagadisha hare

Meaning : O Keshava you assumed the form of a dwarfish boy and then became an astounding dwarf encompassing the universe in 3 steps driving Bali to the netherworld and anointing his head with the sacred water from heaves that emerged from your toe-nail)
Geeta now sings `Keshava dhrita vamana rupa, jaya .....(vamana was the name of the dwarf)

Third stanza
vitarasi dikshu rane, dik-pati kamaniyam
dasha-mukha mouli balim ramaniyam
keshava, dh^Rta rama sharira, jaya jagadisha hare

Meaning: O Keshava you took the form of Rama and with the approval of the 10 presiding deities destroyed the 10 headed ravana symmetrically sacrificing (giving him as a sacrifice) him pleasing all.)
Geeta sings Keshava dhrita rama sharira

Fourth stanza
nindasi yajnya vider-ahaha shruti jatam
sadaya hrudaya darshita pashu ghatam
keshava, dh^Rta buddha sharira, jaya jagadisha hare

Meaning : You have assumed the form of the Buddha who being kind hearted finds the vedic ritual sacrifice of animals at fault and even the vedic scriptures themselves doubtful. Hail to thee.

Fifth Stanza
mlechcha nivaha nidhane kalayasi karavalam
dhumaketum iva kimapi karalam
keshava, dh^Rta kalki sharira, jaya jagadisha hare

Meaning: You, in your final avatar as Kalki at the end of the Kali-yuga brandish a sword like a comet to eliminate all the barbarians (mleccha) and your deeds are horrendous to detail.
I have left out Geeta Dutt`s bit in the last two stanzas as she sings the last line always in the foreground.

There are actually other avataras described in other stanzas, that are not in the song, but present in the original poem (the boar, the tortoise, nara-simha, parasu rama, balarama).
Anyway this is a very rough translation and I guess to fully appreciate it you need to know the legends. But the song is sung with great feeling.
If somebody feels this isn`t good enough perhaps they can provide a better translation. I`m done.

#133 by subhashjoshi

One word that I don`t see in hindi is zunoon (passion).

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LOL:
It is Junoon. It is arabic/farsi/urdu

There is a reason for it. :)

Babur has written about it in his memoirs: The climate of Hind is such that it makes one ready to compromise, avoid conflict , and there is this overwhelming desire to surrender to the nearest foe.It tames ones passions.

P.s: written in good humour. No debate solicited here. subject closed. Lets talk music.

Re: # 132


One can say bhoolna has a wider connotation than bisaarna, then I agree. It can stand for bisaarna and also ``total oblivion``. That may be because it is used more commonly.

One word that I don`t see in hindi is zunoon (passion).

#131 by subhashjoshi

well not exactly!

Bhoolna is when you just cannot remember. Bisarna is when you you can recall, if prompted.

what a subtle & elegentl shair:
``Muddatoan guzri tiri yaad bhhee aaee naa hUmeiN
aur hUm bhhool gaeyn hoaN tujhhay; aisaa bhhee naheeN--Firaque Gorakhpoori.

Separate words exist for a reason.

Now there is Khainchnaa (to pull) and then there is Ainchnaa in hindi ( another beautiful concept word , missing in `urdu`/english). Do you know what it means. Banjaara sahib!

Re: # 128

``bisaarna`` is i think same thing as ``bhoolna``- to forget. Like there is this proverb : Beeti tahi bisaar de, aagey kee sudhi ley ``Forget what happened in the past, think of what lies ahead``

128:

anand MaTTHh!

RE: #111 by Banjaara

Saint Josephs, Dacca

I left in 1971.

Ras

Re: # 127
Echoboom
I`ve asked a friend to provide the translation to ``Ghanshyam sundara``. She is a Maharashtrian, so will do a better job than I will. Besides she has the actual lyrics. You`ll have to wait a bit maybe over the weekend.
I cannot hear the links you send on my machine, so I don`t know which is the song you`ve linked up . Is this the one from the film Anand Math or is it the actual aarti that you have sent?
Maybe somebody else can listen to this? I cannot. I use a funny machine with a funny OS at work. It does not allow standard plugins.

Swarrier:

Could you , or someone else, give me a good translation of this.
Jai Jagdeesh haray

I had heard it only once several decades ago and it buzzed in my mind in a ``bisraa``*(not bhoola) kind of way. Eventually I tracked it down 5/6 years ago.

* it is such a beautiful word. Uniquely hindi word. `Urdu` or english do not have equivalent or perhaps even the concept. [thought ensconced in slumber in the recesses of memory, but reawakened by an event or odor, sight, or whatever)

Re: # 125
[Come to think of it, I`m not a Joshi at all. It`s just a nick :) ]
That`s funny , I was ready to put you down as a Kobra.-) What a nick!!!

Re: # 124Swarrier & #123 Echoboom

No I`m not a Maharashtrian Joshi. Come to think of it, I`m not a Joshi at all. It`s just a nick :)

My favorite Beghum Ahtar ghazal is Merey Humnafas...written by Shakeel. I could never sit quietly while I listen to this one. It hits me in stomach.

My favorite from MSS is her Soordas Bhajan..``Maiya mori Main nahin makhan khan khayo`` and ``hey Govind hey Gopal``. And also her Madhurashtakam.

Re: # 121
Subhash
I think most of us were concentrating on film songs rather than the whole musical span. I like Begum Akhtar and MS too. Being a South Indian it`s difficult to get away from MS`s ``Suprabhatam``. As for Begum Aktar ``Rasm-e-ulfat sikha gaya koi`` , etc...
By the way are you a Maharashtrian Joshi ? If so you would be in a better position to translate Lata`s ``Ghanshyam sundara shridhara , arunoday jhala. `` for Echoboom

Ah Begum Akhtar! Vah Begum Akhtar!

She has yet to be surpassed in Ghazal ``adaaegy``. A ghazal is never ``sung`` and never ever standing--JaGjeet, are you reading this? Mehdi Hasan runs parallel, right to the top with her except that mehdi Hasan, because of his literary limitations, did not understand some of the ghazals which he sang . In a way it could be said that he followed the composers well and produced a very rich as well as diverse body of work. So in a way he deserves more credit rather than less.

The do-shakhaa timbre of the Begum was a treat & she just enthralled with her rare do-kanthhi alaaps. ``Khudaa kay vaastay ubb beiruukhee sey kaam naa lay``; and ``Kuchh toa dunyaa``.. are case in point.

Re: # 121

Sorry .....Beghum Akhtar.

And while everybody is listing his/her favorites from north/south/east/west, nobody has said anything about beghum akhtar and MS Subbalakshmi. Well, they are my favorites. Doesn`t anyone like them?

I could have said something myself, but I`m afraid I know too little.