Awaaz Dey KahaaN Hay

Allah rewards even those who lusted in their hearts but just did not have the courage to go through with it.

So it is for NOT doing, rather than doing something.:)

W`Allah Alim bil Ghaib [Only Allah knows what is hidden (to man)]

Re: # 150

[Even better stuff lies in wait for me across the great divide.]

Do you mean 72 ``yonis`` there? What have you done to deserve them?

#147 by majumdar

As per Hindu belief a soul has to pass through 84 lakh yonis (or life forms) before he becomes a human

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#148 by dost-mittar
ohmigod! I thought 84 lakh yonis would bring moksha

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haHAHAH haaa....
I very very happy with the four yonis strongly prescribed for me;and yet I need no Moksha.

Even better stuff lies in wait for me across the great divide. Adressing them:
`` Voh vaqt miri jaan bohut dooor naheeN hai``

Re: # 144
Echoboom
If we do not preserve our folk music it is in danger of dying out. In our society folk music was handed down within families or within castes whose occupation amongst others was the creation of music. There are no patrons of this anymore. Every state and region has a wealth of folk music which should at least be recorded for posterity and of course to inspire your brown sahibs.

If not we will never have any record of this treasure. This music will stagnate and die if there is nobody to transform it into a living breathing changing thing.

Imagine , no baul singers in Bengal, no vadakkan paat in Kerala, no abhangs in Marathi, no qawwalis ... to pull out only a few regions.

It has already happened to our classical instruments. After Vinayak Vora I don`t know of any tar shehnai player of repute. Which new surbahar player is there on the horizon? How many rudra veena exponents are present today?

Incidentally speaking of folk music does anybody remember Rafi`s ``pipra ke patwaa sareekhe doley manwa`` composed by Ravi Shankar for the film Godaan?

To come back to Naushad there is a great Lata-Rafi duet in Shabab ``Man ki been matwari baaje``.

majumdar#147:

ohmigod! I thought 84 lakh yonis would bring moksha; now you tell me that this number merely brings one into human form. So, how many more does one have to go through to achieve moksha, presuming one does want moksha? (I`m not sure about myself!).

Re: 142/143

Vishnu`s touch while it pushed Mahabali into netherworld ( or pataal-lok of which he became the ruler) also made him one of the seven immortals. Some legends also say that Vishnu gave him the boon of being the Indra of the next cycle of the Universe.

Evolution does not seem to be incompatible with the Hindu scheme of things. As per Hindu belief a soul has to pass through 84 lakh yonis (or life forms) before he becomes a human.

Regards

I just found out the name ofthe leadgirl in Eeshwar:

Vijayashanti.

What an accomplished actress& dancer. I also learned that she got the best actress award for that movie 1989( Filmfare)

Listen to the number: Buj uthha ssansoan meiN--good music, very good lyrics. But to really appreciate it one has to watch the dance-song. I believe she is better than Vijantymala as a dancer.

ignore the previous post: this is the emended one.

Coming back to the Naushad/ Ghulam Muhammad riddle, can anyone elicit me any composition which was even a mediocre hit after Pakeeza?

I know for a fact that the Gunga Jumuna poorbi song, Nain lURr jaeeN was already a poorbi Qawwali, the tune of which too was probably adapted from an already existing ``earthy`` geet.

I am curious to know this because this mailaise of `brownie colonialism` where `paRRhay Likhays` have been robbing the ``red Indians`` of Indo-Pak has been running rampant. This extinction of folk-geniuses, a phenomena which I term as a ^devastation of cultural ecology^ needs to be addressed.

Coming back to the Naushad/ Ghulam Muhammad riddle, can anyone elicit me any composition which was even a mediocre hit after Pakeeza?

I know for a fact that the Gunga Jumuna poorbi song, Nain lURr jaeeN was already a poorbi Qawwali, the tune of which too was probably adapted from an already existing ``earthy`` geet.

I am curious to know this becausethis mailaise of `brownie colonialism` where `paRRhay Likhays` have been robbing the ``red Indians`` of Indo-Pak. This extinctionof folk-geniuses, a phenomena which I term as a needs to be addressed.

swarrier:

I have seen dasavatar performed at stage in both Kathakali and Bharat Natyam, including by Vyjyantimala. I enjoyed it more in the Bharat Natyam, because I still have to learn to enjoy the slow, sylised movements of Kathakali.

When watching das-avatar, one cannot help but be reminded of the Darwin`s theory of evolution.

Re: # 141

You are welcome.
Vamana was the name of the brahmin boy. Legends say he was a dwarf so I assumed that would be it. I guess it was to heighten the contrast as he became large. It could be small man too.
Incidentally the state that I come from , we celebrate Mahabali who was pushed down into the Nether world. He was an Asura King. It is our harvest festival. He was a good king but the devas were afraid of him. So they called on Vishnu to get rid of him. But he was given a boon to come back to his people once every year.

#140 by swarrier :

I just don`t have words to thank you for this.

My ignorant-innocent enquiry: Could Vaman be the humble small Man, and not really dwarf?
meaning Eeshwar appearing as vaman ( baman?).

I`ll be able to enjoy it even more & with repeat listening & reconfirming reach the ``kunh`` of it... a great arabic word (no equivalent) meaning the root to the ``atomic`` level..where it all starts..

Re: # 139
DM
I meant the Kathakali art form and the music accompanying it. I have seen Geeta Govindam performed as such. In Kerala it is normally performed in grounds around temples. Sometimes these dance dramas go on throughout the night. The atmosphere, coupled with the stories that you have heard as a child make it very compelling. You feel some sort of an other worldly presence at times.

I can never stop marvelling at the ingenuity of the human mind. To be able to soar to such levels, with words, with intellect, with art , with science, as to create such a feeling that one can almost have such a belief in a supernatural force.

swarrier#138:

``This translation does not do justice to the poem especially when you have seen it performed in temples. There is real feeling there.``

We Punjabis do not know much about these feelings, except to some extent in the gurudwaras.

I once visited the Siddhi Vinayak (?) temple in Mumbai and there was an aarti going on for more than half hour during which the entire congregation stood and chanted the aarti. I am not sure if it was in sanskrit or marathi or maybe a combination, but the atmosphere was electric.

Re: # 136
DM
Thank you. But it is not my work. I used a couple of dictionaries and a translation of the Geeta Govindam itself in parts. The English is mine, I wish I could understand the Sanskrit more. This translation does not do justice to the poem especially when you have seen it performed in temples. There is real feeling there.

Echoboom
At the end of the song there is this sloka.
vedan uddharate,
jagan-nivahate,
bhugolam ud-bibhrate
daityam darayatem balim chalayate,
kshatra kshayam kurvate,
poulasyam jayate,
halam kalayate,
karunyam atanvate,
mlechchan murchayate,
dashakruti krute,
Krushnaya tubhyam namaH.

This is Barbara Stoller Miller`s translation. I found this from a post by Neha Desai on RMIM.

For upholding the Vedas,
For supporting the earth,
For raising the world,
For tearing the demon asunder,
For cheating Bali,
For destroying the warrior class,
For conquering Ravana,
For wielding the plow,
For spreading compassion,
For routing the barbarians,
Homage to you, Krishna,
In your ten incarnate forms!