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Re: # 127
Echoboom
I`ve asked a friend to provide the translation to ``Ghanshyam sundara``. She is a Maharashtrian, so will do a better job than I will. Besides she has the actual lyrics. You`ll have to wait a bit maybe over the weekend.
I cannot hear the links you send on my machine, so I don`t know which is the song you`ve linked up . Is this the one from the film Anand Math or is it the actual aarti that you have sent?
Maybe somebody else can listen to this? I cannot. I use a funny machine with a funny OS at work. It does not allow standard plugins.

Re: # 128

``bisaarna`` is i think same thing as ``bhoolna``- to forget. Like there is this proverb : Beeti tahi bisaar de, aagey kee sudhi ley ``Forget what happened in the past, think of what lies ahead``

Ah Begum Akhtar! Vah Begum Akhtar!

She has yet to be surpassed in Ghazal ``adaaegy``. A ghazal is never ``sung`` and never ever standing--JaGjeet, are you reading this? Mehdi Hasan runs parallel, right to the top with her except that mehdi Hasan, because of his literary limitations, did not understand some of the ghazals which he sang . In a way it could be said that he followed the composers well and produced a very rich as well as diverse body of work. So in a way he deserves more credit rather than less.

The do-shakhaa timbre of the Begum was a treat & she just enthralled with her rare do-kanthhi alaaps. ``Khudaa kay vaastay ubb beiruukhee sey kaam naa lay``; and ``Kuchh toa dunyaa``.. are case in point.

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This is the least you can do considering the engaging dialogue that has ensued here.

Thanks in advance.

Echoboom

madan Mohan was a born Iraqui.

LoL .. I guess so ... Iraqi from Jullandar ... yes I get your point.

You know, in my own personal opinion, there has never been another to even touch Master Madan. He was much greater than Punkuj Mullick or K.L. Saigal in his time. The only person who came close was perhaps Ustad Amanat Ali Khan, but not quite. Madan was quite extraordinary.

swarrier,

Rock, Hard Rock, some Country ... basically ...

My specialty was Carlos Santana and Ritchie Blackmore ... some Jimmy Page though but too tough. Can`t play twelve strings.

Bahrat Vyas: what an accomplished poet.
Every line is no less than a Faiz or a Sahir!

and notice how C. Ramchandra has used whatever instrument for the crickets(jhheengars) singing.
aaj madhhuva

Vasant Desai I missed earlier: what a gem; I like all Vshantaraam songs/dances

Zeemax:

That Master-Mohan Link works. Just click & listen!

By the way: madan Mohan was a born Iraqui. Arabic ``step-mother`` tongue. Hence his ghazal renditions enchanting.

Swarrier:109

could you give me the translation of that Ghanshayam Sundra? Even if it is a paraphrase, or cursory or however sketchy. I know how to fill in blanks with my ``lingo-connection`` art.

DM:

Joti is superb indeed. especially the last piece where all the first three pieces are ``explained``

Jyoti Yashodha, Dharti Gayeea
Neel gagan Gopal Kanahyaa
saNwal chhabee jhalkay.

the use of metaphors is simply superb

Jyoti Kalash chhalkay

Banjaara,

We`re all connosieurs of music .. particularly it appears swarrier ... echoboom ... DM, mannyD and Jang, plus everyone else. Pity echoboom couldn`t succeed with a mouth organ. Well, I did slightly better and got to being somewhat of an accomplished guitar musician. Best compliment I received was when someone said in a bar in the NY village where I was playing that I could make the guitar `speak` :)

Keep writing on the subject and `mehfil taza rehi gii` ...

Swarrier, Jang, Dost Mittar aur Echoboom sahibaan.

Yahan to mehfil urooj per hai. Subhan Allah;)

I hope mannyd has got his answer from Jang and Swarrier. I wish Harimau could offer his comments, his knowledge about Hidustani and Karnatic Music is extremely good. I am just a layman who enjoys the ebb and flow of the golden vioices, be it dadra or thumri, khayal or dhrupad, and move on if the piece does not pull at my heart strings.

Mannyd #100
If you are keen to know the grammer and other technicalities of Hindustani raga, check out Rajan Parrikar, a noted expert on Hindustani Classical Music. His website is: http://www.parrikar.org/.

The silver Jubilee was 25 weeks, Golden Jubilee 50 weeks and Diamond Jubilee was 75 weeks of continuous running of a film in one cinema hall.

Ras # 89

I did my schooling and graduation in Chittagong, followed by post graduation from Dacca University. How about you? Were you in Chittagong or Dacca.

swarrier#109:

I simply love Marathi Abhangs but can`t find them anywhere on CDs (I generally hear them when some Marathi singers come here). I am going to India soon. Can you tell me of a place in Delhi where I can find some good Abhangs?

My all time favourite bhajan is Sudhir Phadake`s Jyoti Kalash Chhalake.

[The discussion has veered from Naushad; I think we need another thread to talk about Indian music in general]

Re: # 110
DM
I don`t know Delhi very well. I could get some for you when I go to Bombay. You will also find a Bhimsen Joshi CD with Natyageet and Abhangs at www.khazana.com. I`ve bought music from there before.

Echoboom
I`ll have to dig up the poem from the past, since I don`t remember the words and I can`t listen to it right now. I`ll try to do an adequate translation then. Maybe somebody else is in a better position right now?

Zeemax
Had no idea you played the guitar? What style, rock ,jazz, blues , classical, flamenco ......?

#100 by mannyd

Yaar I am a complete klutz when it comes to music. I cannot play any instrument except a tape/cd player...not even a mouth-organ. Not that I`ve not tried desperately. I cannot also ``understand`` music either & am completely at a loss with this raag-raagni or flat-major stuff. I can only ``feel`` music. Consider me like a water-diviner as compared to an educated geologist.

I do, though understand somewhat , good poetry & can appreciate when it gets composed by one who also understands poetry. A singer is simply a voice-box and there are not too many good singers who know poetry and/or music. Even the top ones. The raag/raagni practice is simply the tuning of their voice boxes a sort of ``yoga`` or `body-building` for the throat. One should not get too enamoured or distracted by them unless one wants to pursue that as a sole vocation.

This Bhajan from amarbhopali made a nest in my mind & would play on `loop` all the time. I had heard just a portion of it as a `fade` background in another movie. I jsut could`nt find it , not having a clue about it. Eventually I ``discovered`` it.

I felt real good then to know that this was the only Indian movie which has ever won a best-music award (1954) at Cannes film festival. I felt that as if I passed a test witout appearing in any exam. I felt like a somebody.

amarbhopali: Ghanashayam sundara

The ``vibrations`` or larzish of voice ( common hindi/urdu word eludes me) in this beseechment to the god is superb. Despite old recordings , it comes through.

The instrument sounds should never ever smother the voice-box. They must recede in the background when words are spoken. Would you not lower all sound to listen to the enes whose words you value?

Re: # 108
Echoboom
Sir, you have impeccable taste. This is a very famous song in Marathi. I remember hearing this song played in the neighbouring house, every morning , while getting ready to go to school .
It is meant to wake up Shridhara (Lord Krishna) early in the morning. Vasant Desai`s music I think.

manny, warrier et al
i am not trained in classical music either, except as a sometimes listenter. IMO many-many indian music songs are based on ``classical`` music, its just not necessarily that obvious. e.g. there is a song called ``sionara sionara`` is bhoop rag...i have heard a traditional sikh bhajan which must have ``inspired`` the song. since bhoop is 5 note, it sounds ``oriental``. its just that most hindi songs are mishra (mixed) rags..they absolutely use hindustani claissical prograssions.

also this recognising rag thing is fun, but not that important. just listen to khayals etc for fun. from what little i know, the following are easier to identify due to well-defined note scales (IMO)

yaman, bhoop, des, bhairav, bhairavi, malkauns

malhar and its variants due to structure

pilu i think uses a lot of notes..so actually not easy to figure using notes..its more about way its sung. a lot of thumri type light stuff is in piu, kafi, khamaj, bhairavi etc (sweet sounding rags).

i use a harmonium and guitar to play and (loudly) belt out the notes etc for fun (listeners hate it) ..but listening is the main joy. also if you have time, can join the local music school, they keep having concerts. fir carnatic stuff, your local temple is prolly a good bet.