Banjaara May 5, 2006
#92 Posted by swarrier on May 9, 2006 11:52:13 am
This is for our resident Turkish expert Salim Chauhan
In 1989 I heard a Turkish group who called themselves ``The Mustafa 3`` sing ``Awara Hoon`` at Club Passim in Cambridge, Massachusetts. How`s that for a meeting of continents?
In 1989 I heard a Turkish group who called themselves ``The Mustafa 3`` sing ``Awara Hoon`` at Club Passim in Cambridge, Massachusetts. How`s that for a meeting of continents?
#120 Posted by subhashjoshi on May 10, 2006 1:12:03 pm
Re: # 92 Swarrier
I happened to meet a group of turkish tourists may be some 20 years back in what was then west berlin. They told me they loved this song - Dum maaro dum...harey krishna harey raam, and started humming it together. Then one of them asked what actually did harey krishna harey ram means. I said it means something like praise to hindu gods rama and krishna. They fell silent for a moment, somewhat disappointed maybe, but then one of them lighted up and remarked, I like the song anyway, and again all of them started humming it for me.
I happened to meet a group of turkish tourists may be some 20 years back in what was then west berlin. They told me they loved this song - Dum maaro dum...harey krishna harey raam, and started humming it together. Then one of them asked what actually did harey krishna harey ram means. I said it means something like praise to hindu gods rama and krishna. They fell silent for a moment, somewhat disappointed maybe, but then one of them lighted up and remarked, I like the song anyway, and again all of them started humming it for me.
#121 Posted by subhashjoshi on May 10, 2006 1:19:32 pm
And while everybody is listing his/her favorites from north/south/east/west, nobody has said anything about beghum akhtar and MS Subbalakshmi. Well, they are my favorites. Doesn`t anyone like them?
I could have said something myself, but I`m afraid I know too little.
I could have said something myself, but I`m afraid I know too little.
#124 Posted by swarrier on May 10, 2006 1:52:31 pm
Re: # 121
Subhash
I think most of us were concentrating on film songs rather than the whole musical span. I like Begum Akhtar and MS too. Being a South Indian it`s difficult to get away from MS`s ``Suprabhatam``. As for Begum Aktar ``Rasm-e-ulfat sikha gaya koi`` , etc...
By the way are you a Maharashtrian Joshi ? If so you would be in a better position to translate Lata`s ``Ghanshyam sundara shridhara , arunoday jhala. `` for Echoboom
Subhash
I think most of us were concentrating on film songs rather than the whole musical span. I like Begum Akhtar and MS too. Being a South Indian it`s difficult to get away from MS`s ``Suprabhatam``. As for Begum Aktar ``Rasm-e-ulfat sikha gaya koi`` , etc...
By the way are you a Maharashtrian Joshi ? If so you would be in a better position to translate Lata`s ``Ghanshyam sundara shridhara , arunoday jhala. `` for Echoboom
#125 Posted by subhashjoshi on May 10, 2006 2:11:11 pm
Re: # 124Swarrier & #123 Echoboom
No I`m not a Maharashtrian Joshi. Come to think of it, I`m not a Joshi at all. It`s just a nick :)
My favorite Beghum Ahtar ghazal is Merey Humnafas...written by Shakeel. I could never sit quietly while I listen to this one. It hits me in stomach.
My favorite from MSS is her Soordas Bhajan..``Maiya mori Main nahin makhan khan khayo`` and ``hey Govind hey Gopal``. And also her Madhurashtakam.
No I`m not a Maharashtrian Joshi. Come to think of it, I`m not a Joshi at all. It`s just a nick :)
My favorite Beghum Ahtar ghazal is Merey Humnafas...written by Shakeel. I could never sit quietly while I listen to this one. It hits me in stomach.
My favorite from MSS is her Soordas Bhajan..``Maiya mori Main nahin makhan khan khayo`` and ``hey Govind hey Gopal``. And also her Madhurashtakam.
#126 Posted by swarrier on May 10, 2006 2:15:44 pm
Re: # 125
[Come to think of it, I`m not a Joshi at all. It`s just a nick :) ]
That`s funny , I was ready to put you down as a Kobra.-) What a nick!!!
[Come to think of it, I`m not a Joshi at all. It`s just a nick :) ]
That`s funny , I was ready to put you down as a Kobra.-) What a nick!!!
#89 Posted by Ras on May 9, 2006 10:38:44 am
A musical Titan has passed away...
Noor Jehan gained wide fame through ``Anmol GhaRi``
so the trio of Noor Jehan, Lata & Rafi owed a great
deal to Naushad (while not forgetting the contribution of
Master Ghulam Haidar here).
Thanks Banjaara for doing justice to a legend.
PS: Which school did you go to in E.Pak?
Ras
#88 Posted by zeemax on May 9, 2006 9:33:12 am
echoboom / khamkhwa
Thanks. I knew rcvap.tripod.com but the links didn`t work earlier when I tried. They work now. Echo`s site doesn`t show up on google.
His control over voice and pitch was like a sarangi player`s over the instrument. And the rendition of lyrics, quite unbelievable for a boy his age.
Thanks. I knew rcvap.tripod.com but the links didn`t work earlier when I tried. They work now. Echo`s site doesn`t show up on google.
His control over voice and pitch was like a sarangi player`s over the instrument. And the rendition of lyrics, quite unbelievable for a boy his age.
#86 Posted by dost_mittar on May 9, 2006 8:32:33 am
khamkhaw#80:
He (Master Madan) sounded like a female because he was a mere boy and died (piosoned) at the age of 14.
He (Master Madan) sounded like a female because he was a mere boy and died (piosoned) at the age of 14.
#85 Posted by echoboom on May 9, 2006 8:27:59 am
swarrier:
Some songs from Ashwani & Saza-i Kala-pani are superb. who is the music D? any link?
Khurshid-Anwar`s are on tap-just google.
Some songs from Ashwani & Saza-i Kala-pani are superb. who is the music D? any link?
Khurshid-Anwar`s are on tap-just google.
#87 Posted by swarrier on May 9, 2006 9:19:18 am
Re: # 85
Kalapani is Illayaraja, both Hindi and Malayalam.
I did not quite place Ashwani . Is that a film? Hint?
I`ll look up Kurshid Anwar. Thanks.
Kalapani is Illayaraja, both Hindi and Malayalam.
I did not quite place Ashwani . Is that a film? Hint?
I`ll look up Kurshid Anwar. Thanks.
#83 Posted by jang on May 9, 2006 7:36:42 am
salil-da was also ``accused`` of borrowing from folk-e.g. the bichua song.
#84 Posted by swarrier on May 9, 2006 8:11:52 am
Re: # 83
Jang,
Everybody borrows from folk. You don`t think every music director or composer comes up with only original tunes or works do you? It`s what you do with the raw material that matters. Chopin can take mazurkas of his mother`s Poland and build on that. Dvorak takes dances from his native Bohemia and works on them. Copland took stuff from Negro minstrels. Even Delius did that. Kachaturian and Stravinsky, Rimsky-Korsakov used so many Russian folk influences.
You will see less innovation as time goes on perhaps with recorded artists. Keith Jarrett once said that recording companies buy a musician`s soul. That is what happens when most artistes get established.
Echoboom
Salil Chowdhury also composed in Malayalam and Bengali (of course). There is a lovely Yesudas song from a film called ``Madanolsavam``. The South Indian music directors especially the more recent ones took a different tack from Bollywood.
I have not heard Kurshid Anwar since my old National Echo radio broke down in the 80`s. It`s a pity that the old recordings are not released on CD`s. At least if they are , I am not aware of them.
Hridayanath Mangeshkar, Bhaskar Chandavarkar, Vanraj Bhatia . Hridayanath was sometimes too complicated .
Jang,
Everybody borrows from folk. You don`t think every music director or composer comes up with only original tunes or works do you? It`s what you do with the raw material that matters. Chopin can take mazurkas of his mother`s Poland and build on that. Dvorak takes dances from his native Bohemia and works on them. Copland took stuff from Negro minstrels. Even Delius did that. Kachaturian and Stravinsky, Rimsky-Korsakov used so many Russian folk influences.
You will see less innovation as time goes on perhaps with recorded artists. Keith Jarrett once said that recording companies buy a musician`s soul. That is what happens when most artistes get established.
Echoboom
Salil Chowdhury also composed in Malayalam and Bengali (of course). There is a lovely Yesudas song from a film called ``Madanolsavam``. The South Indian music directors especially the more recent ones took a different tack from Bollywood.
I have not heard Kurshid Anwar since my old National Echo radio broke down in the 80`s. It`s a pity that the old recordings are not released on CD`s. At least if they are , I am not aware of them.
Hridayanath Mangeshkar, Bhaskar Chandavarkar, Vanraj Bhatia . Hridayanath was sometimes too complicated .
#82 Posted by echoboom on May 9, 2006 7:18:04 am
Zeemax:77
Master-Madan. His two most well known Ghazals. alphabetically--here>
Hairat se..
YuN na...
http://www.dishant.com/album/popular_ghazals.html
Master-Madan. His two most well known Ghazals. alphabetically--here>
Hairat se..
YuN na...
http://www.dishant.com/album/popular_ghazals.html
#81 Posted by echoboom on May 9, 2006 6:54:40 am
swarrier:
Khurshid Anwar, Sajjad Hussein, Nisar Bazmi, Bhupinder Hazrika, Pankaj Mullick, Ravinder Jain, and of course Ilya Raja .
The south Indian & Bengali scene is more authentic than that of Follywood (Mollywood--a thousand curse on the gora-slaves)
Khurshid Anwar, Sajjad Hussein, Nisar Bazmi, Bhupinder Hazrika, Pankaj Mullick, Ravinder Jain, and of course Ilya Raja .
The south Indian & Bengali scene is more authentic than that of Follywood (Mollywood--a thousand curse on the gora-slaves)
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