Awaaz Dey KahaaN Hay

dost-mittar:63

``ChoO sham’a soozaN, choO zarra hairaN, hamesha giryaN be ishq aaN m`e;
Na neend nainaaN, na ang chainaN, na aap aavaiN na bhaijaiN patiyaaN``

whatever you understand is enough.

DM sahib:
i believe that tune sounds similar to Mozart`s 40th. (opening of first movement).

#63 DM: I agree on `Itna na` song, sung by Talat. I thought it was a Chopin Concerta, but was only guessing. Other western rock tunes that were copied were `Come September`, `Sucu Sucu` and `Mast Ram ban ke Jindgi`. However to call it rampant plagirism is just exaggeration and bunk in case of Naushad.

On the voice thing, Raj Kapoor did sing one movie song and he sounds almost like Mukesh. I talked to a Chinese immigrant in her twenties recently. She saw Indian movies in open air fields with projection on white bedsheet. She claims that she was stunned and impressed by the openness, romance and songs of Indian movies. Her favorite was Awaara and she could even hum a few bars of `Awaara Hoon`...LOL.

Today AR Rahman is popular with little black schoolgirls in Uganda to teenagers in Tokyo, but probably the fifties were a different era. There was an almost volcanic wruption in creativity due to the British leaving, at least in Bombay while Lahore and Calcutta suffered irreversible losses.

#66 RawDust: Yes Mozart it is. Thanks.
The lyrics of `Na hum Tumhe jaane, na Tum hume jaano` are remarkably similar to Sinatra`s `Strangers in the night` but at least the tune is different.

Echo: Probably only a rumor started by Behram, but it is said that PatiyaaN was an acceptable means of procreation in Bihar. By the way where did you hear Naushad earned Rs. 25K per movie? SOunds way too high for the forties.

DM: Mughle-Azam was good, but you could see Naushad sweat it out to meet AnaarKali`s standard set by Chitalkar. In my opinion he could not. On a `Sa Re Gama` show, Naushad related how K. Aasif came to his house one day and plunked down 10K Rupees on his harmonium to speed along the music. This irritated Naushad so much, he threw up the bundle of notes in the air.
`Do you think money makes someone create music Aasif Sahib? I will not take a single Dhela until your movie has a golden Jubile, but please do not stress and insult me`

Raw-Dust:

You may be right about Mozart.

It was not just the classic, Mr. X`s ``Lal lal gaal`` was a complete copy of ``Rock around the clock``.

mannyd:

I agree. Mughal-e-Azam was no match for Anarkali in terms of music. There was nothing in Mughal-e-Azam to beat ``Yeh zindagi usi ki hai`` or ``Jaag dard-e-ishq jaag``. But Bade Ghulam`s piece was a coup. Indeed, Naushad`s win in Baiju Bawra was also not a cake walk, he had tough competition from S.D. Burman. That was the first year of Filmfare awards and the best music award was given on the basis of a single song - ``Tu ganga ki mauj`` was voted superior to Taxi Driver`s ``Jayen tau jayen kahan``. For anyone who saw both films, background music was better in Taxi Driver; indeed S.D. Burman, with his knowledge of both Indian and Western music, was perhaps the best background scorer of his times.

echoboom:
:)

Mannyd:

Naushad was a master salesman & self-promotor as well. He belongs to that class of people who stoop to conquer--and conquer he did. With 11 children to feed & nine girls to get married to some Doctor/professional types & some settled in US as well. The 2 sons, as is usualy the case, shrivelled under the oak.

Someone who regularly spoke to him on phone but more so during last fifteen days gave me a heart-to-heart lip-seal info. He was in hospital for only two days & was pretty chatty even there.

But the K.Asif-manto episode is really a beaut. manto was never maudlin or hyping type. Naushad was. ...well Naushad.

Better late than never.

Our childhood was without TV. It was radio (Radio Ceylon) & that gramaphone with dog.

And it was this music that put colour and romance into our lives. Superb mix of poetry & music.

Frankly, many years later, when VCR came and we saw the same songs being sung in the movies, it was a bit of disappointment. Neither the Hero nor the Heroine deserved to sing them.

Naushad, Thanks. You made my life richer and so beautiful.

nhk

Salim_Chauhan:

Someone wants you in ooper vali manzil: 4th mala from top, one above this one.

please repatriate yourself back to Pakistan. We need you.

See you there!

DM #69: Thanks for the info. I was too young to appreciate Pukka Raags in India and now I am too old to learn new tricks... LOL.
But between the Alaaps, Khayals and gargling sounds, it is very difficult for an untrained ear to understand what words the Pakka Raagi is trying to spit out.
Actually came to know about Bade Gulam and his fees on Chowk. Yes he was good.

I think the 55 or 56 Filmfare award was won by S.J. for `Ye raaat Bheegi Bheegi`. On the background music specially for SJ movies, it used to be fun to see how it becomes another song tune in another movie.

#70 Echo: Thanks for the info.

# 71 NHK: ``Neither the Hero nor the Heroine deserved to sing them.``
HAHAHAHA...LOL.
Well in most cases but not always.
The only Indian movie to ever win an Oscar was designed to showcase Nargis as an actoress and she was just superb and larger than life itself. People from Mexico, Bolivia and Argentina still remember her and the movie.
However it is advisable to say ` That Asha Parikh looks so fat there. Is that her or our TV?`, when you are watching it with your wife.

#63 by dost-mittar on May 8, 2006 6:17pm PT
swarrier#56:

Hemant Kumar`s ``Itna na mujh se tu pyaar badha, kay main ik baadal awaara`` is actually a plagiarisation of a Bach composition. [believe it or not!].

DM Bhai, that song is an almost exact copy of Mozart`s symphony #9, and it is not Hemant Kumar but Talat Mehmood :)

Who was the music director guilty here?

Zeemax:74

Yes Talat indeed.

Salil Choudhry...the one who acquired foreign ``education`` in music...like the fizzled-out A.R.Rehman

zeemax, mannyd:

You guys are right; my memory is playing the old trick on me. I was mixing the song in my mind with another one by Hemant Kumar from the film Police (I think!). That song was ``Aa ja zara meray dil ke sahare dilruba`` - the music was also by Hemant.

Yes, ``itna na`` was sung by Talat and Lata and the music director was Salil Chaudhry.

On the subject, does anyone have any information on that little genius Master Madan? A link would be even more appreciated.

Re: # 63
Dost-Mittar
``Itna ta muhjse tu pyar bada`` is not a plagiarisation of Bach. The first 8 bars in the song are actually a variation of Morzarts 40th Symphony in G minor. This song is by Salil Chowdhury from the film ``Chaya``. Salil himself said that he used these musical lines from Mozart in an interview a long time ago.
If you will pay attention you will realise it is not a direct lift. The Morzartian melody is more complicated because of the second violins and the flutes. The rest of the song moves on a completely different phase.

Re: # 75
[Salil Choudhry...the one who acquired foreign ``education`` in music...like the fizzled-out A.R.Rehman]

I would not compare Salil Chowdhury with A R Rahman. Salil`s compositions are far more complicated and so is the background music in his movies. It is not easy to sing a Salil-da composition. Even Rafi had a lot of difficulty with the rapidly changing scales. He composed simple songs for Mukesh and Talat to suit their ranges more complicated ones for Manna Dey and the real goods for Lata. If I had to choose the top 3 music directors in Hindi films, I would choose Madan Mohan , Salil Chowdhury and Sajjad Hussain. Of course this is a purely subjective opinion.
It is a pity that Sajjad does not have as large a body of work as the others. He was less diplomatic than some, otherwise perhaps we would have had some more wonderful melodies.

If you are looking at modern music directors, I have seen very few to compare with Illyaraja. Rehman does not even approach his shoe-laces yet. By the way Rehman`s body of work in Tamil & Malayalam especially when sticking to folk inspired melodies is better than his Hindi film work.

#77
...are you guys really neanderthals...? you wanted information on master madan, i googled and out comes this female singing something which sounds urdu but...here...enjoy it and learn to google if nothing else...;)

master madan