Miracles Can Happen

Re: # 41

Yes..we all have to start somewhere and we have control only over what WE do, not our friends or our Government leaders. Its a longshot and totally depends on the fact that people actually understand their rights and learn to give others their rights.
Its easy to criticize right from wrong but really hard to implement when we are the ones who have to stop doing and supporting the wrong.Like I said each person has to start from his/her ownself and its not that hard once you get into a habit of first looking at YOUR mistakes and correcting yourself, rather just ranting about others faults.
Be it for our country or our own character building-its OURSELVES we got to change first.

thank you sushee u r probably the first one who understood my point actually there are several points in the article but the theme is to support pakistan in any situation eradicate corruption by changing your self the focus of the article is to change urself in order to change this country and make the miracle happen unfortunately we dont like to change ourselves we just like to criticize pakistan
pakistan is like ur surname u cant get it detached from ur name ur identity and atleast my home
so i believe that in order to clean ur home u need to clean it urself i hope other pakistanis feel the same

``We need to improve our global image, promote liberalism not by putting aside religion, but by promoting Islam and its liberal image.``

I totally agree with that. Though, most of the people here are somehow relating Islam with the Hudood ordinance.Islam is not limited to the Hudood Ordinance. If proper Islam is followed there will be,InshAllah no need to implement the punishments in the Hudood Ordinance. Islam is about Morals AND Laws..like all us Muslims were taught in Primary school..its a complete way of life.
Rafay,good piece of writing but you should have focused on one main point and then elaborated on it,here you have written very less and not really cornered one point.
Wish you all the luck!
take care

its quite sad to see that for pakistan 12 billion dollars in reseve is a miracle, when just today marks and spencer announced profits of 7.7 million pounds in one year just from uk stores.

Do you really think Pakistan has progressed ? Infact Pakistan is going downwards. If you don`t know or don`t have an idea then go and see a person who has to live with his family with a max. salary of Rs.4000.

For some other facts, you should check the prices 6 years ago and then 15 years ago. Observe what is the increase in wages and prices ... you will if Pakistan really progressed.

Your word started with the economic boom then ranting.

pretty confusing. But pretty good for the 5th grader as easy to be forgotten advice.

i thought some statistics would follow through.

We get these advices from the advisors of Nawaz Sharif and Benazir. Pretty ironic isn`t it..?

Contact Jehangir Badar and tell him that your`e Benazir remote relative and he would be laying flowers in your way.

Enuff of this sick advises. Do away with democracy first, you claim the 12 Billion foreign reserves in the Army regime and NOT the democratic regime.

Hasan,

It was only a few years ago that pakistanis used to say that there are only a very few fundoos in pakistan, they managed to get only 3 percent votes, they are a vocla majority blah blah. Now you are claiming that nop one can be in power without their support. Nice to to know that fundoos make the laws of pakistan.

Do not blame Zia for the bad laws, assume responsibility as an educated pakistani and admit that we the educated suppoort the laws, we the educated do not take even a nominal action to fight the laws. We the educated dispice the ahmadias, we the educated do not even name the ``university avenue` on chowk as Abdus salam avenue``.

Manto mian,

(If the rest of Paki-land wants the Islamization ... then they can do it following a constitutional process which requires them to allow religious and political freedoms to others ... beyond that they may Islamize all that they want my friend- it is their right to choose a system of government of their choice. )

Islamisation as it is understood by most of its adherents probably wouldn`t allow any choice or freedom to dissenters.

Regards

``Eight killed, 20 hurt in Indian occupied Kashmir gunfight
OCCUPIED SRINAGAR (May 22 2006): Eight people, including two freedom fighters were killed and more than 20 wounded when a gunfight broke out at a rally in the heart of occupied Srinagar on Sunday, police and witnesses said.

Police said attackers, one of them in police uniform, sneaked into a gathering of hundreds of Congress Party supporters in occupied Srinagar and opened fire.``

this is from http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=428439&currPageNo=1&query=&search=&term=&supDate=

a premier bussiness paper in pakistan which calls LeT (a banned jihadi organization ) militants ``Freedom Fighters``.

RE:- #25
Jay

And people like you are just here to create HAVOC in the name of religion. You are acting like an authority in Islam and for Pakistan, who knows what we don`t know.

If you are wounded and tortured by Islam or Pakistan, then I can provide you with some ointment. But, I am sure you will say , oh, NO this ointment is Islamic ointment ....blah,blah,blah.


Your useless rantings against Pakistan and Islam are just waste of time. So, go ahead , waste your time as much as possible. No one will hear yaa.

Mr. Jay
{{{``The good part is that people like you exist only on the internet. In the streets of pakistan you are the ones who silently support the hoodood. `` }}}

It seems like you think that you are the only one who knows about the people of Pakistan. I guess because you are one of those fundos. Believe me, a lot of people here have been living in Pakistan and do not agree with you that most people silently support huddod.

{{{``Take it from me Zeena, majority of the pakistanis, the educated pakistnis especially support the islaimic stste. That is why hoodood has existed for so long, survived benazir, nawaz and noww the mushy. he has changed so much of the constuttution but will not touch hoodood. `` }}}

Yes Pakistanis support Islam and want to be good muslims but they want an Islamic state in the sense that they will be provided justice and equality preached in Islam. Most of the people however would not like these mullahs screaming for everyone`s head. People in pakistan dont mind Islamic ideology as long as they have the right to choose or reject it.
Hudood has survived because Benazir and Nawaz never came together and asked each other for help. They always needed or wanted the mullahs to support them as they hated each other and were not willing to listen to each other. If those parties would have come together they would have had enough support to abolish this hudood ordinance.

{{{``Hoodood is th ecentral tenet of islam. Murder or rape is not a crime against the state. Only blas-phemy ois crime against the state. Murder is not, some one has to complain to police, that too a close relative and that is why honour killing ecxists in pakistan.
If you are dare enough say that hoodood is the core value of islam and that is why no one touches it,`` }}}}

So what is the core value of Islam. That minority religions are not given respect, or that you can have anyone put in jail by associating them with zina, or shirk. Please enlighten me by letting meknow how Hudood ordinance is helping ordinary people.
You are attacking Zeena- Why- Because she reads Quran and does not believe in what those stupid dari walys tell her. If you read her posts then you will realize that she might be a better muslim than all of us (although I am noone to say that). So stop attacking her or anyone else for that matter just because you think you are above all of us because you believe in the stupid Hudood ordinance. Or better still go and read Quran instead of believing in these mullahs.

Re: # 25

Mr. Jay
``The good part is that people like you exist only on the internet. In the streets of pakistan you are the ones who silently support the hoodood. ``
It seems like you think that you are the only one who knows about the people of Pakistan. I guess because you are one of those fundos. Believe me, a lot of people here have been living in Pakistan and do not agree with you that most people silently support huddod.

``Take it from me Zeena, majority of the pakistanis, the educated pakistnis especially support the islaimic stste. That is why hoodood has existed for so long, survived benazir, nawaz and noww the mushy. he has changed so much of the constuttution but will not touch hoodood. ``
Yes Pakistanis support Islam and want to be good muslims but they want an Islamic state in the sense that they will be provided justice and equality preached in Islam. Most of the people however would not like these mullahs screaming for everyone`s head. People in pakistan dont mind Islamic ideology as long as they have the right to choose or reject it.
Hudood has survived because Benazir and Nawaz never came together and asked each other for help. They always needed or wanted the mullahs to support them as they hated each other and were not willing to listen to each other. If those parties would have come together they would have had enough support to abolish this hudood ordinance.

``Hoodood is th ecentral tenet of islam. Murder or rape is not a crime against the state. Only blas-phemy ois crime against the state. Murder is not, some one has to complain to police, that too a close relative and that is why honour killing ecxists in pakistan.

If you are dare enough say that hoodood is the core value of islam and that is why no one touches it,``

So what is the core value of Islam. That minority religions are not given respect, or that you can have anyone put in jail by associating them with zina, or shirk. Please enlighten me by letting meknow how Hudood ordinance is helping ordinary people.
You are attacking Zeena- Why- Because she reads Quran and does not believe in what those stupid dari walys tell her. If you read her posts then you will realize that she might be a better muslim than all of us (although I am noone to say that). So stop attacking her or anyone else for that matter just because you think you are above all of us because you believe in the stupid Hudood ordinance. Or better still go and read Quran instead of believing in these mullahs.

rf, xcentric...

Thanks for your posts...

Don`t fret these jays and others... they`ve been repeating their mantra for many years.

Rafay syed sab..
kya aap paki akhbaar padhte bhi ho ki nahin?
umpteen guys from shahid haved burki down have been saying all along..
The economic boom is only transient.
Pakistan does not have the infrastructural base to propel this boom on and on.
Most of the money has come from the financial institutions and funds have been coming into pakistan at american behest post the musharaffesque u turn after 9/11.

In a few years the loans will have to paid, and no more money will be forthcoming once the american window to wealth closes.

Mushy has already fallen out with bush as all could see last time.

Why this refusal to be be firmly on the ground?
why head in clouds all the time?

Yaar giroge to bahut jor se giroge!
lookout!
Jayen

mr rf786 and zeena i think u did not read the article i did say we need to get rid of fundametalism and said if fanatiscm was the sollution afghanistan would be free i think fanatiscm takes you to the dark ages i agree with both of you on most points but first we need to understand our reigion which itself promotes liberalism science and emphasizes on research and devvelopment so what these mullahs tell us is the exact opposite of what we r told to do by God. if mullahs had there way we would have still lived in india. do you think suicide bombings terrorism are islamic? i think no religion in the world promotes terrorism a muslim cannot attack any one unless attacked so islam is a religion for peace and thats what we need to promote

Ref rf786 #26

[Finally, take it from me a Pakistani, majority of Pakistanis do not care about the Hudood laws]

According to the CIA World Factbook, in Pakistan,

Sex ratio:
at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.06 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.92 male(s)/female
total population: 1.05 male(s)/female (2006 est.)

Thus you are indeed correct in claiming that the majority of Pakistanis do not care about the Hudood laws.