Rafay Syed May 20, 2006
#10 Posted by rf786 on May 20, 2006 11:45:34 pm
Re: # 7
You are most welcome.
Criticizing state policies is a must for healthy democracies, when ppl start censuring diverging viewpoints thats when authoritarianism and sometimes fascism slips in. Therefore, learn to take criticism, u do not have to believe it as long as u can find a better argument. Other than that enjoy life..
You are most welcome.
Criticizing state policies is a must for healthy democracies, when ppl start censuring diverging viewpoints thats when authoritarianism and sometimes fascism slips in. Therefore, learn to take criticism, u do not have to believe it as long as u can find a better argument. Other than that enjoy life..
#9 Posted by MantoLives on May 20, 2006 11:24:42 pm
Dear Hassansiddiqui,
My comment on your point no 2.
We need to support the constitution and the supremacy of the constitution.
My comment on your point no 2.
We need to support the constitution and the supremacy of the constitution.
#8 Posted by bbabu on May 20, 2006 2:18:51 pm
`` The recent economic boom is a testament that changes can be brought about just by taking the right steps at the right time. At this point people question you, ``Is Pakistan really progressing?’`` The answer is yes. Pakistan has seen the worst type of bankruptcy and then raised its foreign reserves to 12 billion dollars. What do you call this? Isn’t this less than a miracle? My observation is miracles do happen, but in today’s day and age you have to start them. ``
You are right. Miracles can be mirages.
The transformation of Japan from feudal society to semi-industrial society in 1880s was a mircale.
Singapore`s development in the 1965-1985 time frame was spectacular.
China`s transformation after 1979 was a miracle.
`` We need to improve our global image, promote liberalism not by putting aside religion, but by promoting Islam and its liberal image. ``
If the underlying product is solid there is no need to promote ``image``
#7 Posted by hassansiddiqi on May 20, 2006 2:03:21 pm
Re: # 6
I was not aware of this situation, thank you for informing me. But I still will not berate my own country for that. If you`re a Pakistani, lobby for Biharis, run for office, write letters and form support groups, but don`t blame the country. We have had the most corrupt politicians and they are the ones responsible for this situation. We need to have better leaders and only then we can solve this problem.
I was not aware of this situation, thank you for informing me. But I still will not berate my own country for that. If you`re a Pakistani, lobby for Biharis, run for office, write letters and form support groups, but don`t blame the country. We have had the most corrupt politicians and they are the ones responsible for this situation. We need to have better leaders and only then we can solve this problem.
#6 Posted by rf786 on May 20, 2006 1:02:29 pm
Re: # 5
Either u r absolutely ignorant Pakistani who has no knowledge of their country or you were born yesterday. Plight of biharis in former East Pakistan (Bangladesh) at time of partition continues to this day, 250,000 Pakistani civilians (Biharis) chose Pakistan at time of East pakistans breakup in 1971, they have been languishing in makeshift camps since then. The mere fact that u r not aware of this human tragedy proves my point that Pakistan has no vision for its people, everything must revolve around spin stories, latest fashions or tribal associations.
Try doing something? what do u think this writing is supposed to do? To educate Pakistanis in general about their country, point out our weaknesses, highlight our mistakes so we do not repeat them and make sure we can discuss issues in a civilized manner.
Either u r absolutely ignorant Pakistani who has no knowledge of their country or you were born yesterday. Plight of biharis in former East Pakistan (Bangladesh) at time of partition continues to this day, 250,000 Pakistani civilians (Biharis) chose Pakistan at time of East pakistans breakup in 1971, they have been languishing in makeshift camps since then. The mere fact that u r not aware of this human tragedy proves my point that Pakistan has no vision for its people, everything must revolve around spin stories, latest fashions or tribal associations.
Try doing something? what do u think this writing is supposed to do? To educate Pakistanis in general about their country, point out our weaknesses, highlight our mistakes so we do not repeat them and make sure we can discuss issues in a civilized manner.
#5 Posted by hassansiddiqi on May 20, 2006 12:51:44 pm
Re: # 3
Instead of blaming Pakistan for your problems, try to do something about it. First of all, I haven`t heard anything about the ridiculous allegation you have posted here about biharis. If you have references, please post them with your posts.
Instead of blaming Pakistan for your problems, try to do something about it. First of all, I haven`t heard anything about the ridiculous allegation you have posted here about biharis. If you have references, please post them with your posts.
#4 Posted by Behram1 on May 20, 2006 12:41:57 pm
Rafay Sahib:
{we are waiting for a 360 degree turn yet no one is up for the task}
This would bring you back facing the same direction. You meant 180 degree, I hope.
Respectfully submitted,
#3 Posted by rf786 on May 20, 2006 12:28:34 pm
Rafay Sahib,
Neik khayalath aur acchay ke thummana, nice ideas and good intentions, but what to do bhai, this is the same country which refuses to acknowledge citizenship of it own ppl simply becose they are biharis as if though they were the untouchables, yet have no problem in assimilating 3million fair looking pakhtoons.
Good intentions cannot change anything of the basic vision or business model is flawed, whatever changes we see are mostly cosmetic and geared to st appeasement, status quo must be maintained at all costs ie supremacy of army+mulla+feudal nexus which has been haunting this country since inception.
Pakistan was created for Islam or its people? that sud be the starting point, once we get out of that hole then we can start behaving like human beings, until then we are and will continue to act better than others.
Neik khayalath aur acchay ke thummana, nice ideas and good intentions, but what to do bhai, this is the same country which refuses to acknowledge citizenship of it own ppl simply becose they are biharis as if though they were the untouchables, yet have no problem in assimilating 3million fair looking pakhtoons.
Good intentions cannot change anything of the basic vision or business model is flawed, whatever changes we see are mostly cosmetic and geared to st appeasement, status quo must be maintained at all costs ie supremacy of army+mulla+feudal nexus which has been haunting this country since inception.
Pakistan was created for Islam or its people? that sud be the starting point, once we get out of that hole then we can start behaving like human beings, until then we are and will continue to act better than others.
#2 Posted by hassansiddiqi on May 20, 2006 12:11:38 pm
Thank you Rafay! Finally a guy who gets it. I have a few points to add to your ideas:
1. Overseas Pakistanis need to be actively involved in lobbying for issues that they care about - by funding organizations in Pakistan who are trying to promote progressive thinking, by spreading awareness about the UnIslamic Hudood Laws and by eventually going back to Pakistan and using their skills and money to bring political and legislative change.
2. We need to support Musharraf - every overseas Pakistani needs to vote for him because he is the most progressive, most pragmatic leader we have - the best after Jinnah.
3. We need to use our media to eliminate the political power of fundamentalist political parties in NWFP and Balochistan - for this overseas Pakistanis can play a major role in providing the necessary funds and intellect.
4. We need to ensure provincial harmony. We need to create an environment where every ethnic group in Pakistan calls itself ``Pakistanis`` first and Pathan, Punjabi, Mohajir, Sindhi etc afterwards.
1. Overseas Pakistanis need to be actively involved in lobbying for issues that they care about - by funding organizations in Pakistan who are trying to promote progressive thinking, by spreading awareness about the UnIslamic Hudood Laws and by eventually going back to Pakistan and using their skills and money to bring political and legislative change.
2. We need to support Musharraf - every overseas Pakistani needs to vote for him because he is the most progressive, most pragmatic leader we have - the best after Jinnah.
3. We need to use our media to eliminate the political power of fundamentalist political parties in NWFP and Balochistan - for this overseas Pakistanis can play a major role in providing the necessary funds and intellect.
4. We need to ensure provincial harmony. We need to create an environment where every ethnic group in Pakistan calls itself ``Pakistanis`` first and Pathan, Punjabi, Mohajir, Sindhi etc afterwards.
#1 Posted by wiseguyin on May 20, 2006 11:59:12 am
> If fanaticism was the answer Afghanistan would be free....
So, it is NOT free right now !
Per you, it was quite free when the talibs were in control .....huh ?
> We need to improve our global image, promote liberalism not by
> putting aside religion, but by promoting Islam and its liberal image ..
Dude, I got some bad news for ya...
So, it is NOT free right now !
Per you, it was quite free when the talibs were in control .....huh ?
> We need to improve our global image, promote liberalism not by
> putting aside religion, but by promoting Islam and its liberal image ..
Dude, I got some bad news for ya...
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