Insurgents at the Gate

Salams...
Truth always prevails. And InshAllah it will with Islam and its teachings.
The article was a good read. I especially liked the way you quoted passages from the Quran. The respect you gave to the Christian soldier and the Bible is applausible. This is the respect our religion has for other religions.
The article was short and precise. No nononsense and to the point without any accusations to any religion..which usually tends to become an issue with everyone and people digress and start abusing each others religions.
May Allah be with you.
Allah Hafiz

Very passionately written article, like many anti War pieces. Americans should definitely get the hell out of there and let Iraqis kill one another, like they did to Marsh Shias (10s of thousands) and gassed Kurds. The Sunni insurgency that is funded by Wahabi dollars is not going to go away any time soon. Meanwhile, Arabs killing Arabs and other Muslims is kinda pushed out of the way in media. Look at what’s going on in Darfur. I guess it is most convenient to blame the US no matter what the issue. Some jokers wanted to blow up Toronto. It’s sad that they got caught.

``There are no principles;there are only events.There is no good and bad,there are only circumstances.The superior man espouses events and circumstances in order to guide them.If there were principles and fixed laws,nations would not change them as we change our shirts and a man can not be expected to be wiser than an entire nation.``
- Honore De Balzac (1799-1850)

Never try to argue or act when everything is pre-planned.Simply calculate your odds and chances and act according to intuition.When ambushed the best strategy is to get the minimum possible damage and avoid being a POW and wait for the reinforcements or salvage squad.Every Nipolean has his Waterloo.

``...and there walketh a man with a free soul and heart full of contentment.Life smiling at him, come my dear! come and take charge of your own fate and fear not of the cursed rats envying your freedom and nibling at the chains tying their own spirits and bodies``
- Me (1972- to date)

Wa`alaikum-as-Salaam and Goodbye.May God be your protector and beacon of light in this darkest of the dark night.

#2 Kulharee, are you trying to justify a barbaric invasion of a country in which over 100,000 civilians have been killed needlessly, the entire infrastructure of a country has been destroyed, the probability that a person will get killed violently has increased several hundred fold, compared to your bogeyman, Saddam`s era using Darfur and the Toronto thugs? I have yet to see the media show an insurgent flying a F-118 making bombing runs, so whatever aid the ``Wahabi`` government in Saudi Arabia is giving is falling far short of what their opponents can gather.

When human rights agencies were warning prior to the Iraq war that millions might be displaced by the war, did this stop the barbaric invasion plans of the US? So why are they and you using the Darfur displacement, as if that is something that is morally repugnant to them? Damn hypocrites whose a$$ your lips are firmly attached to.

Is this some kind of an attempt to glorify the insurgents? Describing the insurgent (actually terrorist would be more like it) as handsome and kind, bandaging the American soldier after shooting holes in their Humvees and leaving food for them is a sick joke. In reality, the insurgents have been cruel and brutal. The cruelty perpetrated on American civilians (for example Richard Armstrong), beheading them on camera proves that these bloodthirsty maniacs are anything but kind and caring.

#5 harish writes <<< The cruelty perpetrated on American civilians ... >>

Yeah, American civilians are worthy victims well celebrated and sensationalized on tv while the ``unworthy victims``, the over 100,000 Iraqis that have been butchered by US airstrikes (in the most part) are of no consequence. Amazing morality we see on chowk, on the other thread Fuzair and Feroz are trying to lay the blame for haditha on insurgent tactics.

#6 by masadi

Yeah, American civilians are worthy victims well celebrated and sensationalized on tv while the ``unworthy victims``, the over 100,000 Iraqis that have been butchered by US airstrikes (in the most part) are of no consequence.

Masadi, please don`t try to bring in any equivalence here because there isn`t any. If the insurgents are fighting American forces so be it, but why pick on innocent civilians? Now don`t come back saying that American forces are bombing civilians because you know the intent there.

#7 by harish_hyd on June 8, <<< Now don`t come back saying that American forces are bombing civilians because you know the intent there. >>>

What intent? The war or the individual bombings? When you drop a 2000lb jdam in the heart of a city, you know that civilians are going to get killed and mutilated, their heads seperated from their shoulders, their torsos cut off. In what way is that morally superior to anything done by the insurgents? Yes there isn`t any equivalence. The barbarians attacked and occupied a foreign land, they are the higher criminals unlike the insurgents. If America was occupied American insurgents would also try to fight off that occupation. Because this barbaric invasion has destroyed all institutions of a civil society there are criminals who within this broad fight are doing their petty barbarism, their petty terrorism and their sectarianism, that in no way translates into the insurgent cause being wrong, or the insurgency not being a popular movement or the US occupation forces having any moral superiority over them.

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PS: A study published in the Lancet , conducted by the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, end quarter 2004, attributed most violent deaths which went up 5800% after the occupation compared to under Saddam, to US air strikes

Re: # 4

Masadi, as usual, and not surprisingly, is clueless. “Dsiplacement”?? haha. Like your hero Yazid displaced the young babies in Karbala. You have no morals Masadi and your motivation is not to see the poor Muslims (mainly non-Sunni non-Wahabis) live in peace, but you are motivated by sheer hatred of the West and you couldn’t give a dick about Muslims. You are the one to talk. Get a life you joker. Go help your brothers in need in Darfur, and soon in Somalia.

#9, Kulharee, nice tactics, inflame sectarian hatred so that the focus of blame shifts in an Ad Hominem fashion, away from the facts of the matter. Yazid is not my hero, I am considered equally heretical by Sunni and Shia clergy because I reject their traditionalism, and extra Quranic sources. Though the vast majority of the common folk among the Muslims are coming to see through the clerical bs. I do not differentiate between people based on ideology, Muslim, non Muslim or whatever- deal with the facts or shut up rather than trying to guess my motivations.

Re: # 8

masadi mian,

......... i would like to point out the efficacy of precision bombing in getting rid of iman-infested rats like zarqawi - it took a couple of tries, but in the end it worked .......... now we have to go after the bigger rodents like osama and his henchmen in their caves, ahmedinijad and the ayatollas in tehran, the bearded ones in mansoora and akora khattak, and the towel heads in riyadh ..........

........ i think the 500 lb bomb is the best negotiating tool when dealing with jihadis, wahabis, deobandis and others of their ilk ............

Re: # 10
Masadi, you think you have a free ticket to judge others’ motivations? Get off your high horse, because everyone can see right thru your bigotry without even a slight bit of effort. I hate fanatical Islam with a passion and make no qualms about it. The Islam of today is a fascist ideology and is needed as much as an overgrown appendicitis. You come here bitching about thousands of Iraqis dying at the hands of the Americans but when was the last time you spoke with as much passion about the massacre of Marsh Shias and gassing of Kurds (and over a million teenager Iranians killed – maimed by your hero Saddam, during the ten year Iran-Iraq war???). When you are tired of taking your frustrations off at Americans, go and see your own places and see how everyone (who is not follower of a garbage philosophy) is being treated in your pious lands. Did you hear about the verdict of a few days ago in Pakistan to an Ahamdi sentenced for writing a Kalama on his place of worship (I think called Masjid)? Perhaps your energies should be spent on correcting the ills inflicted on the Muslim world. You should be grateful to the Americans for cleansing the Islamic world where the Mullahs and the other keepers of the faith have turned the religion of peace into a monkey circus.

May Allah bestows a complete success to the brave Americans rid the world of Jihadis, just as they did of Nazis.

Iraq has been liberated from Bathist thugs, their remnants are either dead, dying, or on the run. It was only possible by the help of Americans, because the muslims are impotent and refuse to stand up to tyranny and injustice. I hope you are ashamed of the silence over Darfur by jokers collectively known as the Ummah.

Re: masadi # 6

What Fuzair and I are stating is the goals for which an insurgency is fought and the means by which it sustains its aims.

We never equated the aims of the insurgents or the reaction of the Americans to them on the basis of any morality.

I cannot speak for Fuzair, but speaking for myself, there is no morality in war and to bring a sense of morality into a war and to judge the actions of the combattants on the basis of a morality, is a self-defeating proposition.

Masadi, the insurgents may have a cause and they may have a reason, but they are not angels and neither should their acts be condoned under a thin guise of hypocrisy justified as morality. There are no angels in any war, because wars are fought by people who commit murder writ large and then seek to justify it under all sorts of reasons. There is no glory in war and neither should war be glorified under any illusions of a morality, because that is tantamount to justifying mass homocide also known as genocide.

Ciao

Many people all over the globe do not think that the Iraq war was justified. That it was an extension of past imperialistic policies of America. Even Bush was forced to admit that he made a mistake in deciding to go to war in Iraq. The West in general, has caused a lot of misery all over the globe in the Colonial era, and continues to practice its selfish agenda all over the globe. Much of the conflict we see today - Kashmir, Kurds/Sunnis/Shias, Israel etc. has roots in our colonial past.

Nobody is denying that (or should, at any rate). But times have changed. What used to be racist/supremacist/selfish agenda are now purely selfish agenda. Much of the current geopolitical strategies in the west are now decided in the boardrooms of multinationals. The races have mixed, and today greed decides most things. And world leaders have learned from the past. Now they want to leave honorable legacies. Rarely, idealism tempers some decisions, but most times it does not. The U.S. involvement in Somalia and Bosnia had little to do with projecting power or with greed.

What bothers me about this article, and about Masadi-types is that they use anything they can get their hands on, to push the Islamic agenda. What does spirituality have to do with all this? Why is it that these people use these wars etc. to push their Islamic agenda? The vast majority of people killed are innocent muslims, killed by fellow muslims by car bombs etc. Why is that right? How does that validate the peaceful image of the insurgents? Why, when an elected Government is now in place (a far better one than the Saddam regime), are these ``patriots`` killing innocent Iraqis?

Of course the line ``Our religion does not teach us to harm our prisoners`` takes the cake. This, after so many beheadings of prisoners on video. They are merely following the example of good old Mo` who beheaded 700 unarmed prisoners and sold their women and children into slavery.

For all the lovely Hindus
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/5058840.stm

Instead of debating morality/immorality , the gora boot-licker scum would do well to invest in the bodybag industry before it is too late. The tailors & carpenters near the jacobabad airbase have already shown how dead-on they were ( Ha Ha Ha) [ as reported by a local].

The countdown a la Vietnam, the graveyard of the US thuggs, is on. Humiliation , defeat, and licking back its own vomit is foretold in their star-spangled palms.

Some super-power! lahaul-vila-Quwwat.

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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060706A.shtml

First Officer Announces Refusal to Deploy to Iraq


By Sarah Olson
t r u t h o u t | Interview

Wednesday 07 June 2006

Ehren Watada is a 27-year-old first lieutenant in the United States Army. He joined the Army in 2003, during the run-up to the Iraq war, and turned in his resignation to protest that same war in January of 2006. He expects to receive orders in late June. He is poised to become the first lieutenant to refuse to deploy to Iraq, setting the stage for what could be the biggest movement of GI resistance since the Vietnam War. He faces a court-martial, up to two years in prison for missing movement by design, a dishonorable discharge, and other possible charges. He says speaking against an illegal and immoral war is worth all of this and more. Journalist Sarah Olson spoke with Watada in late May about his reasons for joining the military, and why he wants out.

Sarah Olson: When you joined the Army in 2003, what were your goals?

Ehren Watada: 2003 was a couple of years after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. I had the idea that my country needed me and that I needed to serve my country. I still strongly believe that. I strongly believe in service and duty. That`s one of the reasons I joined: because of patriotism.

I took an oath to the US Constitution, and to the values and the principles it represents. It makes us strongly unique. We don`t allow tyranny; we believe in accountability and checks and balances, and a government that`s by and for the people. The military must safeguard those freedoms and those principles and the democracy that makes us unique. A lot of people, like myself, join the military because they love their country, and they love what it stands for.

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