Was Jesus Christ Married?

Re: # 48
neem haqim khatra-e-jaan...

Jay1 #22 {``We know how murderous the church is...(all mono-theistic religions are)...the inquisition in spain under torquemada is all too well documented to deny...
And so is the islamist ``wahabi purity drive underway now...
What europe did 400 years ago..muslims are doing now..
it is the darkest hour befoe the muslim dawn....
hope they re-capture their lost renaissance ...cordoba in spain! ``}

Jay,
I found your post very interesting and quite convincing. You are so right about the ``institutionalized`` monotheistic religions - Catholicism, Mormons, Wahabbis, etc..
We all know that the Catholic Church, manifested by the power of Rome during the last days of the pagan Roman Empire, as it was reinforced by the conversion of Constantine ``the Great,`` is nothing but an organization dedicated to maintenance of the myth. When you require councils, voting, state protection, inquisitions, crusades, burning at the stake, and organizational discipline with a definite hierarchy, you are left with a very worldly religion. Everything about the Catholic religion is manufactured by men, first Jews, then Roman, using Hebrew foundations, buttressed with Greek and Roman flavors and prejudices. You are so right about Islam being at the crossroads where Christianity was in the 1600s. Cordoba, Palermo, and even ancient Baghdad are sad reminders of a paradise lost by Muslims - when they were able to think rather than fume.

Here is a discussion of the article from a friend of Mine; he sent it by e-mail, not by an intention of publication. I am posting his comments with his permission.

Dear Akram:

How do we make our case to prove if Jesus was married? Here in your article, and I liked your article, we start out saying that Jesus kissed Mary Magdalene on her lips, which he might have, but that doesn’t prove that he was married to her. May be the disciples got offended because they felt that he shouldn’t have kissed a woman whom he was not married to.

I think this whole discussion is speculative and so was Jesus. We can only prove his marriage inductively by comparing it with the Jewish traditions and customs of those times, as most of the other writers on the subject have done.

As far as I am concerned there is no relationship between Christianity and Jesus although the use of his name is the main source of money for the evangelists and religious leaders.

I am not convinced with the biologic impossibility of virgin birth either. The same history that speaks of virgin birth also says that before Mary became pregnant with Jesus, she was a close friend of Joseph and that she used to visit him and bring him food in the cave where he used to live. That says it all. Joseph had many more kids by Mary after Jesus. Why one kid by the Holy Spirit and the remaining by Joseph?

There are too many stories. Either they are all correct or they are all fake. Most probably they are all fake. Jesus resurrected so many dead and finally was resurrected himself. Perhaps people believed in resurrection in those days without ever investigating it like the Muslims believed in Jinns. Both of these concepts never got erased from the annals of history.

Christians believe Jesus died on the Cross, Muslims say: no, he did not die on the Cross, he was raised to heaven and the Qadianis believe in neither. They say Jesus lived a long life, had kids and his final resting place is in Srinagar, Kashmir. There are books on this subject in the library.

So Akram, whom would you believe?

Iftikhar

Re: # 45

Zynab story is really interesting!

That sounds like truth coz we have a story in the Outlook about the FILs (Father-in-laws) romancing the DILs in UP (Imrana types). The women in UP told the correspondent that she is not the only case but every town and village had such stories of FILs ogling the DILs. The latest one in Orissa has similar story and the issue became so big that the imams in Orissa called it an interference in theri faith.

(The story is this: a FIL de-flowered his DIL. Local imam asked the husband the girl to Talaq her so that she would be the lawful wife of her erstwhile FIL!. When local court overtruned this, the religious heads and Muslim brethern agitated that the courts are interfering in their faith!).

Your story perhaps is the reason why it`s the religious duty to follow the prophet.

Re: # 37

Delhiwala Saab,

This freethinking is limited to commenting about others` wives not one own.

My wife is pure, others are whores!

#18 by freethinker

Author, you are mistaken in surmising what I believe and highly inaccurate in your perception of what I think of your motives. Your motives may be genuine but that is neither here nor there. Matters of “belief” by definition require a suspension of logic – whether or not logical explanation be present for whatever is observed. I disagree with your implication that religion is a natural need like hunger or thirst and that it is part of man’s evolution. There are plenty of examples out there where individuals needed no formal religion – what to say of “religious” doctrines – and went on to live long, happy and productive lives. An argument can be made that the “need” for religion is a need learned from others through emulation by those who are too weak to think independently, and driven by a need to belong if not from an outright fear of being left out! The level of formal education seems to have the least to do with such a “need”. Your perception that this site is teeming with “Islam haters” is also challengeable. There is plenty of established evidence out there for legitimately questioning some of what gets accepted as gospel truth by the likes of some “Islam pushers” (to coin that loose term) at this site. However, what this site appears to really be teeming with are individuals who are highly selective in what they choose to look at – people who invariably refuse to face the truth when the truth is uncomfortable – be it the sordid deeds of coreligionists or of Jinnah or of ISI or any other entities – and who instead are prone to fall into a “victim” mode! I disagree with the statement that questioning faulty basic premises amounts to being anti-Islamic – but such ``knee-jerk`` reaction is not atypical. The truth about Rushdie hurts but it is the truth nevertheless as is the reality of mass tolerance for that outrage.

Re: # 38

Bharat. Njoy this cartoon.

http://armyinkashmir.nic.in/images/big_cartoon29.jpg

RE#42 by shobig_sifar

Once again ...either Islamists don`t answer the questions........or hide behind some long-winded non-answers.....and if the push comes to shove you can always accuse the kafirs of bigotry...intolerance ...islamophobia......etc:-))))) very convenient......


I do not practice any particular religion but wish to respect every one`s belief as long as they play by equal rules.




Mohamed got sexually attracted towards his adopted son`s wife Zaynab....because of this his adopted son had to divorce her so that Mohamed could marry her....conveniently ... in order not to be condemned for sexual immorality, Mohamed produced a `revelation` from `Allah`, making adoption illegal and thus removing the argument against him:-)


Irrespective of whatever explanations Islamists may provide on behalf of Mohamed......



THE QUESTION IS IF SOME ONE WRITES A NOVEL ON THE ZAYNAB STORY...WOULD THE ISLAMISTS ALLOW OR PRACTICE SUCH ``FREE THINKING`` ? WILL THEY BE ``RATIONALLY`` ANALYZING THE STORY?



FIRST OF ALL ..............WOULD THEY ALLOW AN AUTHOR WHO WRITES SUCH A NOVEL TO WALK FREELY ON THIS EARTH??????????????

Gill sahib,

It`s nice to see someone studying Christianity or trying to understand it and then writing their opinion about it. I hope you find whatever you are trying to.

On a side note: I watched the movie and enjoyed it since I did not read the book. On the other hand my wife read the book and did not enjoy the movie as she stated that a lot had been left out.

The two of us are practicing Christians, Catholics to give you a better idea. However it never occurred to me that I should not watch this movie because it is trying to defame Christianity or better, create controversy. Hey the religion survived “Crusade’s” than this is peanuts to such a thing.

Dan Brown has a right to express his feelings however the movie does not sway my belief. For me religion is something more mental whereas I feel peace when I pray, peace that I may not get anyway else. I guess it is addictive because one needs peace and in this busy world I can only find peace in one place.

Ana, nice to see you.

Mr Gill,

If you are seriously interested in learning about Christianity, may I suggest,

A History of ChristianThought, by Paul Tillich.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671214268/sr=8-5/qid=1149625264/ref=pd_bbs_5/103-5960377-6524621?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Re: # 40 What Muslims believe by and large, or how they act int their day-today life is another debate best left for another day...and I am no one to lay any claims on behalf of 1.5 billion people of the world and on their rationale ...as for your question, I have already answered it; that religions eventually develop into mythology...that`s when intolerance and the concept of blasphemy in its current form sneaks in...

Re: # 31 No offence to anybody`s idealogy, and indeed Prophet Isa (AS) is as respectable and sacred a figure for me as He is for any Christian, and Dan Brown`s claims may not necessarily accord with what my religion infers about him, if it does. But the thing is even if his lineage is still alive, why should that make any difference to Christianity or its followers, Catholics and Protestants alike? Isn`t it the message that should hold ultimate importance rather than the messenger and his personal life? Even if the latter were to be, I believe `marriage` has never been a sin or an atrocity in Christianity...

Re: # 36
Question is what does Muslims believe/practice in their day-to-day lives?
I have heard your logic before many a times.

What would be your reaction if Dan Brown wrote a book about his marriage to Ayesha? Salman Rusheed was almost killed for merely writing about Prophet.

No disrespect, but dont think that Muslims have concepts of rationale thought and inquisitiveness as Westerners do or for that matter Indians.

Such like tabu subjects would be dismissed as either blasphemy or work of Satan. And then you would quote me a Hadith stating that Islam means peace and Light to the world.

Re: # 26 I am too complicated (for myself) yet simple for you...

so Kaura confesses he dwells in a world of hallucinations, his comlexity being one of them. End of story Gill sahib. :)

Gill Sahib,
Free thought should always be welcomed......

The historical Jesus was a good man ...a man of peace, and a gentleman.....whether he was married or not is immaterial.......he will always be worshipped by the Christians and respected and loved by the rest of humanity.......


HOWEVER, your ``free thought`` doesn`t go too far when it comes to Islam...and prophet Mo :-)......it is just nibbling at the periphery.....understandable since you will be suicide bombed...if you try...

Re: # 35
Folio:
I dont expect any answer on this majmoon from our able friend Mohammad. Though, I must say that you cannot put him same bracket as other Jihadis. He is relatively speaking a liberal, considering that he is from Pakistan; it is a compliment.