Was Jesus Christ Married?

Re: # 45

Zynab story is really interesting!

That sounds like truth coz we have a story in the Outlook about the FILs (Father-in-laws) romancing the DILs in UP (Imrana types). The women in UP told the correspondent that she is not the only case but every town and village had such stories of FILs ogling the DILs. The latest one in Orissa has similar story and the issue became so big that the imams in Orissa called it an interference in theri faith.

(The story is this: a FIL de-flowered his DIL. Local imam asked the husband the girl to Talaq her so that she would be the lawful wife of her erstwhile FIL!. When local court overtruned this, the religious heads and Muslim brethern agitated that the courts are interfering in their faith!).

Your story perhaps is the reason why it`s the religious duty to follow the prophet.

Here is a discussion of the article from a friend of Mine; he sent it by e-mail, not by an intention of publication. I am posting his comments with his permission.

Dear Akram:

How do we make our case to prove if Jesus was married? Here in your article, and I liked your article, we start out saying that Jesus kissed Mary Magdalene on her lips, which he might have, but that doesn’t prove that he was married to her. May be the disciples got offended because they felt that he shouldn’t have kissed a woman whom he was not married to.

I think this whole discussion is speculative and so was Jesus. We can only prove his marriage inductively by comparing it with the Jewish traditions and customs of those times, as most of the other writers on the subject have done.

As far as I am concerned there is no relationship between Christianity and Jesus although the use of his name is the main source of money for the evangelists and religious leaders.

I am not convinced with the biologic impossibility of virgin birth either. The same history that speaks of virgin birth also says that before Mary became pregnant with Jesus, she was a close friend of Joseph and that she used to visit him and bring him food in the cave where he used to live. That says it all. Joseph had many more kids by Mary after Jesus. Why one kid by the Holy Spirit and the remaining by Joseph?

There are too many stories. Either they are all correct or they are all fake. Most probably they are all fake. Jesus resurrected so many dead and finally was resurrected himself. Perhaps people believed in resurrection in those days without ever investigating it like the Muslims believed in Jinns. Both of these concepts never got erased from the annals of history.

Christians believe Jesus died on the Cross, Muslims say: no, he did not die on the Cross, he was raised to heaven and the Qadianis believe in neither. They say Jesus lived a long life, had kids and his final resting place is in Srinagar, Kashmir. There are books on this subject in the library.

So Akram, whom would you believe?

Iftikhar

Jay1 #22 {``We know how murderous the church is...(all mono-theistic religions are)...the inquisition in spain under torquemada is all too well documented to deny...
And so is the islamist ``wahabi purity drive underway now...
What europe did 400 years ago..muslims are doing now..
it is the darkest hour befoe the muslim dawn....
hope they re-capture their lost renaissance ...cordoba in spain! ``}

Jay,
I found your post very interesting and quite convincing. You are so right about the ``institutionalized`` monotheistic religions - Catholicism, Mormons, Wahabbis, etc..
We all know that the Catholic Church, manifested by the power of Rome during the last days of the pagan Roman Empire, as it was reinforced by the conversion of Constantine ``the Great,`` is nothing but an organization dedicated to maintenance of the myth. When you require councils, voting, state protection, inquisitions, crusades, burning at the stake, and organizational discipline with a definite hierarchy, you are left with a very worldly religion. Everything about the Catholic religion is manufactured by men, first Jews, then Roman, using Hebrew foundations, buttressed with Greek and Roman flavors and prejudices. You are so right about Islam being at the crossroads where Christianity was in the 1600s. Cordoba, Palermo, and even ancient Baghdad are sad reminders of a paradise lost by Muslims - when they were able to think rather than fume.

Re: # 48
neem haqim khatra-e-jaan...

Re: # 52

Delhiwala ji,

I dont know that language. Wud u pl expalin it to me?

Folio.

Was Jesus married? Was Mohammed a Mormon?

#54, Didn`t you watch Big Love?

Re: # 50
By the same logic, people can question if Prophet Mohmamad received his voices from Allah or not??????

Right.....

Re: # 56

He can`t answer that or it looks like he is blind. Pl send your query in Braille.

Re: # 56

Delhiwala saab,

I don`t think Mo was a cave-dweller. Moreover Allah is not a bat, fox nor a devil to be inside and talk from a cave. Why dont you use your free-thinking and specualte as to why he(?) chose to speak from a cave.

#58, VRV,
If Allah prefers to talk from a cave He can do that because He is Almighty. :)

In the heat of Arabia, a cave is a nice cool place - not just for bats, foxes, or devils. :)

Also, it was the Angel Gabe who spoke to Mo (PBUH) and not Allah himself. But then, the whole thing could have been a vision instead of reality - who knows?

Re: # 59

Thanks Salimbhai.

Desert and cool place. Yes sounds logical.

I am expecting the freethinker to come out his paralysis and respond to our Delhiwala.

Re: # 56
Readers: I am merely asking a question. In no way I am making fun of any Religion.
I understand that some readers with agendas might use my post to make fun but it is not my intention.
- thank you

Delhiwala & VRV
:
The title of the article is ``Was Jesus Christ Married?`` I have tried responding to the questions which were relevant to my article and were pertinent. You are bringing in Mohammad and issues related to him in your discussion, which have nothing to do with my article. If you believe your issues are so very important why don`t you write about them yourself. You believe I am a half-educated person, so be it. You are better-educated and better-informed about those issues; so go ahead and write about them. I don`t take writing assignments from others.
I am fairly certain that you guys haven`t read the article, or at least haven`t read read it carefullly, because you`re not interested in that - your intent is to make personal attacks and degrade a person simply because he has ties with Pakistan and is a born Muslim - and hence a jihadi (in a degrading sense) and a fair game. Let me tell you one last time that I don`t care what you write because it is nothing but trash. And I am not interested in it.

Delhiwala:

If I remember correctly, you apologized from me once before for your trash writing. Aplogy doesn`t mean a thing if you do not desist from trash writing.

Mohammad Gill

Re: # 62

You wrote:

Let me tell you one last time that I don`t care what you write because it is nothing but trash. And I am not interested in it.

I respond:

Let me tell you one last time that I don`t care what you write because it is nothing but trash. And I am not interested in it.

P.S: I read 2 of your articles. One was on Salim Ali (I liked it) and other one is this one. As for Jihadi comment, I am not sure whether you are a jihadi or not. I know by experience that there are many good-sounding, English speaking, suit-wearing Jihadis (from Pakistan). Rational thinking applies not just to others for oursleves as well. I was impressed with your alma mater (Imperial College) but there could be exceptions. As Einstein said `` It`d be a sad situation if the wrapper were better than the meat wrappd inside it``.

It was very clear who`s thinks how. I repeat it for your convenience: My wife is a virgin, others` wives are whores! Rational thinking applies to judge others, not me, coz I am beyond judgement! We can kill others for slanderous comments on my prophet/religion but we can say anything to slander others (under the guise of freethinking)! That`s why (perhaps) Secular Web refused to publish this crap.

Marriage has frequent references in Scriptures. Yet when Jesus Christ spoke if it in reference to a divorce and celibacy. He said,

``Not all men can recieve this saying [celibacy], but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and then there are who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of God``
Gospel of St. Matthew`s 19:12

Later St Paul in his letters laid particular emphasis on this divine aspect of celibacy. So as a Christian, I would always doubt these conspiracy theories be it the Code or the Last Temptation of Christ.

Commenting on the evolution of the Christian Church is not as simplified as appears in this article by Gill written perhaps in a hurry and with a uni focus. Being a scholar, he should have followed the inductive theories on both sides of the spectrum and perhaps concluded with as many speculations. He shows clear bias, lack of method and lack of knowledge.

Nice to see you Ana

Cheerios