The Long War: Rethinking American Options in the War on Terror

masadi: I detached the part that related to the point I have kept repeating - namely, the opposition of the maulvis to the removal of slavery in the ottoman empire, while it was the brits who pressured the ottoman caliph to end it. I did this because you had earlier detached a part that left out the key thing, namely the mullah`s pro-slavery role.

So, 80 posts later, you are still trying to wiggle out of this one by pretending not to understand. What else dont you understand? Let`s see - you dont understand plain english or simple numbers (as you demonstrated earlier).

I am seriously thinking of having you transferred from Chowk to the School for Remedial Adult Education!!

Re: # 135

Bravo......the new knight from the United Jehadist Front on Chowk is indeed keeping the flag of his cyber Jehad flying high............

...Two soldiers of our Haditha army in Iraq have disappeared in thin air --

Yeah the report was that the two soldiers were `led` away ... hmmm ... wonder what happened to their M-32`s to resist their being `led` away. The poor kids must be pissing in their pants so were led away like stray puppies on a rope leash ...

This army is only good for joystick bombing from the air, or shooting 2 month babies in their mother`s laps. When confronted with real `soldiers`, they`re most obliged to be `led` away rather than fight. Cowards !

#133 tahmed writes <<< How is this different than what I wrote in #121 >>>

You detached a part of your post from its context, without which is it a mere bit of information that makes little sense. Don`t try to fool people on here, they can go back and read the posts

masadi: So you think you can slip away by digging to #50. Bad idea!! If you wish to go to #50 - then quote what I wrote there on this point I have been repeating over and over again trying to get your attention on. This is what I wrote:

`` in the 19th century , the west ended human slavery and put pressure on the ottomans to do the same - while the mullahs opposed it tooth and nail as being a western conspiracy to attack Islam (and it is of course implicitly sanctioned by the Quran). Saudi Arabia, as usual did not get around to abolishing slavery until 1962!! (all this is of course, now forgotten by muslims who never talk of resurrecting slavery anymore even though they passionately oppsed it in the 19th century). ``

How is this different than what I wrote in #121, except that it also mentions the wonderful record of the Dwellers of the Birthplace of Islam, the Custodians of the Holy Places, the Saudi Arabians, wrt slavery. No amount of wiggling and pointing fingers is going to change what I wrote above!!

If you dont like a fact, that is not enough to make that fact go away. Need I repeat Omar Khayyam to refresh your memory on this point?

tahmed in #127 <<< Mr. Masadi goes looking into #50. I see you have trouble not just with understanding plain english, but with comprehending simple numbers as well >>>

Your argument about emancipation started in post #50, without which all your other posts are senseless. Trying to weasel out of the position your bs has trapped you in? What else is new, Cheney and his gang are doing that ad nauseum as we speak.

#130 bharath: Try me. :-)

PS: Just make sure what you are saying is factual and makes sense. E.g. Trying to portray all muslims as terrorists does not make sense. Similarly, ignoring violence conducted in the name of hinduism while pointing fingers at muslims does not make sense. Kapeesh???

#128 yes indeed. :-)

Re: # 114
#114 by tahmed32 on June 18, 2006 8:18pm PT
{{{{I am a free man because I use my eyes and brains to reach my conclusions}}}}

Really!!!?

{{{{You are a slave because you are incapable of reflection, and therefore incapable of changing your views on anything}}}

And you are very much capbale of reflection and changing your views on many many many many things!!!!

America needs to realize that it`s at war with militant Islam and not terrorism..it`s at war with people like these

A War on Schoolgirls
Unable to win on the battlefield, the Taliban are fighting to prevent half the country`s children from getting an education.

By Ron Moreau and Sami Yousafzai
Newsweek

June 26, 2006 issue - Summer vacation has only begun, but as far as 12-year-old Nooria is concerned, the best thing is knowing she has a school to go back to in the fall. She couldn`t be sure the place would stay open four months ago, after the Taliban tried to burn it down. Late one February night, more than a dozen masked gunmen burst into the 10-room girls` school in Nooria`s village, Mandrawar, about 100 miles east of Kabul. They tied up and beat the night watchman, soaked the principal`s office and the library with gasoline, set it on fire and escaped into the darkness. The townspeople, who doused the blaze before it could spread, later found written messages from the gunmen promising to cut off the nose and ears of any teacher or student who dared to return.

The threats didn`t work. Within days, most of the school`s 650 pupils were back to their studies. Classes were held under a grove of trees in the courtyard for several weeks, despite the winter chill, until repairs inside the one-story structure were complete. Nearby schools replaced at least some of the library`s books. But the hate mail kept coming, with threats to shave the teachers` heads as well as mutilate their faces. Earlier this month, NEWSWEEK visited and talked to students and faculty on the last day of classes. Nooria, who dreams of becoming a teacher herself, expressed her determination to finish school. ``I`m not afraid of getting my nose and ears cut off,`` she said, all dressed up in a long purple dress and headscarf. ``I want to keep studying.``

Schoolgirls need that kind of courage in Afghanistan. Unable to win on the battlefield, the Taliban are trying to discredit the Kabul government by blocking its efforts to raise Afghanistan out of its long dark age. They particularly want to undo one of the biggest changes of the past four years: the resumption of education for girls, which the Taliban outlawed soon after taking power in 1996. ``The extremists want to show the people that the government and the international community cannot keep their promises,`` says Ahmad Nader Nadery of the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC). Today the Ministry of Education says the country has 1,350 girls` schools, along with 2,900 other institutions that hold split sessions, with girls-only classes in the afternoon. (Coeducation is still forbidden.) More than a third of Afghanistan`s 5 million schoolchildren are now girls, compared with practically none in early 1992. In the last six months, however, Taliban attacks and threats of attacks have disrupted or shut down more than 300 of those schools.

Most of the closures have been in the far south, where the Taliban are strongest, but schools are also getting hit in areas that used to be relatively safe, like the fertile river valleys of Laghman province. The rock-walled compound where Nooria attends classes is one of six schools for girls in the province that have been torched so far this year. The damage at two of them was so bad that they remain closed. In nearby Logar province, arsonists have struck 10 sister schools—all within 50 miles of Kabul. ``People are extremely frightened,`` says Palwasha Shaheed Kakar, the AIHRC representative in neighboring Nangarhar province, where at least eight other schools have burned. ``These extremists need to attack only one or two schools to send a strong message.``

The girls` school in Haider Khani village, just up the main road from Mandrawar, has suffered a sharp drop in attendance since January, when masked gunmen forced their way in and torched the place. Before the attack, up to 80 percent of the families in Haider Khani were sending their daughters to school, according to the principal, Fazal Rabi. An American military Provincial Reconstruction Team quickly repaired the damage and reopened the school. Even so, the principal reckons that only 40 percent of the village`s preteen girls came back, and only 10 percent of the teenagers. Parents dread what might happen on the walk to school. Teachers get scared, too. Since the Mandrawar attack, Nooria`s teacher, Farida, has traveled to and from school every day wearing a burqa and escorted by a male relative. ``Otherwise I fear my nose and hair will be cut off,`` she told NEWSWEEK.

#115, Tahmed4 {``the last but one sentence in #114 to masadi should read `` You are a slave because you are a prisoner not because you are bound by physical chains, but because of your own mental limitations.``
Now you can go an lick the feet of your Arab masters.``}

This piece of nonsense is coming from a Paki Punjoo racist who is adamant on denying the repatriation of hundreds of thousands of ``stranded`` Pakis in BD. This charlatan is a prisoner of his own provincial and ethnic bigotry and has the nerve to call others to lick feet. People of his flavor of hypocrisy have no business in telling others to lick anyone`s feet, especially his own - unless they relish the prospect of having athelete`s tongue.

#121 I wrote ``The point I was making is provided in the example to Rule 1 in #120.``

Mr. Masadi goes looking into #50. I see you have trouble not just with understanding plain english, but with comprehending simple numbers as well.

In the pre-9/11 world, an Islamist`s most dreaded nightmare was America`s potential to emerge as the moral torch bearer of the world; a Godless moral torch bearer if I might add.

tahmed writes in #123 <<<#121 Masadi Logic: ``He brought out the point of British opposition to slavery to show their moral superiority``

This is not the point I was making >>>>

That was exactly the point you were trying to make, you never lose an opportunity to do sajood to your ``gods``, the US elite. I reject them, you want me to submit to them, I do not.

Tahmed wrote in # 50 <<< this begs the question, of course, of what is the ``greater good``. from everything i have seen, there is no question that things coming from west have been for the greater good while things coming from muslim countries lately (i.e. in the past few centuries) have been for the greater bad.
in the 19th century , the west ended human slavery and put pressure on the ottomans to do the same - while the mullahs opposed it tooth... >>>

There, stumped again.

Two soldiers of our Haditha army in Iraq have disappeared in thin air -- captured by the insurgents in broad day light -- and carried away -- and we can`t find them -- no clues -- no leads --

no Iraqis -- like that Panchtantra famous Rishi Muni -- ``my eyes may have seen it but they they can`t talk, my tongue can talk but it hasn`t seen it -- are telling us -- if they have seen anybody with the two american captives --

this pretty much sums up how good our `intelligence` is -- and how liked we are in Iraq.....

.......Khalilzad memo or no Khalilzad`s memo....

#121 Masadi Logic: ``He brought out the point of British opposition to slavery to show their moral superiority``

This is not the point I was making. The point I was making is provided in the example to Rule 1 in #120. Are you having trouble understanding plain English?? or are you merely reading selectively hoping no one will notice?

The rest of your post is an illustration of Rule 2 in #120.

``The Russian public has a generally negative view of the United States’ foreign policy at the present time. Clear majorities feel that the United States has a mainly negative influence in the world (61% and 25% positive), view America’s use of military force and the threat of force unfavorably (74% and 13% favorable), and judge the effect of U.S. foreign policy over the past few years as negative for Russian interests (56% and 22% positive). Most Russians also have an unfavorable view of President Bush (59% and 25% favorable). Many other countries share the view that the United States has a mainly negative influence in the world, according to global polls.`` (WORLDPUBLICOPINION.ORG)