Ayaan Ali Hirsi and the Big Bad Wolf

``However, in Bangladesh, 12 year old girls are married off to 70 year old Arab Shiekhs ``

That is Halaal as in a-okay. Infact, honorable to get some brownie points with the prophet by following his example/ Sunnah. Echoboom sahib should put this as a third choice in his scheme:
burqah, brothel or Sunnah-e-Rasool for girl-children.

wiseguying:
one more thing: my only beef here is the open threat and justification of murder of dissenters expressed by Bina Shah. I really dont care what happens to islam and its prophet who laid buried under the grand mosque of medinah.

all and every kind of obfuscation on Ayan Hirsi Ali issue is fine, i think, but what is infuriating is to see ``instead got her co-writer killed``.

what koran, says on or about anything under and above the sun matters zilch to nonmuslims.

on a lighter note: you should check out the last 9 verses of the great Book. It`s supposed to cure schizophrenia or magic.

Re: # 327 raw
[....Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it....]

True.... Individual muslims are known to be honest, god-fearing - no ``chhuri in armipit`` business... :))).. but put them in a group with a koran - all he!ll breaks loose....

Re: # 330

Echoboom, no one in the West denies the problem of Human Trafficking. However, in Bangladesh, 12 year old girls are married off to 70 year old Arab Shiekhs for less than 50 dollars. The Arabian Gulf is as much involved in human trafficking as Europe, but you wont read that in Nawae-e-Qwaqt. The heads are firmly buried in the Arabian sand.

In Europe alone, officials estimate more than 200,000 women and girls — one-quarter of all women trafficked globally — are smuggled out of Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics each year; the bulk of whom end up working as enslaved prostitutes. Almost half are transported to Western Europe. Roughly a quarter end up in the United States. - Preston Mendenhall, MSNBC

and why is it the KanjarRs in Pakistan, the westoxicated clones, the 2-number maals, the subscribers to alternate-oriffices, the liberaloons, secularoons, & the munafiquoons are so eager & glad to be westernised scum.

Meanwhile:
women are turning to Islam at a surprising rate. While many have heard Islam is the fastest-growing religion around the world, fewer are aware that eighty percent of converts to Islam are women. Islam For Today even maintains a website with testimonies from Irish, Slovak, German and American women who have reverted, to use the Islamic parlance.

The reason for these seemingly senseless trends is that the godless faith of secular humanism, of which feminism is but one aspect, is a barren one. It offers neither the moral guidance and aspiration that is required by men nor the sense of security and affirmation that is sought after by women. Rejecting outdated notions of good and evil in its determined relativism, modern neopagans find it impossible to explain to the slaver why it is wrong for him to seek the profits to be gained by enslaving another individual, much less offer him a worthier goal.

And in an increasingly amoral and brutal environment, it is not difficult to understand why women deprived of the protections offered by traditional Judeo-Christian society – indeed, the very notion that they might need such protection is now perceived as an insult – should turn to a religious structure that guarantees them a place, however inferior, where at least they will be valued for themselves and not as inexpensive property.

When one considers that a pretty young blonde sells for between $700 and $2,500, it`s no wonder that aging feminists rage about the low value men place on them. You could probably get Gloria Steinhem for less than the price of a decent bottle of scotch and Catherine MacKinnon for a Red Bull and a pack of chewing gum. Naomi Wolf would run a bit more, of course, since a discerning master would no doubt appreciate her ability to advise him on his wardrobe.

The usual liberal canards about changing society and education are hopelessly irrelevant in the face of amoral greed, lust and fear revealed by these twin trends. This is not to say that there is no answer for them, but a fallen world that has already rejected the transformational power of Jesus Christ in favor of godless philosophy and unprincipled moral pablum is unlikely to consider it, let alone embrace it as the logical solution.

The human spirit, like nature, abhors a vacuum. It is looking increasingly likely that the spiritual vacuum of the 21st century will offer women a choice between the brothel and the burqah as their equalitarian dream shatters around them.

#312 H₂

[.. bina might have a better explanation for her irrational behavior .......]

Perhaps, but is is difficult to articulate it when one is running for dear life!

winston churchill was a very very wise man :

``Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. ``

....... that`s what i have trying to tell tahmed - he is a fine fellow, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.............

Bina Shah the prophet of Neo-Cons saying in 1899: - (you are welcome to come up with a posthumous fatwa on this guy`s head:)


``How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedans law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled,the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.``

--Winston Churchill.

tahmed:

i am very disappointed with your replies.

all i can do is take the horse to the water, i can`t drink it for him.

so stay in your denial mode and keep looking for ``directions from koran``

Re: # 322 by hamidm2 on July 5, 2006 8:27am PT

Hamid:

{......... with some exceptions most of these people are responsible for their poverty }

The key word in your post is ``most``. How did they become majority?

As for entitlements: Let us not forget Title IX which was brought in to support the feminine gender of this society in to sports. Some entitlement, eh! And please don`t forget the quota etc. that is always practiced to get the immigrants in to universities. And that is entitlement? Is it not?

{.......... most welfare mommas are fat and happy -} Agreed.

Have you ever noticed how discrimination works? when a group of mexicans work at the local McDonalds? and how they discriminate against a token white women working amongst them? I have and I witness that every day when I go to get my morning poor man`s coffee and sausage mcgriddle.

Have you tried to get contracts in the construction industry?

{..........if college students and illegal mexicans can find jobs, why can`t they ?......... it is because they have a sense of entitlement}

This is a society of youngsters and all young adults get their first jobs. Yes, and then as the system works, hatred and discrimination sets in. Mexicans have extended families, and get the support structure. So do Pakistanis. Look at how many families live in one Pakistani household. I have witnsessed joint family structure amongst Pakistani muslims.

O! and let us not forget the money laudering that is happening inside Pakistani communities, eh! All those ill gotten wealth in Pakistan are pouring into the US.

{.......... and the fools that we are, we continue to support them ............}

Yes, let us get rid of all the shenanigans. The ones that corporate America has constantly brainwashed people like myself. After all, I do support the Republican Party.

Respectfully submitted,

Answer to #217 wiseguyin:
Strictly atheist. grew up as muslim and grew out of it by halfway in my undergrad.

swarrier:
Mahound episode was, i think, all happening inside Gibreel Farishta`s head.


BinaShah:
Still no answer to this? `` instead got her co-writer killed`` If Hirsi Ali wanted to please her neo-con masters, what should i take from this? you desperate to please your dead cult-master Mohammad? I `ll buy that.

``I have done more research on it, written more on it, published more on it, taught about at university, than you will ever do. ``

This AH comes on public forums trying to impress gullible ummah with his two pence scholarship........he should buzz off and try to show off before his academic peers where he would be cut to size immediately.......

Re: # 320

behram,

......... with some exceptions most of these people are responsible for their poverty - it is wrong to blame it on slavery, discrimination, etc. etc.......... most welfare mommas are fat and happy - they are much better off than the poor waitress at the local diner who waits on them and puts up with their crap as they much on their ribs and fries ..........if college students and illegal mexicans can find jobs, why can`t they ?......... it is because they have a sense of entitlement and expect you and i to pay for their elaborate hairdos and nails .......... and the fools that we are, we continue to support them ............

Masadi said:
I have done more research on it, written more on it, published more on it, taught about at university, than you will ever do.


Please point us to your peer-reviewed writing/publications (preferably as the main author in the premium fora in your area). Self-published books on Lulu press do NOT count. I am NOT asking you for your record with publishing houses where commercial considerations count. Also, what university do you teach at?

You cannot bring up your claims to expertise on the basis of your academic record without putting it up for scrutiny.

Re: # 306 by hamidm2 on July 5, 2006 4:59am PT

Although factually you are correct, but the causes of these downtrodden people are not intrinsic. There is some truth to your assertion (just some), but you should not categorize the whole group of poor people as their own damn fault...

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 318

Ohh, I missed the action of last 24 hours............Asadi as usual linking single women poverty with their not following their godly ordained duties of changing the baby nappies and cooking for the masum Asadis of this world...................LOL , it is really funny when he says open any sociology book and you can see what the curse the god has put on these single mothers for not keeping the houses of their ex..............

I have seen this racket before also............Asadi will make fool of the ummah talking about Karl Popper and his falsificationism and the blind muslims would send him donations and sponsorships for doing research into the Grand Theory About Everything.................
Shore Sahib is right............we need to ignore him and he would go back to whatever religious study group he belongs to..........