Ayaan Ali Hirsi and the Big Bad Wolf

#410 by aangaara

I`ll just answer you in a bit.

#408 by tahmed32

Tahmed, the question was meant in a vile muslim-bashing punk manner. It was not a genuine question, therefore my response.

Re: # 407

zeemax:

``It is quite telling of your ignorance that you are unaware Palestine is a territorial conflict and not a religious one, plus you are equally unaware that Palestenian population includes 17% Jews and 8% Christians. ``

so as a paki muslim, why the heck are you concerned with the conflict???

its not that israel is occupying paki territory.

or did your mom tell you yesterday that the jews are occupying the land left behind by your palestanian father for you?

mr zeemax, I would like to tell u that being Pakistani means that there is more to your history than that blessed invasion of mohd bin qasim......... If u look back at the time before that you will find that ur great grand mother was also of dravidian descent....... what makes you proud of the culture of her turkish/arab rapists is something that amazes me. shouldnt u be on the side of ur poor great grandma?
I for one am very proud of my dravidian roots, and kindly do not whine about the hindu caste system when u urself are a firm believer in it.
This is vintage muslim behaviour whine about things, point finger at everyone, and when asked a question, simply bark like a dog.
Besides answering my earlier query I would also like to ask you if it would be okay for jews to destroy muslim greenhouses if it was a ``religious`` conflict............ and speaking of teritorial conflicts, what do u think of the Turkish occupation of cyprus? should the greek cypriots strap on suicide belts as well?

replace the question i have in #408 to: guess who just converted the chance to have a discussion into an argument?

zeemax: aangaara asks you your views about a historical incident (Banu Quraiza). your response is irrelevant to the question since his question is independant of the palestine issue or the religious make-up of the palestinians. and you add to that a racist remark.

guess who just won this argument?

#405 by aangaara

It is quite telling of your ignorance that you are unaware Palestine is a territorial conflict and not a religious one, plus you are equally unaware that Palestenian population includes 17% Jews and 8% Christians.

Go crawl back into your dravidian hole. Punk.

Re: # 402

Dear brother

Why are you so bent upon showing your upbringing?

If this is the level to which the educated can stoop then I think Pakistani policy planners are overestimating the power of education.

Bina Shah:

being an ex-muslim Ayan Hirsi Ali might have lied because Islam encourages lying, the practice is called ``Takiya`` and was used by your beloved prophet in the murder of a blasphemer ``Kab Ashraf``.
Judging from ur picture in which you are neither covering your head nor your chest, I am assuming that you dont know much about your religion. Look up this term ``Takiya`` and sing praise to your lord and to the practicalities in his message.

Zeemax:

What are your views regarding the slaughter of 700 jews of Banu Quraiza as sanctioned by your beloved prophet? Judging from your disgust at the destruction of green houses I am sure you would have something to say about the beheadings of the men of Banu Quraiza and the conversion of their women into sex slaves (as described in detail in your books of hadith). This incident is of importance because the beheading of jews and turning their women into sex slaves is the way of the SUNNAH i.e. the preferred way.
All thanks to Allah the palestinians do not have the power of the Israelis or some jew would be posting pictures of beheaded men instead of demolished green houses.

Islam is a religion of peace indeed.

This, is why a re-establishment of order is needed.



An Israeli army bulldozer razes Palestinian greenhouses Thursday as part of the military operation in northern Gaza..

Greenhouses are a threat to Israel?

Re: # 390 by masadi on July 6, 2006 10:38pm PT

{Further, when women divorce they suffer in their financial standing, not because of net worth but again because of an economic institution that offers them very little by wage and work segmentation and assigns the total care of the kids to the mothers both physically and financially while freeing the father for market activities.}

Not totally true. It just depends on what level of economic strata these split families were before divorce. For the most part, divorced women generally do maintain their economic well being at the same level with child support and alimony payments. And it is the men who get shafted, for the most part.

If women were that badly treated then why is their a huge number of women filing for divorce on the court dockets?

Masadi, get your facts and figure updated, and quit reading those books written in the 1950`s about the Power Elite.

Respectfully submitted,

Re: # 392

``yes. mukhtaran mai is my sister. just as any woman who is bad-mouthed by two-paisa types like you is my sister. just as mukhtaran mai is the sister, and all oppressed women, of every self-respecting man on earth. scum like you can only abuse women when there is no man around to give you scum the thrashing you need.``

[Reply to interact #392]

So it is as I suspected. You seem to be a , `Bharhua` brother, a production of Heera Mandi. That is why your indignation is directed against me instead of Mastoies, who `allegedly` raped Mai (I still believe that she was not raped at all and her `honour` is intact). It is quite expected of a Bharhua, who is co-sharer in the `Dhanda`, to express hostility against any one who may cast doubt on the service having been performed by his `Baaji` and her title to the benefits accruing thereby. I narrate here a story of a Baaji and her Bharhua brother to make my point clear to you:

A gang of dacoits entered the `Kotha` of a pros. They asked her to hand over her ornaments. She replied that those were placed in the locker. Then they asked her to hand over her cash. She again regretted and told them that her cash was lying with the bank. The dacoits got annoyed and a bit disappointed and as a last resort asked her to go inside. She obliged promptly. After getting fully satisfied the dacoits departed. The pros immediately began to raise hue and cry. Her brother who was perhaps watching all this operation came in. Expressing sympathy with her Baji he flew in rage against the dacoits and got in to get hold of his pistol. But before going out to pursue the dacoits he asked his Baji whether she would like him to kill the dacoits or to recover payment for the rape-service. Baji by this time had cooled down a bit and said to her brother, ``Paaji, what is done is done and cannot be undone. So you better try to recover whatever payment you can.``

But there is no choice for you perhaps Mr. Tahmad but to thrash all those who are out to spoil `dhanda` of your sisters by casting doubt on their having been dishonoured at all of which you claim to be sure as though you were an eye-witness of the entire episode, an eye-witness according to strict Shariah terms, seeing it(Mastoies`) going in and out.

P.S.: After I had written all this I began to doubt whether you are a male or a female or neither but.....simply a Bharhua.

#396 dullabhatti writes << OK genius, so they are only poor and not losers...but point remains...if a household consisting of a husband and wife is poor and below poverty line, how do you expect the woman to get out of poverty by divorcing? >>

Net worth does not define poverty in this nation, income does. Get your facts straight. The fact is that women lose their financial standing by almost 30%- using aggregate data, not only data among the poor which is much worse, while men gain by 10%.

Wealth determines rule of law in the US and how well you can represent yourself in this dispicable maze system, regardless of what tahmed writes. The abuse of law in the US especially regarding the poor and the african americans~ a third of whose young men have been labelled as criminals by the criminal justice system~ is second to none in the world as is the incarceration per capita in this so-called ``land of the free``.

Re: # 398

T-Sahib, I am sorry, but I do agree with about 78%. I would go and help anyone in need, man, woman, or Teshah. Your point is well taken; I just got carried away with my emotions.

#392 ballukhan: thank you, my friend. hope all is well with you.

kulharee #395 You know how our people are, and how their brains are firmly placed inside their ass. So you can give Teshah Sahib a little credit for being in line with the wider and collective thinking of Pakistani intelligentsia.

While I agree that in Teshah Sahib`s case, his brain is obviously located as you indicate - I beg to differ with your view that this is the way ``our people`` are. The ratio of honorable men to scum in Pakistan relative to other nations is not something either you or I have done any scientific studies on. So let us just agree to disagree in our perceptions. I will agree with you to the extent that the status of the weak relative to that of the rich and powerful is far better in the US than in Pakistan. And that is the direct result of the undeniable fact that the Rule of Law prevails in the US while the Rule of the Powerful prevails in Pakistan. I say this, among other reasons, on the basis of what I have seen for myself happen in four or five divorce cases of Pakistani-American couples: almost in all cases the husband tried to get a ``talaak`` in Pakistan, and the wife basically was given nothing by Pakistani courts. The wives in all cases then took their husbands to court in the US, where the courts basically separated the hubbies from their property and gave half to the wife.

So, to that extent you are right.

As for women defending themselves against men - what I am writing does not preclude it. If you saw a woman being beaten by a man, would you intervene to put an end to that (assuming that you are capable of physically thrashing that man) or would you walk away saying the woman should defend herself?

That is why it is important to work for the Rule of Law in Pakistan in whatever little way we can. Whether it is in supporting those who are trying to abrogate the Hadood Laws that violate in my view not just common sense but also the very religion of Islam on which they claim to be based. Or it is in taking a guy like Teshah Sahib and making sure his brains are appropriately re-located.

long post. sorry.