Islam and the Age of Globalization

Re: # 135

{One man, one vote, irrespective of religion. What more ``same rights`` did Muslims want?}

right of self-determination.

{ML leaders were mostly landlords and Nawabs. Please read up more}

If u r a landlord, nawab or pandith does that make u lesser of a person in any way? I thought we were talking about equality? ML was dominated by Jinnah and he was niether of the two. Yes, they did make political alliances in 1946 with the unionist party a feudal dominated party in Punjab, maybe that was`nt the brightest thing to do, but gave ML its much needed muslim votes in Punjab. At the same time, ML entered into political alliances with the socialist in Bengal, the most populace muslim province. Thereofre, your line of argument is niether here or there, maybe its u who needs to do the reading, then again that wud be presumptuous and rude on my part, therefore...jay ram ke...

#134 by rf786

democracy is about equality first, totally agree with u, then how come u do not want to give the same right to muslims of the pre-partition sub-continent?

One man, one vote, irrespective of religion. What more ``same rights`` did Muslims want?

As for the muslim leaders of that movement, they were as democratic as those who belonged to Congress ot other political parties of that time.

ML leaders were mostly landlords and Nawabs. Please read up more.

{There was nothing democratic about Pakistan`s creation, because democracy is about equality first and foremost and those who were at the forefront of Partition, despite the bluster, were anything but democrats.}

democracy is about equality first, totally agree with u, then how come u do not want to give the same right to muslims of the pre-partition sub-continent? As for the muslim leaders of that movement, they were as democratic as those who belonged to Congress ot other political parties of that time.

{But yeah, after knowing Pakis here, I`m beginning to feel a sense of gratitude for Jinnah (and more importantly Sardar Patel and Nehru for agreeing to it) for unknowingly having done a world of good to India.}

there is this famous urdu song which goes as ...`kuch log root ker bhee lagthey hein kithnay pyaray...kuch log`...kiun bhai, hum sey koi ghalthee hogaia other than the Paki creation thing? anyways, the fact u r expressing gratitude shows u have the ability to express human feelings, we can build from there....

BJK & Arjun,


Do you that this jahangasht is Bina Shah (who`s doing this expletives with ease!)? Wow, she`s a lady with steel b**bs and silver tongue! Bravo!

Friends! It`s admirable that Prof Ahmed did something unintentionally. He did cast the role of J, the real life blood thirsty beast with the celluloid blood thirsty beast i.e Christopher Lee.

We work hard and make money and the Paks too want the same training for them (at Bangalore) and are getting the necessary training here in our midst. Perhaps they too want to work off their arses and feel ten and half feet taller! Wish them good luck.

For Indian friends, pl dont feel for the vomit (Pakistan). You are not going to eat it again.

#130 by rf786

abay, juma juma aat (8) din huay naheen aap logon ko aur challay dunya ko samjhaney....u guys sud be thanking Jinnah for creating Pakistan, had he not u wud still be stuck in your primordial status as a socialist country.

There was nothing democratic about Pakistan`s creation, because democracy is about equality first and foremost and those who were at the forefront of Partition, despite the bluster, were anything but democrats.

And I agree with your advise, ppl sud not only leave others to do as they wish, they sud also be able to respect their right to choose, kiun bhai is`nt that the case in true demo-kratic principles.

Yaar, I can respect the choice of the folks who left on their own to Pakistan, though I can never justify Pakistan`s creation. But yeah, after knowing Pakis here, I`m beginning to feel a sense of gratitude for Jinnah (and more importantly Sardar Patel and Nehru for agreeing to it) for unknowingly having done a world of good to India.

#130 by rf786

abay, juma juma aat (8) din huay naheen aap logon ko aur challay dunya ko samjhaney....u guys sud be thanking Jinnah for creating Pakistan, had he not u wud still be stuck in your primordial status as a socialist country.

There was nothing democratic about Pakistan`s creation, because democracy is about equality first and foremost and those who were at the forefront of Partition, despite the bluster, were anything but democrats.

And I agree with your advise, ppl sud not only leave others to do as they wish, they sud also be able to respect their right to choose, kiun bhai is`nt that the case in true demo-kratic principles.

Yaar, I can respect the choice of the folks who left on their own to Pakistan, though I can never justify Pakistan`s creation. But yeah, after knowing Pakis here, I`m beginning to feel a sense of gratitude for Jinnah (and more importantly Sardar Patel and Nehru for agreeing to it) for unknowingly having done a world of good to India.

Re: # 129
Harish,
abay, juma juma aat (8) din huay naheen aap logon ko aur challay dunya ko samjhaney....u guys sud be thanking Jinnah for creating Pakistan, had he not u wud still be stuck in your primordial status as a socialist country. And I agree with your advise, ppl sud not only leave others to do as they wish, they sud also be able to respect their right to choose, kiun bhai is`nt that the case in true demo-kratic principles. Aur sunaye, kaisay wachar hein appke....akhir aap humaray parosi huway naa....

#102 by bjk

Of course, no one can predict the future of the would-have-been past, but it is the absence of minorities that seems to have done the present-day Pakistanis in! Like a fire, blind hatred and prejudice grow the fastest when there is nothing to vocally oppose them – to say, “Hey wait – that ain’t right!”

Beej Bhai, isn`t that something Pakis did out of their own volition? First, they chose to migrate to Pakistan voluntarily. No one who stayed back was asked to pack his bags and leave (Thank God, we`re all the more richer for it). Second, they reduced the minorities to second-class citizens, who to escape it chose to convert to Islam, which reduced the number of minorities even more. Third, they indoctrinated children to hate all other religions via their text books.

Pakis chose their own fate. Today they`re suffering because of the choices their forefathers made. The only folks you should feel sorry for are those who were born after Partition and had no say in where they were born but going by Pakis` posts here, they are even more vehement defenders of that old fool, so just leave them alone. Everyone gets what they deserve.

#127

The last line should have been:

``What are YOU – a behind the burqa, dumb-ass, illiterate, follow-your-mullah jihadan?``

#125 by jahangasht

Ama yaar, stop putting more lipstick on this character, okay? All those buckets of lipstick are wasted. His reality is quite obvious even to me – admittedly not the smartest of interactors!

And don’t give me that sob-story about his being a civil servant and not having discretion except to serve the command of his rulers – what the heck is a civil servant doing making rousing speeches to support terrorism next door! (Don’t give that lip about “freedom struggle” – even your boss Mushy knows better now than to do so!)

And the same guy goes around on Oprah (three times) “explaining” how terrorism has nothing to do with Islam – oh no, no, no – nooooo! The guy is a jihadi pretending to put on the airs of a peacemaker, the way it looks to me.

What a faker! No wonder he made the Jinnah film – it takes a faker to understand one!

And now I have ONE question for the author of this piece.

As somebody who has admired some of your work in the past, Bina, explain to me the following.

How can you respect somebody who makes “a rousing speech in support of the freedom struggle in Kashmir” willingly – sending who knows how many of your country’s young men (not to mention perhaps innocent civilians and Indian soldiers who are doing their job) to their fate of absolutely certain death and reinforces that vicious circle of accelerating nexus of jihad and dictatorship in your own country?!

This man motivates your country’s young men to die for fighting the “cause” of Islam – and you RESPECT him?!

What are YOU – a behind the burqa jihadan?

#125 by jahangasht on June 20, 2006 8:25pm PT


now feeling ten foot tall after working their arses off in software and call-centre sweatshops


That would be a mocking comment if it weren`t coming from the citizen of a country that`s tried really really hard to get on the IT bandwagon and has ended up being a miserable failure..

coming from a paki whose country only exports a piddly 70 odd million $$ of software a year, it`s just pathetic..

now go away and do the usual paki stuff...blowing up subways and stuff..

It is sad to see that every interaction in chowk degenerates into Jinnah -bashing and wailing over the division of holy mother India by the inheritors of the British Imperial Indian dream, now feeling ten foot tall after working their arses off in software and call-centre sweatshops across Bharat Varsh...
To return to Akbar
#41 bjk and #56 kamath
Akbar was not a `political agent` of the military government in Baluchistan. He was a member of the Civil Service of Pakistan, like ICS and IAS in Bharat now, and so held a government appointment as an Assistant Commissioner and later as Commissioner in Baluchistan. When ACs are appointed in tribal areas, they are called Political Agents, but the computer morons choking the Chowk confuse it with CIA or FBI agents....
Akbar did not seek the HC appointment, he was head hunted, and as a serving Civil Servant of the Government of Pakistan he had no choice but to obey orders.
When his energetic breath of fresh air gave asthama attacks to the Pakistan Foreign Office Mafia, which hates anyone taking their prized posts, the blackening of his name started in earnest with planted stories...
His Jinnah film was complete befor he became HC in London, and it was funded by private and public donations, fully audited, and not by state funds.
When anti-Akbar lobby got the General`s ear, and he was abruptly recalled to a desk job in Islamabad, also known as Khudday Line in bureaucratic jargon, he preferred to resign from the Civil Service of Pakistan in protest at his shabby treatment...
It is interesting to note and I challenge anyone to find a single statement made by him in favour of the General, now a darling of the West and Bharat, or in favour of the benefits of military rule in Pakistan, during his short tenure as the High Commissioner. No doubt it also added to the fury of the Commando General.
He in fact started his community contacts by not arranging a usual free-booze cocktail party, but by visiting the ShahJahan Mosque and Madrassah during Ramadan, and that too on a Friday, and made a rousing speech in support of the freedom struggle in Kashmir, which had cost 70,000 lives by then, which got approving applause from all the assembled British civil and police dignitaries, standing shoeless and hungry in the Mosque , waiting for Iftaar!

See how time changes!

And you doubt his sincerity? Tut tut!

58 by Urstruly

You are right this time Urstruly. I wonder no body speaks against the Oil cartel of the OEC which is impoverishing the non-oil third world countries. Use of oil as a political weapon which the Muslim oil exporting countries intended to use against the West is actually hitting the already poor Muslim countries especially Pakistan very badly. I had even heard Z.A. Bhutto, the avowed lover of `Awaam`, exhorting the oil-rich countries to increase the price of oil all the more, in a public meeting. The corrupt politicians who are day in and day out criticising the Paki sugar mill owners for increasing the price of sugar do not say any thing against the international oil cartel but they do try to ensure to check the `smuggling` of the only exportable commodity of some non-oil countries of the Third World. What a pity!

Sure the jihadis are a minotiry but the majority of muslims are the enablers of the few jihadis..which is what makes muslims different from every other group..

Take the example of the canuckistani-paki jihadis..the people in the mosque let him spew the jihadi BS because he took out the trash and cleaned the rugs? give ma a friking break..

School Ties Link Alleged Plotters

Khalid and the others began attending a mosque together, teacher Ahmed Amiruddin told CBC Radio last week. ``They would enter into the mosque to pray. They would come in military fatigues,`` he said. ``It looked to me like they were watching a lot of these Chechnyan jihad videos online.``

Gradually, they gravitated to the Al-Rahman Islamic Center, a storefront mosque in a small strip mall in Mississauga. There they met Qayyam Abdul Jamal, 43, a taciturn Pakistani native with an angry view of the world. He cleaned the rugs and took out the trash at the mosque. For those services, the directors tolerated his vitriolic speeches that portrayed Muslims as oppressed by the West, according to people familiar with the mosque.

``Many people who worked with him thought he was just a loudmouth,`` said Tariq Shah, a lawyer who represents the mosque. ``In retrospect, maybe it was wrong that he wasn`t taken more seriously.``

..It was heartening to hear Professor Ahmed speak so engagingly to his audience about the project that he has taken on with the same passion as his previous ones: sponsored by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, the Brookings Institution, and American University’s School of International Service, the project aims to find out how Muslims think in the age of globalization; who speaks for Muslims, how technology affects them, and who is being afforded legitimacy in Muslim leadership today.

Pew Forum should also sponsor projects to find out how Hindus/Jews/Christians/atheists/Buddhists/Aborigines think in the age of globalization, how technology affects them etc.. :-) What a load of crap..

Seriously, they should also sponsor a project to find out what non-Muslims think about Islam now.. and publish the results.. :-)

I think it is very important that we learn to appreciate the difference between fundamentalist fanatic muslims and secular moderate muslims.

Pay close attention to this story >>

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Muslim girl tonsured for relationship with Hindu boy

NewIndPress.com


A minor Muslim girl was tonsured by a group of people on June 11 for falling in love with a Hindu boy at Kallakurichi, Kerala.

According to a delayed report, the girl`s father did not object to it and indeed favoured their marriage after the 16-year-old turned 18.

The family of the boy, also 16, too agreed to the marriage.

But a group of local Muslims chided her and advised to sever her relations with the boy. This was despite her father advising a section of the group not to interfere as it was their family matter.

On June 11, when the group saw the two together, they dragged the girl, beat her and tonsured her head to teach her a lesson.

The matter was informed to the district superintendent of police on Tuesday, with the parents of the girl filing a complaint seeking action against those who had tonsured their daughter`s head.

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Now obviously the good muslims who shaved the kufr loving girl`s hair were secular and moderate in their outlook. Otherwise they would have first of all systematically gang raped her for days and nights, and after wearing her out, cut off her tongue, chopped off her nose, mutilated her genitals, and finally behead her - with cries of `ALLAHU AKBAR` , translated as `Praise be to Allah the Merciful`.

And yeah - they would do worse to the kufr boy.