Islam and the Age of Globalization

What good Prof. Ahmad can do for the Muslim cause if he is the same person who wrote a book on Mr. Jinnah full of false, inaccurate and out of context accounts of Indian leadership so as to elevate Mr. Jinnah to someone who could do not wrong. His disdain for people like Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad who, if ever there was, exemplified the qualities of a true Muslim. It is also the same prof. who produced the movie Jinnah in response to Attenbourough`s Gandhi. Anybody who had seen the movie can easily identify Mr. Ahmad`s shallow attitude when he harps at length on Lady Mountbatten`s infatuation with Mr. Nehru. The movie could only be produces by someone who has inferiority complex but still wants to prove to the World the moral superiority of his cause, in this case of his mentor Mr. Jinnah.
If anybody wants to know about interaction in the Muslim World there are two excellent books by Sir V.S. Naipaul, which cover this issue. The books are: In the Land of the Believers and Beyond Belief.
Recent release of a book covering letters of Mr. Jinnah and Mr. Liaquat Ali show that when the Indian leadership of Gandhi, Nehru Azad and Patel had sacrificed all material comforts for the cause of freedom of the country, Mr. Jinnah was discussing the transaction of a parker pen and its cost with Liaquat Ali. I hope when he visits India he is confronted to explain and defend his views expressed in the book on Jinnah. By making Mr. Jinnah as something he wasn’t, Mr. Ahmad has managed to eclipse those qualities, which Mr. Jinnah did have. Mr. Wolpert has a better characterization of Mr. Jinnah. Mr. Ahmad is nothing but a shallow, self- serving, self- promoting ambassador of his own brand of Islam.

#256 by HP

[Finally, after a long time you said something of value…]

Ummah yaar HP, if you read that interact (#252) again, you will realize that `(I believe) he is referring to the difficulty of making Pakistanis see reason!

#252, #255 Chauhan

I knew that with a little bit of prodding, it will be easy enough to find out how successful that “rehabilitation” was.

The ``glow`` of the underlying metal will always shine, all it takes is a bit of scratching.

Best of luck to the mother of your child on her pregnancy!

HP Yaar, #256,
As hard as I try to make all of my people shine on Chowk, there are quite a few who are, frankly, simply embarrassing. I love Pakis, Biharis, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, even Paki Punjus. But some of my own people are beyond repair:

Nada Poison - Insists on writing in English and proves every claim by Gujju that Pakistan`s literacy rate is below single digit.

Atif2 - Makes all my points about Paki Punjus come true, including the unique factor of western Punjabis suffering from Pathan-injected homosexuality - along with niswar-laden lassi.

Ali1 - Spends an unusually lengthy amount of time researching Ayuvedic treatments for all kinds of maladies - especially HIV, STDs, and infections of the rectum. He behaves as a madman, desperate to find cures, any cures from any quarter, for his personal ailments. He is an embarrassment for all true momins and Pakis - giving so much airtime to foul-smelling Hindu medical expertise. I hope Pokerbhai gets him castrated for SHIRK.

The girl from Lahore - After telling every one to get fucked, this piece of delight from Hira Mandi finally took her own advice and got knocked up. Now, we are hearing rumors of a certain Sardarju returning from yatra with a smile from ear to ear.

#252 by Salim_Chauhan

“bjk, Please deal with your difficulty - you have my compassion.”

Salim,

Finally, after a long time you said something of value… I know how embarrassing this bj bihari must be for you…He is a blot on Bihar. I know you are trying hard to restore Bihar’s lost glory and he comes in with his lalo-sque comments to ruin it for you. Keep tabs on him. He is spongy.

hamidm2 #254 {``there is absolutely nothing wrong with self-promoting professors who love to sell books ........ everybody who thinks they can make a buck is writing a book ``}

Hamidm Sahib,
And here we are, you and I, giving away our words of wisdom for free. Doing God`s work is enriching, but not financially. :(

Re: # 250

salim mian,


there is absolutely nothing wrong with self-promoting professors who love to sell books ........... that`s what it all about ............scholarship has nothing to do with people who deal in the garbage of ``social sciences`` (aka humanities and liberal arts) like sociology, theology, philosophy, political science and basket weaving ........... the faculties of most major american universities (and community colleges) are full of charlatans like homi bhaba and our own m. asadi (even he has seven web sites trying to sell his 3-4 books) ..........

....... everybody who thinks they can make a buck is writing a book - ann coulter, paris hilton, al franken, bill maher, bill clinton, bill bennett, , pedophiles, guys on death row and jessica simpson (she wrote a book on how to achieve a dream wedding) .............

Re: # 191
Binaji,Binaji....Dheeraj maharajkumari, dheeraj
You say `none of this (money bit) I care to debate`...coz it is true innit?
Of course you cant debate or defend someone paying himself and his kith and kin out of a compaNY ACCOUNTS
yes IT WAS jinnah project ltd A COMPANY INTO WHICH INVESTORS BOUGHT SHARES TRUSTING HIM , they didnt give donations, those investors
But they got NOTHING, Zilch, Nishta, ZEro, while he and his family HAD TO HELP THEMSELVES TO LARGE SIX FIGURE SUMS, so no wonder the whole Pakistani upper class is cross with this clan, Karachiites mostly who invested
Binaji
He HAD TO PAY HIMSELF AND HIS LAZY SON AND SON IN LAW WHO DID NOTHING IN THE PROJECT while drawing full benefits of a SENIOR CIVIL SERVANT ON A SABATICAL LEAVE FOR 12 WHOLE YEARS, A RECORD IN civil service
And then you in your other pompous sounding namesake on chowk bemoan his `shabby treatment`?
SHABBY?
All the foreign office which u contemptuosly call lazy was to do is to report how he was helping himself as ambassador to the embassay funds to pay himself his old rejected `expenses` and treatment` bills, including plastic surgery,YES PLASTIC SURGURY BILL for himself, his sons NOSE JOB!! and what more to look more PR worthy!
We foreign office or other civil servants have nothing against outsiders taking plumb posts.

Now Maliha Lodhi is ambassador in the same post, her boozing/boyfriends/dubious PHD on life of BHUTTO is common knowledge, but my--she works hard at her job
AND LOOK AT HER NOSE, SHE HASNT HAD A NOSE JOB DONE, though she may benefit, SHE DOESNT HAVE HER FINGERS IN THE TILL OF THE EMBASSY
And just to check, are nt you his sons motherinlaw or some thing, well someone told me, please forgive me if I am wrong

Anything you wanna contradict, please

The next thing you ll have is a sledgehammer of the addresses of his properties in son/daughter/son-in-laws name in UK, acquired at the time funds went out of Jinnah kitty

And we hear how he went `nearly bankrupt` selling family jewels to complete Jinnah film!

Or consider yourself CHECK MATE

bjk #251 {``I find it difficult to believe. Nobody in his right mind who knows another person personally would use such choice superlatives (on the “con” side) on an open forum!
And what did he say about Kashmir? ``}

bjk,
Do I come across as someone who gives a rat`s ass about what people think about my opinions. I said I met him - that does`t translate into ``knowing him personally.`` Discussing Kashmir with Pakis is like discussing pedophilia with Catholic priests or terrorism with Al Kayda. You know the answers.

Please deal with your difficulty - you have my compassion.

#250 by Salim_Chauhan

[I have met Prof. Akbar Ahmed a couple of times]

I find it difficult to believe. Nobody in his right mind who knows another person personally would use such choice superlatives (on the “con” side) on an open forum!

Stop fibbing, now!

And what did he say about Kashmir? I notice its mention is conspicuous by its absence.

I have met Prof. Akbar Ahmed a couple of times. Here are my sincere observations:

PRO

Soft-spoken
Quite learned
Positive attitude
Patient
Understanding
Observant
A thorn in the side of extremist Wahabbis
Not associated with ISNA, ICNA, and CAIR
Projects ``better`` image of Muslims and Pakis - but ``better`` is relative


CON

Self-centered
Self-promoting
Loves to sell books
Needs money, more money, and more money
Glosses over important details
Has an excuse and explanation for everything
Too lovey dovey, kumbaya with inflluential westerners - especially Jewish ones
The whole family smells like upper-class Pakis
Gets boring after prolonged interaction

Re: # 240 or their academic credentials are untouchable in their field.....a good example would be the Hoodbhoy!

#246 apologies.....a line went missing from that....``thanks lillywhite`` for filling the blanks! You do have seriously good dope on you (T)

#243, bjk {``What has the Hindu/Sikh/Muslim/Pakistani/Punjabi and all those other qualifiers got to do with it?

We add qualifiers for the sake of accuracy in identification. Even the police use terms such as male caucasian, etc...

Does your (pregnant) wife know that you are spending so much time worrying over the travails of lonely Pakistani Punjabi ladies in distress?

Who said they were lonely? :)

More important, does your boss know?

My boss is my father-in-law. :)

ooops it was not #210 but #190 (bina_shah apprently replied to that!)

anyway here it is

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on June 22, 2006 5:34am PT
Re: # 189
the good olde professor has plenty of these tucked into his closet.....for example the question which needs to be answered is ``how did he get the Iqbal Chair in Cambridge? Who funded this chair? (my sources told me long time back that the money came from, the GoP and that there were a lot of promisory notes attached to this)?`` There is nothing in the grand olde man`s CV to suggest scholarly activities till 1988 (when he got the Iqbal Chair) other than being a ``political Agent in Pakistan`s NWFP``.

Life`s interesting. I read this article and sort of thought nothing much of it - till the authroress interacted citing the Olde Profesor`s integrity as being one which is untouchable (interact #10) which sort of intrigued me.

Apologies to Nasah and other readers for the digressions....

Re: # 242
BJK those in the UK know of his story. and those from OXBRIDGE know it inside out. For a long time, there were a lot of people in and around Cambridge who used to titter when they heard the appellation Professor! for they knew all about the Iqbal Chair.