Islam and the Age of Globalization

#197 Nasah

Ama yaar,

Ritalin to stimulant hota hai! Hai na?

Hum to seedhe saadhe insaan thahre – hame un sub cheejon se kya waasta?!

Unhe aur nashe ki kya jaroorat hai?

Jin per pehle se itna nasha hai.

Nashe mein hun lekin
Mujhe ye khabar hai
Ki is jindagee mein
Sabhi pee rahe hain!

Aur nasha kuchh kum bhi ho jaye

Aur nasha kitna bhee kum ho jaye

Phir bhi Nasah hai!

Freedom fighting and Islam in the Age of Globalization:
22 June 2006
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5106216.stm?headline=Dervish~devotees~hit~by~grenade

Dervish devotees hit by grenade
There have been a number of grenade attacks in Kashmir recently
A grenade explosion in Indian-administered Kashmir has killed two people and injured more than 12.

Police said that suspected militants threw the grenade at a crowd of devotees gathered near the house of a Muslim dervish in the town of Sopore.

The dervish has a huge following in the Kashmir valley but analysts say separatist militants do not approve of this form of Islamic worship.

Dervishes belong to an ascetic order, some of which perform whirling dances.


``The grenade exploded in the lawn of the house of Abdul Ahad. Ahad Sahib escaped unhurt,`` a police spokesman told the Reuters news agency.

No-one has claimed responsibility for the attack near Sopore town, 50 kms (30 miles) north of Srinagar, the summer capital of India`s Jammu and Kashmir state.

Correspondents say that Mr Sahab is considered the most popular dervish in Jammu and Kashmir, which is India`s only Muslim-majority state.

#196

[“Freedom” from what? Hindus?]
But wait, there aren’t any!

[Secularism?]
What secularism? All the Pakistan-funded outfits are anything but!

[And what is the end result of this “freedom” business business – a place just like the land of the pure?]

I think the end result is already there. Non-Muslims are out – fatwas are in!

Congratulations, my dear Pakistanis – you have already remade Kashmir!

In your own image, of course!

O what blessings does “freedom” bring!

Talk about endless justice!

Then why does one feel like endless punishment?

may I prescribe Ritalin for you bj....:)

#195 H₂

Ama mian,

“Freedom” from what?

Hindus?

Secularism?

Is somebody coming in and grabbing their leadership – and becoming their “Chief Executive”?

Is somebody coming in and grabbing their properties?

Their women – those Kashmir ki kalis (no reference to color!)?

Their places of worship?

Their beards (except in the case of the women)?

Their apples?

And what is the end result of this “freedom” business – a place just like the land of the pure?

Or another set of caves for OBL to hide in?

Re: # 192


bj,

........ now what exactly is wrong with freedom fighting ? ......... you could disagree with the methods, but surely you don`t disagree with the principle ?...... some would say that your half-naked idol was a `freedom-fighter` ..... no?

....... personally i know nothing about the good professor and his film venture, but i do commend him for his position on kashmir (if he ever had one) ........ as for making a quick buck, there is nothing wrong with it as long as it is not illegal - and if it is, then take him to court and prove it and if he is guilty throw him in jail ........... just because a man is a petty thief does not mean he is wrong on everything

Re: # 193
BJK, you are a master of subtle or not so subtle innuendos

#191 Bina the Shah

All right, Bina!

Finally, at long last – the sleeper awakes!

Hit one for the Prof., Bina!

Sock it to the meanies, Bina!

Give it to the dot!

And those who soak in Merlot!

So sock it to HP, whose memory appears not infallible, after all – I knew all those late night solitary binges of cheap wine were destined to do the dastardly damage to those deadcells!

But Bina, there is just ONE little matter that remains to be addressed!

Bina, why this sudden mum in response to the Prof.’s evocation of the Kashmiri killers – from a safe distance for himself, of course!!!

Say it dear, the evocation was not pro-terrorism – it was pro-“freedom-fighting”!

What’s the matter, dear – the “cat” got your tongue?!!! And is it chomping on it mightily?!

Aah, there is nothing like the taste of a chomped tongue!

good professor or no-good professor -- whether he embezzled or did not embezzle is beside the point -- it is diffficult to agree with Bina`s article -- that Islam needs REVIVAL -- not REFORMS --

of course Islam needs to build bridges with ALL religions not exclusively with Judaism and Christianity -- for which it will need to lighten itself from overblown sense of self importance and self aggrandizment and not overburden itself with revivalist redundant heavy historical baggage once again --

because that revival business has already been taken over by Mr. OBL and he has done a bloody good job of it

so one doesn`t know about the mercurial ornamental Oriental Islam -- but the unsettling Occidental Islam -- that we Western muslims and our children have to contend with -- badly needs modernization..... and definitely requires a rather sedate Western Makeover.

if the good professor is on an expensive hopefully audited tour with the three adopted kids and his entire family -- to profess this spurious counterfeit `revivalist` Islam -- in the post 9/11 turmoiled Western world -- then this `professor of Islam` -- this time is out and out to embezzle Islam .....itself.

Re: # 189

All of what`s been said here is stuff I`ve heard about before.

None of it is anything I care to debate.

I was around during the time of the Jinnah movie and I remember the scandals well.

The journalist who wanted a part in the movie was Imran Aslam, not Omar Qureshi.

At least get your facts straight before you post them!

I also read the script while it was being filmed.

I know what happened with the movie after it was sold to a company that was meant to distribute it in the united states, but didn`t.

I repeat that Professor Akbar Ahmed`s integrity and honesty is non-negotiable for me.

The rest of you may make your own judgments.

But did any of you actually go to the Beliefnet link I posted in my first reply and read anything about this project?

Or are you satisfied wtih recycling old material and debating Jinnah - as you do on every board?

The intellectual laziness of Chowk interactors continues to astound me.

Re: # 189
the good olde professor has plenty of these tucked into his closet.....for example the question which needs to be answered is ``how did he get the Iqbal Chair in Cambridge? Who funded this chair? (my sources told me long time back that the money came from, the GoP and that there were a lot of promisory notes attached to this)?`` There is nothing in the grand olde man`s CV to suggest scholarly activities till 1988 (when he got the Iqbal Chair) other than being a ``political Agent in Pakistan`s NWFP``.

Life`s interesting. I read this article and sort of thought nothing much of it - till the authroress interacted citing the Olde Profesor`s integrity as being one which is untouchable (interact #10) which sort of intrigued me.

Apologies to Nasah and other readers for the digressions....

Re: # 177
So the old ghosts are out once again to haunt our `Professor of Islam`......
`accused by Jamil Dehlavi, Jinnah`s producer, director and co-writer, of paying himself £50,000 ($95,000) for the script which Farrukh Dhondi wrote, and diverting £70,000 ($133,000) to an offshore account to pay his son and son-in-law for jobs they did not carry out`

His son bought a flat a London`s posh Regent`s Park (next to the famous Mosque, where else), and his son-in-law bought a nice little hostel in Earls Court area.

None of them had any gainful employment then.

But every little bit helps.

Hope the current sponsers of the great trip of 3 kids plus whole family of ye olde fake Professor of Islam are doing their audits right now.

Any comments Bina ji?

#186 by nasah

Ama yaar,

Let me get this straight.

(1) You believe that the Prof. sahib is the type whose hands are best kept at a safe distance from your pocket book.

(2) You would rather believe my dear Bina Shah (okay fair enough, at least she shows up here unlike that Irfan who?!)

(3) And Bina’s faith in the good ole Prof. is stronger that the Washington monument and stands tall and proud – come what may!

Wait a minute!

Yaar, you can’t have it both ways – that would leave you heading up the creek with no patwaar!

Since mian Manto appears to have bolted like those proverbial donkey horns (perhaps he was reclaimed by his rightful owner of that figurative donkey (no offense, Ms. Sarwari (please do not misinterpret the reference to “figure”))) – let me put on the hat of the devil’s advocate for a moment.

The Prof. sahib may have a few (okay, maybe quite a few) rattling skeletons neatly tucked away (maybe packed away (or compressed away)) in that closet. Theek hai, maan lijiye kee ye aabo-hawaa ka asar hai! But look at it from his point of view, too!

All that publicity!

Encounters with the Oprahs!

Handshakes with the Mushies!

Lecture invitations left and right!

Merlot flowing like a river! Wow!

Munney makes the world go round!

Not to mention a bunch of gora-goree grad students gulping and gorging up on good old garbage!

Hey, there is nothing which looks as beautiful as a Pakistani lady decked up in that shalwar-kameez!

With the possible exception of a goree decked up likewise.

And hey, a bird in hand maybe worth more than 72 in those bushes up there!

Aaiyey Aaiyey Professor Sahib,aaiyey,batheeyey...

Its good to know that you have taken-up the holy task of review/reconsideration/re-search of Islam. Before you publish your work, we can conclude (as many before you have done) that your final analysis will be that Muslims are indeed backward. And the reasons are :-

1. Because they are Muslims.
2. Because they believe in Allah.
3.Because they recite Koran.
4.Because they offer Namaz.
5.Because they keep Rozas.
6.Because they refuse to accept western values.
7.Because they crticise America.

And the remedy :-

1. They should stop calling themselves Muslims.
2. They should stop believing in Allah.
3. They should stop reciting Koran.
4. They should stop offering Namaz.
5. They should stop keeping Rozas.
6. They should accept western values.
7. They should sing hymns in praise of America.

Very Good.Very Good... Allah Tala apko kaamyabee dey

Re: # 177
dear nameless -- did you have to spoil this article for everybody by declaring the distinguished professor a counterfeit coin -- writing checks to himself of 50,000 pounds and then 70,000 pounds for his son-in-law -- now that is called a truly self-employed professor -- hiding under his better-half`s skirt to avoid the creditors....

Islam revival project`s financiers plus those three kids should be a lttle wary of the tourist professor after what the gentleman scholar did to Farrukh and Jamil on Jinnah project.

One only hopes the good professor is not `self-employed` again....

there goes all that good work on the revival of Islam -- as Ghalib would say about Professor Ahmed`s work: jiski bunyad hee meiN lug guee deemuk -- aisi building ka keya karay koee....

still I would rather believe Bina than Irfan Hussain.....

#180 by HP

Ama yaar, are you a part-time detective, or what?!!!

[Akber claimed that Omar Qureshi wanted to work in the movie.]

So, our very own Omar the Quraishi is a jilted movie star! That is barely a notch below a jilted woman in love!

And we all know what they can wreak!

Baap re baap!

Now HP, let’s see how good a detective you make. Who would have been Omar’s leading lady?

Nobody from around here, I suppose!