Lament of a Disillusioned Citizen

#67 by akpower on June 23, 2006 10:29am PT


from site to site and forum to forum to bash Pakistan or Pakistanis


That`s right...People who ``bash`` Pakiland by posting news articles are why the world looks at Pakis as terrorists...
If weren`t for these ``bashing`` Indians, Pakis wouldn`t be singled out for ``special`` treatment when they landed at western airports..a whole bunch of pakis, from california to virginia to maryland to georgia to canada to the UK to australia, wouln`t be busted for terrorism...


the power of Indians to influence reality by posting on a web message board continues to amaze me...

#67 akpower {``Mr. Nehru had intimate relations with Lord Mountbatten``}

Sir Power,
I don`t want to butt in during your public discourse with bjk, a fine Indian friend of Chowk. Nevertheless, I must come to the defense of the late Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru, formerly of Allahabad and Kashmir. Mr. Nehru, while proven to have banged Edwina Mountbatten, among many others, never had any intimate relations with Lord Louis - other than sharing a Cuban with the King`s cousin now and then. This is OK because the cigar smoking preceded Bill Clinton and Monica Lewnisky by at least half a century. On the other hand, the intimate meeting between Lord Louis and Hazrat Janab Mohtaram Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah Sahib Rahmatullahalaih must have been quite interesting. How can one explain an otherwise brilliant yet elderly man agreeing to the ``bag of goods,`` the proverbial ``Brooklyn Bridge,`` that Mountbatten sold him and he called a ``moth-eaten Pakistan?``

Re: # 52

BJK, I feel I know you. Are you not one of those pathetic indians that go from site to site and forum to forum to bash Pakistan or Pakistanis?? Yeah i think i guessed it right, your one of those pathetic, lifeless and misrebale individuals who have still come to terms with the India/Pakistan divide 59 yrs ago. Or maybe it is the fact that Ur Mahatmi Gandhi was considered toothless and a liar by some of your own people?? Or could it be that another one of your leaders Mr. Nehru had intimate relations with Lord Mountbatten. I`m not sure what it is, bu the frustrations truly run deep!

It eats you from within and I truly hope someday it drives you insane. There are quite a few of you here on Chowk who will poison every sensible discussion. I would never care to reply to jerks like you, but I felt enough was enough and I had to do just this one time!

Hamidm2 #51 {``salim mian,
.......... i think you are being totally ridiculous about this punjabi thing .... heck most punjabis don`t even speak punjabi once they get an eighth grade education .......... it is a dying breed and nobody seems to care ......``}

Hamidm Sahib,
Will they hurry it up, please?

Seriously, if nobody cares, the message did not get through to Mullah Tahmed4, Ali1, and Atif2 - all numerically-suffixed Paki Punjus gloating over their racist, prejudiced, and shameless bigotry while proclaiming superiority of Punjuhood.

hshahbaz #61

Shahbaz Sahib,
Thank you for your decent and sincere post. In principle, I agree with your desire to have a democratic Pakistan. How we get there is the issue. As far as Mushy is concerned, I am under no delusions concerning his sense of morality or justice. After all, he is a product of the Paki Army - an institution that has never won a war outside its borders and has lost one or two within. I prefer Mushy over the Sindhi/Punju ``democratic`` politicians for the simple fact that, being a Mohajir, somehow restrains him from committing the blatant massacres perpetrated by his predecessors. It`s akin to the Jewish overseers at Nazi concentration camps - they were slightly less cruel than the real animals.

As I mentioned before, democracy is the solution - provided that the prerequisites be in place for its permanence and effectiveness. I had stated some suggestions (dividing up the four provinces into 12 or more, English as official national language, secular state, repeal of anti-Ahmadi nonsense, and repatriation of ``stranded`` Pakis from BD). Thanks for listening.

Contray to common Punju propaganda on Chowk, I am neither Ahmadi nor Bihari and do not have any relatives or friends in these communities. My passion for their suffering is based solely on morality, decency, and the fact that the same could happen to people like me.

Sanatani #62, {````Paki Mohajir general`` is like Holy Roman Empire not Holy, not at all Roman much less an Empire. ``}

Sanatani,
That is funny LOL. Thank you for suggesting some excellent names for my use. I kind of like the Saligram one - before I change, what does it mean?

By the way, is your name ``sanatani`` somehow pertaining to ``Suntan?`` Jai Shree Ram, Khuda aap ko khush rakhey, mere bhai. Allah Ishwar ek hi naam - I mean it.

His Excellency #45 {``If Punjabis support repatriation, Sindhis will hate them for imposing their will and turning Sindhis into a minority in their own province. If Punjabis don`t support repatriation, some Mohajirs will hate them for not letting them increase their votebank.

Punjabis will get the flak either way. But opposing repatriation with draw less flak because there are more Sindhis than Mohajirs :)``}

#47 {``So repatriation of 1 million Biharis is more important than providing jobs to 35 million Sindhis? I thought you were a logical person.
...Until then, why don`t you think about convincing the Sindhis and Khatam-e-Rasaalat Committee to soften its position on repatriation and Anti-Ahmediyya laws??``}

Your Excellency,
Thank you for answering my long-suffering question. You are the first Paki Punjabi to provide a real answer - I appreciate your decency and honesty in this matter. Also, thank you for putting the response in such clear metrics. I am pleased to note that Paki Punjus can count and also tell wind direction. As long as morality, decency, legality, and the right thing to do are expressed in numbers, let me indulge in some numerology myself:

There are 15 million Mohajirs. Although they have the highest literacy rate in Pakistan and they account for a large chunk of the GDP, they will never equal in numbers the population of Sindhis - thanks to the latter`s productive use of polygamy. Repatriation of 300,000 ``stranded`` Urdu-speaking Muslim Pakis from BD will not alter that balance. Yes, there are now only approximately 300,000 stranded Pakis there, instead of the 1 million you stated. Perhaps the embarrassingly high infant mortality rate among Sindhis may undo what you guys want to avoid. Maybe your emphasis is on the wrong approach.

Many Mohajirs don`t give a damn about Kashmir. Why would we want to add another 5 million or so to the numbers of our tormentors and create another group of ``sons of the soil - pisser-e-zameen?`` Also, if miraculously (over Arjun`s dead body), if Kashmir ever did become part of Pakistan, the Muslims of India, many of them being the Mohajirs` relatives, would have to pay the price with riots, massacres, rapes, looting, and arson. Please be logical. Is the facade of independence for 5 million Kashmiri Muslims worth the lives and safety of 115 million plus Indian Muslims? It`s a game of numbers, isn`t it?

Considering how much attention Paki Punjus pay to numbers, where was their sense of counting when they alienated 75 million Bengali Pakis in 1971? Also, why did Maha Punju dictator, Zia-ul-Haq, admit 3 million Afghan refugees that destroyed the fabric of a nation of 130 million? Somehow, I think that the Paki Punju sense of numerology and logic is quite subjective and not all that metric as you would have us believe. Thanks for your honesty, anyway.

As for requesting extremists to soften their views, why don`t you request Al Kayda and the Tally Ban if they would consider softening their views (and actions)?

Re: # 26

Saligram er sorry, Shatrughan er sorry, Shankar er sorry, Sahejendra er sorry, Salim Chauhan writes ``Gen. Aslam Baig, a Paki Mohajir general``.

``Paki Mohajir general`` is like Holy Roman Empire not Holy, not at all Roman much less an Empire.

Regards
Sanatani

Shailendra Singh Chauhan Ghar Vapsi Kariye. Jai Shree Ram

Mr. Salim Chauhan, why don`t you understand that if a person supports democracy that does not mean in anyway that he necessarily supports any of the existing parties. I am not trying to prove that NS and BB were saints or something, i am saying that the only way democracy can be improved is by democracy only. Is it not true that Musharraf will readily team up with any of the two if they agree to his terms. Is it also not true that Musharraf is working with the same corrupt politicians who solidified Nawaz`s rule. Why is it that only Nawaz gets the blame. Each and every supporter of mushy is the same who vehemently supported Nawaz`s curroption. Plus, how much is Musharraf doing about the Biharis??? nothing as far as i know. Probably even you would be abusing him tommorow if MQM goes out of the govt. and riots become abundant in khi once again because mushy is not going to give a rat`s ass for the karachites as long as he is in power.

With these comments i should make clear that i in no way support khi bashing, it is only that throught the true establishment of democracy can we achieve the aims u outlined. and not by partial democracy which only runs for a few years and then a general comes in again donning a saviour`s suit. democracy should be given a chance!!!!!

#59
[On a side note, Art Buchwald has been in a hospice for some time and may conk out soon. Your dialogues appear largely influenced by his style. How about your taking over .. i.e. if you have a longer shelf-life ...:) ]

Ama yaar, for old H₂ to seamlessly step into those shoes - the name would have to be
Art Buck-waas.

#51 by hamidm2

.......... it is a dying breed and nobody seems to care ......

It`s a real shame. It appears Punjabis only switched to Urdu post-partition in a desire for an identity seperate and distinct from their East Punjab counterpart, as well as Urdu being the national language and all that necessary to compete in services etc..

Is there any other reason?

On a side note, Art Buchwald has been in a hospice for some time and may conk out soon. Your dialogues appear largely influenced by his style. How about your taking over .. i.e. if you have a longer shelf-life ...:)

#57 by majumdar

Kalam can`t be a momin, he has to start carpet bombing Waziristan and Wana at the behest of the Americans before he can call himself a momin.

Any Muslim who doesn`t act in accordance with Paki perceptions of a given situation (however far from reality it be), he isn`t a Momeen.

Harishbhai/HE sahib

(Either he isn`t a momin... or he doesn`t like to pray for the Kashmiris and Gujrati Muslims who are suffering because of his country`s army or the party that made him President. )

Kalam can`t be a momin, he has to start carpet bombing Waziristan and Wana at the behest of the Americans before he can call himself a momin.

Regards

#55 by harish_hyd

Amanullah Khan of the JKLF was refused to contest elections because he refused to sign this undertaking.

should read:

Amanullah Khan of the JKLF was not allowed to contest elections because he refused to sign this undertaking.

#46 by HisExcellency

New Delhi installed puppet govts in Kashmir from day one... and crushed even political demands with military force.

So tell us why are the ``non-puppet`` candidates in Azad Kashmir required to swear allegiance to Pakistan by signing an undertaking in the nomination form which states that he/she whole-heartedly supports the accession of J&K to Pakistan? Amanullah Khan of the JKLF was refused to contest elections because he refused to sign this undertaking.

#38 by HisExcellency

Either he isn`t a momin... or he doesn`t like to pray for the Kashmiris and Gujrati Muslims who are suffering because of his country`s army or the party that made him President.

Your knowledge of India`s polity is as good as your knowledge of anything else, which is pathetic. The BJP didn`t elect the President. It only proposed his name. It is upto the electoral college which comprises of state legislature members and the Parliament that elects him. Usually, Presidents are elected unanimously and in the case of Abdul Kalam, it was overwhelmingly unanimous. Kalam is the slap in the Paki face. A Muslim who spearheaded India`s missile development program and a Muslim President when all along, Pakis were taught that Hindus discriminated against Muslims.

Again, going by your logic, if the Indian Army oppresses Kashmiris, why didn`t it do that before 1989 when Pakistan started training and arming terrorists? And why is there such a huge turnout of voters (sometimes it exceeds that of other states in India) whenever there is an election. Mind you, these elections are not the referendum-type when Mushy declared he had 97% endorsement. There were international observers deployed throughout the state.

And Gujarati Muslims are suffering because of the Indian Army? There you go again displaying your utter lack of knowledge. The Gujarat riots started to abate only after the Army took over from the local police. Sometimes it pays to read neutral newspapers.